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Jackie Chan in it is the fucking best of the best.

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Speaker 2 Yes, yes. I think it's the end of the first one, Is it when he's hanging on that ledge? Well, on this ledge, he's hanging on this fat fucking piece of scaffolding, which he's like, he's got his all arms around it and he's about to drop. And then Chris Tucker's got to, like, run this massive, like, yeah.

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Speaker 1 Yeah, this big old billowing curtain.

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Speaker 2 Yeah, this big fat curtain, he's got a London capture that's fucking phenomenal. There's moments like that where you just like, this is the end of the film. Obviously it's a comedy. Dave bonded close as a friend, like a buddy cop duo. They bonded, but he's still cracking jokes while he's about to fall to his death.

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It's like, Nah, I think I'll just hold it here for a bit. Nah, I'm joking. I'm joking.

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Speaker 1 I'm joking, I'm joking. Give me that.

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Speaker 2 Permanently rewired my brain chemistry. Not a day goes by when I'm not thinking about that you should leave. And it's not even because because I'm thinking about it, I'll say something and because of why something's happened, I'll say it.

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Tim Robinson would have said it in a in a way that he does it. And then I'll just think of him saying it like that. Like I'll I'll say what the hell on a daily basis, like. But nowadays it always comes out with a what the hell?

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What the hell? You sure do that. What a guy. On a daily basis I don't even know what the bits from.

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Speaker 1 I think he does it quite a bit, but he's his facial expressions as well with it in it.

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Speaker 2 Yeah, well, this was a tiny knife.

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Speaker 1 I thought that was a little man.

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Speaker 2 Oh I just need more content. Do another series or at least friendship in this Contra. That's something I look for daily as well. Release date UK Nothing.

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Speaker 1 But anyway, welcome to another sort of chapter in the cube. I am Jack.

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Speaker 2 And I'm looking up Simpson quotes for the end of the episode.

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2:31 Speaker 1 I have mine locked in. 2:32 Speaker 2 I always think I have I've. 2:35 Speaker 1 Been thinking about it daily, right? This specific one I've been thinking about it for like a week. 2:40 Speaker 2 Mine has been locked in for about two days, but I just need to Google it to make sure I get the quote right because sometimes I we all misquote things. There we go. Yeah, Yeah, I would have missed out that word. I. 2:54 Speaker 1 Would have missed it that one word. 2:55 Speaker 2 Yeah, I would have done, but yeah. 2:58 Speaker 1 So what we're probably going to be talking about today, or maybe I don't know how long we're going to be talking about it for, we might go off on. 3:04 Speaker 2 1000 Tangents. 3:05 Speaker 1 Humble amount of tangents, yeah, but why? 3:09 Speaker 2 Not we might. This might be the only quick and concise episode where we get in. 3:13 Speaker 1 Wrap it in less than an hour. 3:15 Speaker 2 Do a review, say our final thoughts, Simpsons quotes and piss off Springer. Yeah, no, if it was like like a rush hour style final thought so it'd just be me and you bring an absolute baddies in at the end of the episode. 3:30 Hey guys, I bet you wish this was an audio visual. 3:34 Speaker 1 Media. Yeah, I bet you wish could hear this. 3:40 Speaker 2 Wet macaroni noises. These are our final thoughts. Oh. 3:46 Speaker 1 My God. Anyway, we're going to be talking about something that was released yesterday. 3:51 Initial Impressions and Canon Status of Killer of Killers Yesterday Cube Time. 3:53 Speaker 2 As of as of cube time recording this cube and. 3:56 Speaker 1 The Lord of our Cube, it was it was released yesterday, but it's it's called Killer of Killers. 4:02 Speaker 2 Is it credit to killer of killers or is it just killer of killers? 4:06 Speaker 1 Oh, do you know? I'm not sure. I think it is just killer of killers. 4:08 Speaker 2 Just like prey was just prey. 4:10 Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so. 4:11 Speaker 2 Same director? Yeah, it's called Predator Killer Killers. 4:15 Speaker 1 We talked about Predator, killer of killers. I made a few notes. 4:18 Speaker 2 Made a few notes before you get into your notes. Yeah, overall good. Bad out of 10. 4:24 Speaker 1 Oh, I mean, I was, I was going to wait for the. 4:27 Speaker 2 The wrap up. 4:28 Speaker 1 Yeah, for the wrap up for that. 4:29 Speaker 2 I imagine the listeners would be able to tell if you like it or not going through, you know, where you get absolutely gush over and that shit. All right, Well, it is. I'll tell you. As of Cube, Time is the highest rated Predator film out of all the franchise. 4:46 Speaker 1 Last thing on my notes says All in all good. Watch 8 out of 10. 4:50 Speaker 2 Could have saved it for the end. 4:51 Speaker 1 Well, this is what you wanted. 4:54 Speaker 2 It is what I wanted 8 out of 10. Yeah, I'll, I'll raise it to an 8.5. 4:59 Speaker 1 Probably gambling I. 5:01 Speaker 2 Just want to be. I just want to be .5 better than you. 5:04 Speaker 1 The first note I've made is talking is time wasting bullshit Only action for the first half of the movie. 5:10 Speaker 2 Yeah, there was only really one character that spoke a lot, and I think he was the weakest character. 5:15 Speaker 1 Yeah, which is why it's an 8 out of 10. Yeah, I'm not higher. 5:18 Speaker 2 The third or the last part of the film genuinely surprised me. Yeah, the way that. 5:25 Speaker 1 I thought I. 5:25 Speaker 2 Thought it might go there. 5:28 Speaker 1 I thought that the whole movie was quite, I think it was telegraphed tube well. 5:33 Speaker 2 Yeah. 5:34 Speaker 1 I felt like I could guess what was going to happen and what I'd guessed, yeah, like usually was like. 5:39 Speaker 2 After the end of the first section, I kind of knew what was going to happen going forward. I don't expect that because I thought we were getting an it was sold to us, the viewer, as an anthology, as three separate stories of the predator, the A predator fighting people in different eras of time. 5:58 Speaker 1 Which is why I'd said to you, oh, I thought you thought it was a sodic thing. Yeah, it was like a multi part series type thing. 6:05 Speaker 2 Which would have been cool, yeah. Yeah. But I don't think I would have liked a full episode on that last one. 6:10 Speaker 1 I mean, it was a roundabout the size of an episode anyway, so. 6:14 Speaker 2 Yeah, they're about, yeah. If you say it was like each one was like, what, 20-30 minutes? Yeah. And then you had the final. 6:19 Speaker 1 20 minutes each and then the last bit was sort of a final act type thing with it, but the first part, the shield. 6:28 Speaker 2 Or the shield three parts on there. 6:31 Speaker 1 Well, there was 3 bits. 6:33 Speaker 2 I just want to sell all the three parts now. Three parts, shield, sword and bullet. Predator versus Viking samurai and a Mexican. Was it World War One or World War Two? 6:49 World War 22? It was a World War 2 dogfighting episode. 6:55 Speaker 1 I honestly thought, are they going to blame predators on Pearl Harbor? Is that where this is going? 7:02 Speaker 2 We'll talk about it. All these are Canon to the Predator world, right? Yeah. This is Canon to the films. The only films that aren't Canon are Alien versus Predator 1 and 2. They're their own thing. It's whatever. They probably are going to set that up again because the Predator Badlands also by the same director coming out this end of this year theatrical release, that one that has a lot of whaling you tiny shit in it. 7:24 So there's also xenomorph schools in there. So chances are that's going to be they're going to do a proper Alien versus Predator again, but a kind of 1. 7:32 Analyzing the Viking Predator and God of War Influences Before we get into the three of them separately, which one was your favorite of the three? It's between Viking and samurai in it. Yeah, I would go with them. Sword for me. 7:43 Speaker 1 Then I'll go shield. 7:44 Speaker 2 Start with Shield for you notes. 7:47 Speaker 1 Oh, I made like a couple notes. 7:49 Speaker 2 First note Wood, that Viking warrior. Oh yeah, I just got to do it. Maybe doing it Tim Robinson, but I just something like Macho Man. 8:07 Speaker 1 So my first note is the best offence is a good defence, Yeah, you know, because she's dual wielding Shields. 8:16 Speaker 2 Broken Shields. 8:17 Speaker 1 Yeah, like sort of serrated on the edge and she's just punching people's heads off and slashing honestly with Shields. 8:24 Speaker 2 They were suspended disbelief. Those Shields were too sharp. They were doing a lot of like, clean, perfect cuts. 8:32 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, but I mean those the rim of the shield was metal and it was sharpened and that. 8:38 Speaker 2 It. 8:38 Speaker 1 Wasn't just wood. 8:40 Speaker 2 Was it? No, it wasn't just wood. I know I had a metal rim, but I wouldn't know if obviously it has to be sharpened because of what they're doing, but it didn't really show that it was sharp. It still looked like a just amount of Rome thing. 8:50 Speaker 1 Like so for this to make sense to you, you have to be spoon fed showing you. 8:55 Speaker 2 No, no, the her sharpening it. No, no, no, I don't need to. 8:58 Speaker 1 That's the deal. Just. 8:59 Speaker 2 Show me like a slight angle or something. I like a close up shy where it looks like a blades edge. It never look like a blades edge. 9:06 Speaker 1 I think that the implication is fine is does it's job perfectly. 9:11 Speaker 2 She may as well not have like, she may as well have just had two round swords. 9:16 Speaker 1 And told what do you what do you mean? 9:17 Speaker 2 Round swords, the way she was chopping and slicing things. 9:21 Speaker 1 What are you fucking sky there PC? 9:25 Speaker 2 Where are they from? Daggerfall. Hammerfall. Hammerfall. Oh my Lord, we have curved swords. So, so, so they go all the way back round to the hill and they have at least wooden centre, can just hold them from the centre. 9:42 Oh. 9:42 Speaker 1 My God, we are very minimal talking, only enough for you to be like, all right, so this is what they're doing then? Yeah. It was clear as concise. You got a feel of who the others people and it was very snappy, very quick, very. 9:58 Let's just show the blood now, you know, I mean. Oh yeah, because talking is bullshit and it wastes time. 10:03 Speaker 2 That's I can't read his last name, Dan Trachtenberg. Can I see him right to you? Dan Trachtenberg, directed by contract. But he's the guy. He's essentially he's done a he's done a Predator trilogy in in like 2 years. 10:19 But yeah, minimal talking, which I enjoyed. I knew what the story was straight away. You know, I'll kill this man. Have you rite a passage? Cool. I don't want to do it. I've got a spear. Oh, I'm scared of my little boy. I never told you about my granddad also, right. 10:35 These old Vikings, will they speak in Old Norse or will they speak in English? Because they had some English words and they said something where she was talking English to her son at some point. But in the third part she was speaking pure or Old Norse as it said, yeah. 10:50 So could she understand any English? Or because they never made the samurai guys and turned English at all? 10:57 Speaker 1 Yeah, I sort of got it as just to give the viewer a break from reading for a little bit. Type thing maybe. Yeah, but I mean, Old Norse and Old English is incredibly similar anyway. Fair enough. And a lot of the words that we use now in English are just Norse words anyway. 11:16 Speaker 2 Yeah, that's true. I thought the story was going to go this way. So do you know how they were going to kill this guy? And it was set out for the kid to kill him. And then this kid was all like, oh, if you kill me, you'll never get into Valhalla. You know, whatever, I'm going to see you in the fucking gates of hell if you, you know, fucking slaughter me right now. 11:33 And then the mum just and then he gets spooked and then the mum kills him. I thought what was going to happen when he saw the predator, he was immediately going to think, oh, is this guy reincarnated as a demon or something like that? 11:48 But they didn't go that way. But. 11:50 Speaker 1 No, they this is something I also made a note of because I thought that's a great touch, is that they refer to it as the Grendel. 11:59 Speaker 2 Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool as well. 12:01 Speaker 1 Really fucking good. The Grendel as well because I thought I know a little bit about it anyway, but I'll have a little brush up prior to the cube, you know? Nice. The Grendel is also known as the Shadow Walker, which I thought was an apartment name. 12:16 Speaker 2 Oh, that's really fucking cool. Yeah, that's really fucking cool. What do you think of the It's not about what happened in the first two stories. It was very similar. Where like the God? What the fuck is the species called? Yamcha. Yamcha. Yamcha. 12:31 Yeah, yeah. 12:33 Speaker 1 It's spelled YAUTJA. 12:35 Speaker 2 We'll call it the Prada. 12:37 Speaker 1 It's easier. 12:37 Speaker 2 Yeah, it is easier than a butcher and Yamcha or Yaucha or Yamchi. Makes him so cute though he was. I get it because it's what the predator do, what the predator do. That's what Big Pete do. It's it's not P Diddy also a predator. 13:00 It's a different kind. Yeah. He was sort of like hanging back. He obviously been following these group of warriors, you know, watching who's the strongest. Which one can I go after as is the predator does you know, they go, oh, I'm going to try and kill that thing. 13:16 Oh, but that thing just killed that thing. So now I'm going to kill that thing. He does all a very wait and see attitude about it. I think he should have just got in a bit quicker, but it's like he was right to target the the Shield Maiden, Valkyrie Queen or whatever she was called. 13:33 Speaker 1 Yeah, but yeah, the Valkyrie of the Northern Seas. 13:37 Speaker 2 I don't know if you know this, but the director, Dan Trachtenberg, yeah, when he was making Prey, he said he was very influenced by God of War, especially the Norse God of War ones, because he did recently play them. 13:53 So much so that there's a bit in Prey where the predator's shield comes from his wrist and it extends to a big shield and then I think he decapitates someone with it and use like that straight up from God of War. And I was sort of, I was sort of noticing the God of War influences in this, I guess why only because one knows whatever. 2 A lot of the shield kills are similar. 14:18 And I think one of the one that was obviously it wasn't obviously Kurtis doesn't do wheeled Shields, that'd be silly. But there's a bit when the big gates open and she stood there with both the Shields and her army kind of looks similar to the God of War 2 boxer when he's dead centre and he's like kind of in silhouette, but you just kind of see the blades of Chaos as well. 14:37 It's very similar to that. And I think the way she fights was very similar to like Kurtis with his blades, because if he's not like throwing him about, you just hold him in his hands, which is very similar to how she's moving. So I think I do think there was some God of War influences in there because the director is a video game guy. 14:57 A Deep Dive into Color Perception and Human Vision I'd also thought on it. It's just samurai shit I guess. But I also saw those some Ghosts of Sushima references just visually only because of the yellow forest. I'm sure there's lots of yellow forests in Japan, but it looked very similar to the golden forest in especially the leaves that are fallen and stuff. 15:19 So I just thought it was pretty cool. I'm like, I there's no way that there's not a connection though. Maybe not with the ghost of Shashima one, but the God of War stuff. I think that's only because of what he said in Prey, you know, when he was making that. Yeah, I imagine. And he said he wanted to do a predator versus great horse. 15:35 Again, objectively really fucking cool idea, but obviously can't do that. Well, what did you think of the the reveal? The Predator. The big boy, because he was a Hulk. 15:44 Speaker 1 Oh, he was a he was a big. 15:47 Speaker 2 Laughing. He was a Billy Big Boy. His Canon name Billy Big Boy one hand. What do you think about a weird weapon? I didn't realise, I didn't really fully know. Is it just a sound cannon? Is it like a concussive force thing? 16:03 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's, it's like a Sonic boom, like. 16:07 Speaker 2 Sonic Boom. 16:08 Speaker 1 Punch inside. 16:10 Speaker 2 I'll punch it, but I'm staying over here. 16:12 Speaker 1 Operators type thing. 16:14 Speaker 2 Yeah. 16:15 Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't mind it. I would have. I think I probably would have preferred because each it it does feel like each predator goes after prey, I guess that have the same or similar fighting style to them. Yeah. Which is why the big hulking guy had the Vikings. 16:32 Yeah, why the? 16:33 Speaker 2 He was a bit sleeker and slender. 16:35 Speaker 1 The most, Yeah. Like the thinner mall caught. Yeah, cool. He's super cool. Yeah. Lean. Cool. Yeah, Lean. Very much. Much more of a swordplay type. 16:51 Speaker 2 And the fire power was just a fucking I wrote yeah, just a guy, that plane just a guy Crane, but. 16:57 Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I would have liked it more if that put it to had like a Warhammer or something. 17:05 Speaker 2 Yeah, rather than a ghost hammer. 17:08 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I guess. 17:10 Speaker 2 Did he I did he have? No, I was a samurai guy. Did he have any other things other than his big obviously had his brute strength? 17:17 Speaker 1 No, he just had the Sonic punch. 17:19 Speaker 2 Which feels like it was awkward because I think you have to like, reload it to place do a little dappity doom. Yeah. Something that was surprising in this because obviously there was the party of Vikings. They were seeking revenge. I was thinking if this guy's even alive, God he's got to be fucking old because he was old when she made him kill her dad and she's old, no? 17:41 Speaker 1 Yeah, so he would have been like in his 30s, maybe 40 when he. 17:45 Speaker 2 I think he should have been a lot older and a lot more decrepit. And I was like, there's no fucking way he did drop. It's a trope at this point. But he did drop an M Bison sort of line when he was all like, for me, it was a Tuesday. 18:02 But you took everything from me. Who? Who are you? Which obviously pissed her off and she was getting visually upset, but then her son stepped up and decapitated him with a spear end, which I thought was a bit. Would have been better if you know, use the spear as it is. 18:19 Speaker 1 Well, yeah, but a good swing with this spear. 18:21 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, I know. I think you're giving her a bit like more credit for what it is because you're fucking more Vikings, but you're not. It's not an accent is it? It's a spear tip. You're not getting through someones neck. 18:34 Speaker 1 The end of the spear, essentially, it's like a 12 inch blade in there, yeah. 18:38 Speaker 2 Yes. 18:40 Speaker 1 It isn't this big it it's not ten mil, is it you? 18:45 Speaker 2 Know what I mean? 18:46 Speaker 1 But it's it's like having almost a short sword of the end of a fucking long stay a. 18:52 Speaker 2 Sort of aspect to capitate with someone because it's so like I know they do it in films a short time. You need like a full on axe to do something like that, which which they are Vikings and they should have access to axes. They have access. 19:04 Speaker 1 I would think that again, the sharpness is implied and also the amount of momentous force that you can do with something that's like, we've talked about this kind of stuff before. Me just moving my wrist and then me moving my arm generates a lot more force. 19:21 So that's like, that's a dagger, but that's a spear, isn't it? 19:24 Speaker 2 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. 19:26 Speaker 1 Why are you not convinced by this? 19:27 Speaker 2 I just don't think you could decapitate a guy with a spear. You can start a guy through not clean cut limbs. I don't think you could clean cut limbs off with a sharpened shield. 19:37 Speaker 1 I think you're poo pooing it unnecessarily. 19:39 Speaker 2 I am, I'm being very, very nitpicky, cool as fuck visuals and I don't mind it, you know? 19:45 Speaker 1 Pipe down. 19:48 Speaker 2 Well, this is how these dynamic works. I have to. I can't imagine. Do you see that a bit? Yeah, that was cool. What about this? Oh yeah, agree. This shit dynamic isn't it? 20:01 Speaker 1 Well, this. 20:06 Speaker 2 This is the role of the. 20:08 Speaker 1 This is the issue because both of us think that this, this thing's fucking brave. 20:12 Speaker 2 Right. We're very similar sometimes, and I feel like we can't ever do the whole play absolute fucking dumb thing because I feel we think that's disingenuous to our character. 20:28 Yeah, I'm not gonna be like, did you know blue's not actually blue? And then you're not gonna go. What? It's actually a cyan green, scientists have discovered, but it looks blue now. That's what they want you to think. Oh, shit. 20:44 You open my eyes. 20:45 Speaker 1 Speaking of colours, right, I'll tell you what, it pisses me off. Like genuinely pisses me. 20:50 Speaker 2 Off Are we all still on by Preda? No, I hope we're not on about people treading a fine line bar. 20:56 Speaker 1 In the olden days, like hundreds of years ago, I. 20:59 Speaker 2 Hope you're not on about people. 21:04 Speaker 1 The one point in our history of language, there wasn't name, there wasn't words for things right, like the colour blue. So because, right, because up until a certain point we didn't have a word for the colour blue, which you see, right, People get it in the fucking head that maybe the sky wasn't always blue. 21:26 Speaker 2 Insane. 21:27 Speaker 1 Yeah, that really pisses me off and it really fucking makes me angry when people fight that argument like, Oh yeah, maybe it wasn't then, but because, because who's to say? Because no one had a word for it. It could have been anything, could have been, could have been black all the time. It could have been black. Or maybe it was like a sort of a purpley like like a red also. 21:44 Speaker 2 I have never heard this. I have never heard this. I don't know what sort of tools of the Internet you're fucking on, but I'd be so angry and and get yourself out of those corners of the Internet. I know the fact that there's certain tribes and stuff that only have like word for like 4 or five colours because it's the only colours that they see, you know, like greens, Browns, like Reds and whatnot. 22:09 When introduced a new colour that they've never seen like in their entire life before, or like a, a purple or something like that, they will say it's a shade or they will see it as a shade of a colour that they are familiar with or something like that. 22:26 I, I'm, I'm butchering the experiment or the, the, the description of it, but it's like say if they only know like 4 colours like red, green, blue, brown, right? You show them like a purple or something, they'll say it's like, they'll say it's like a shade of one of those colours because that's the only thing they can differentiate in their vocabulary and that's the only colours they've seen. 22:46 Speaker 1 Yeah, but that doesn't mean that they don't know that that that is purple. They just have a different word for it. I did just say like, oh, it's, it's like a shade of blue. 22:55 Speaker 2 But I think. 22:56 Speaker 1 Like a deep blue type thing. They wouldn't see it as blue. I can't. 23:01 Speaker 2 Remember what the actual experiment was, but I always tie it with some. 23:04 Speaker 1 I have heard that before and it was and it was advertised to me as they see it as red when it's actually purple. Yeah. And that made me fucking angry as well, because that's, that's like saying right, there's someone as as you thought. 23:18 Speaker 2 We were going to get sidetracked, you're correct. 23:22 Speaker 1 Because that's like saying that someone has survived on like, bread and corn and peas, right? Yeah, right. And then if they eat cheese for the first time as like a 30 year old person. 23:35 Speaker 2 Tastes like bread. 23:36 Speaker 1 They're not not going to taste cheese, are they? Right. 23:39 Speaker 2 You are correct, but I'll tell you something. You can't taste corns and corns like for them tastes. 23:44 Speaker 1 It's like say if they've never seen a knife before, if you stab them they will not die will they? Such bullshit. 23:54 Speaker 2 What you rubbing with this sponge fob? 23:56 Speaker 1 That person is gonna see The Color Purple, that person is gonna have a taste explosion in his fucking mouth, and this guy is gonna fucking die because that's how the body works. 24:05 Speaker 2 I do generally think you can call me bullshit on this and whatnot. I do generally think people who study color theory and people who are like into their design and fashion and like changing rooms bullshit, whatever. 24:21 I generally believe they can see more colors than what I can see. 24:25 Speaker 1 I think that they're used to differentiating shades, but that doesn't. 24:28 Speaker 2 Mean they can see more like my mom, they've shown me like she painted a wall and she's like, which two colours do you think looks better? I painted one wall of this, I painted the other wall that. Which do you think looks better? And I'm genuine. The difference is so incremental to my brain. 24:46 I'm like, I know there's like a slight difference, but I'm like they are practically the same. And my mum would reply with they are completely different. She sees them as like like not not like worlds apart. And I don't know if she's just being a little bitch. 25:02 It's just like they are different. Like the difference between like ocean Gray and military Gray or some bullshit like that. And to me, I just see it's one block color and I see that with a lot of colors that I will see 2 shades of pants that someone will say, which pants do you think looks better on me? 25:18 Am I? I'm not going to, I'm levelling. They're all the fucking same. And then I get caught a fucking moron because apparently they're all completely different. So I think so that that knowledge in my life of going, Oh yeah, I guess I don't see as many clothes on the spectrum as what other people do led me to believe that these tribes in that experiment, it's also kind of similar. 25:38 Speaker 1 How often do you wear glasses? I don't. 25:41 Speaker 2 Have glasses. I don't need them, Chad. 25:44 Speaker 1 There's women listening. 25:47 Speaker 2 I'm not a nerd, my. 25:50 Speaker 1 God. 25:51 Speaker 2 I obviously I can tell you too close, but like. 25:54 Speaker 1 Like listen. 25:55 Speaker 2 I would say just tell me if this is the same color or not. See the grey fluff on on not that on that and then the Grey's in between them trees on that. 26:03 Speaker 1 No, it's different. 26:05 Speaker 2 Fucking same to me. 26:06 Speaker 1 Because this is more I mean. 26:08 Speaker 2 It's a different texture, I'll give you that. 26:12 Speaker 1 This is more like a light cream I would I would say. 26:16 Speaker 2 Fuck off, it's Gray it. 26:18 Speaker 1 Is it's a light cream boom. 26:19 Speaker 2 What's the wall? 26:20 Speaker 1 Well, this. Yeah. Well, this obviously isn't fucking cream, is it? That's great. 26:23 Speaker 2 Yeah. And so is that. That's great. 26:25 Speaker 1 You think that, and that's the same. 26:27 Speaker 2 More or less. 26:28 Speaker 1 Why are you being like this? I'm not. 26:30 Speaker 2 Yes, you're. 26:31 Speaker 1 Not yeah, you're doing a bit now. I'm not doing a bit and the bit is to make me angry. It's not bullshit. You think that that is the same colour exactly? 26:41 Speaker 2 Exactly what I just told you about the arguments I've got in the past with my mom and other women. Listen, I genuinely believe I can't see a lot of colours. 26:50 Speaker 1 I think that you just got rubbish eyes. I think I've. 26:54 Speaker 2 Got great eyes. Great. My eyes are great again. My eyes are lovely. Practically the same grey. It's not cream, is it? It's grey. 27:09 Speaker 1 The ball is grey. 27:10 Speaker 2 They're both grey. That's more cream. It's. 27:13 Speaker 1 White it. 27:14 Speaker 2 Is white, but you know the dirt on it gives it a grey. 27:17 Speaker 1 But it is white regardless. Yeah. 27:19 Speaker 2 Same as the wall and the same as that and that. 27:23 Speaker 1 Exact same shade. All these things are the same shade originally. 27:27 Speaker 2 More or less. 27:28 Speaker 1 What about what about that thing that Shaggy put up? 27:31 Speaker 2 That that's the same as. That's exactly the same as the wall, and don't tell me otherwise. That is more the same. 27:36 Speaker 1 That's more similar to the wall than this is. 27:38 Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what I'm telling you, right? That's like a lighter version of the Gray. 27:41 Speaker 1 You might even say light cream like I said earlier, and this is Gray like you just admitted to. 27:47 Speaker 2 Like that wall on the wall that that cover on the wall and the wall is the same like, but this is a lighter Gray. This wall's different than that wall. 27:56 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, that's the accent wall, isn't it, I. 27:59 Speaker 2 Don't know. I don't know where it sounds. I don't know where it's from. Point being, I don't think I could see as many colours as other people like those tribe men. I think I'm a tribesman. 28:12 Speaker 1 Genuine. I think genuinely this is more of a you problem than a tribesman problem. 28:19 Speaker 2 And that's why I believe that, because I genuinely think I can't see as many colours as other people. I don't see colour so established. We like Predator. Michael can't see colours. He's not colour blind. I've done tests, no, because any sort of, you know, those numbers, padding and all those fucking colours, fucking knock them out. 28:39 The part like numbers business, that was me doing it just visually and saying the number in my eyes that. 28:44 Speaker 1 Was you pretending to I could tell pretending to do it, yeah, like eyes darted and then as though the numbers are. 28:52 Speaker 2 They're always, they're usually always like double digits as well. They're always like in the 40s, forty one, and that's what I was going to say. So because you got this tribe of people and they're all following this leaders revenge kick on killing this guy who's responsible for a father's death. 29:09 Obviously she's got her little son with her, which again, I thought was like a Kratos and Atreus little thing maybe, but there's also another child with them. A lot of the other people didn't get much screen time. There was a little girl with them as well and like find the Predator like sound cannons are into a wall and her face just gets impaled with antlers. 29:30 I'm like did you brutally killed that fucking child? That's insane. 29:34 Speaker 1 I mean she was a child. Should have been like early 20s of it I. 29:38 Speaker 2 Don't know. She looked younger than the boy to me. I know. 29:41 Speaker 1 No, I didn't think so. 29:42 Speaker 2 Can't see color and I can't see age apparently. 29:46 The Samurai Predator's Stealth and Brotherly Combat What do you think of the actual OK predator reveals himself? The fight. What do you think of the actual fight between? I thought of all the ways the three predators went out, this one was the best I. 29:57 Speaker 1 Don't know, I think. I think that the Japanese one the. 30:00 Speaker 2 Summer I want yeah, and I think this one was just visually more. You saw the predator die and it was cool. I did like I kind of didn't like it they figured out in Prey because Prey again was very minimal dialogue if you remember. Yeah, I can't remember how they figured out that like covering them in mod makes the you sort of blind into the Predator's mask or something or being cooled out. 30:18 I can't remember they figured out in that, but I remember thinking it's a bit contrived and it's a bit forced, but I like. 30:23 Speaker 1 She figured it out when he was fighting the Burr. 30:26 Speaker 2 Oh, did she? Yeah. Oh, and pray. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought fight him in this. And I was like, what? But no. But when she was like under the ice and then she's like, he was walking, I thought. 30:37 Speaker 1 That was a good. 30:38 Speaker 2 It's a good way of doing the whole mud thing. I'm like, that's really cool. I like that. And then when she comes out like he, he still can't see that well because her body would still be pretty cold. So he's just like sound blasting all these like shipwrecks and shit. Cool. 30:54 And so she ends up defeating him. 30:56 Speaker 1 She uses his boom arm. Yeah, to deflect, define underwater. 31:03 Speaker 2 She weighs him down and she she grabs a big anchor, ties it around his leg or something. 31:08 Speaker 1 Yeah, uses all the same blast against him with the help of her trusty shield. 31:13 Speaker 2 Which I think should have shattered. 31:15 Speaker 1 Maybe, but I mean the force would have been dampened because of the underwater fight. 31:20 Speaker 2 Fair enough, but it was enough to. 31:22 Speaker 1 Push them both apart. 31:23 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. 31:24 Speaker 1 Yeah, launch him into the jagged edge of the anchor. 31:29 Speaker 2 And I was just thinking as that happened, I was like, does that mean in universe on on our planet Earth, there's a frozen predator somewhere? 31:37 Speaker 1 Probably just. 31:38 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it's pretty cool. 31:40 Speaker 1 I don't know did the I? 31:41 Speaker 2 Don't know if they claim the cops as well. Yeah, I. 31:43 Speaker 1 Think they do? 31:44 Speaker 2 He's also implied that all three of these predators are on a form of trial. Yeah. So there's someone else watching them, which we never see who's watching them. And I think we were always we were robbed of a scene in all of them. You kind of see it in the last one, but like with the Samurai one and with a Viking 1, you just they just cuts to them on a ship somewhere with finger with light shackles on, on my. 32:09 Yeah. 32:09 Speaker 1 With all those obedience colors. 32:11 Speaker 2 Yeah, I guess. Were you thinking at some point, is it predators of access to time travel because you knew where it was going? All right, I. 32:21 Speaker 1 Sort of figured that they'd just be putting people in stasis. 32:24 Speaker 2 It makes sense, but this, this event that, it's like, oh, we've collected these warriors throughout time. This is what the final acts about. We've collected these warriors through time. They're going to fight each other and then they're going to fight me, fucking king of the predators or whatever. 32:40 I'm like, God, this must have been years in the making for this event and it went tits up quick. This event would have been like what, hundreds of years in the making? Not only that, the time it takes to get from fucking out to. 32:53 Speaker 1 We'll get to the final. Yeah, we still got the sword to talk about. 32:58 Speaker 2 So it's pretty good I'm. 33:00 Speaker 1 Swords really good. 33:02 Speaker 2 I'm a sucker for two brothers separated. One becomes like 1 gets raised in squalor and one gets raised in royalty and stuff like that. I like those kind of stories. Next to no dialogue in this right to the very end, which I really enjoyed and it's like my favorite one cuz I'm like, you knew everything. 33:22 And like, so it starts off with the two brothers. I, I think they're identical twins. They look very similar. 33:28 Speaker 1 Yeah, I think, yeah. 33:30 Speaker 2 And I guess their fathers like going like, oh, if you want to win my favour, you know, and you want to get access to this fucking cool ass Kabuki. Yeah. Kabuki Kabuko. I can't remember what they called Karabuco. I can't remember what they're fucking called. 33:47 You're going to get access to this fucking cool helmet. I have a fight and then one brother's like, I can't. He's my brother, puts his sword away. He's like, it's fine, it's cool. 33:57 Speaker 1 Yeah, fuck it. 33:59 Speaker 2 Well, at first I want. 34:01 Speaker 1 Them pants. 34:03 Speaker 2 Well, at first he was all like, oh, I'll do the same thing as well. And then he sees his dad looking disappointed, tucking away all this armour. And what I do want, I do want it though. And then he went straight up attacked his brother, gave him a little cot on his cheek. And at this point I was thinking not very honourable. 34:20 Is it not being raised with proper samurai traditions, You can't do that because the honour's like a big thing in it. So those are my biggest things, like not very honourable. And I can't believe that dad rewarded him. He must be a shit. Dad must be a shit. 34:35 I don't know what, what was that? But why did he get cast out? Why could he still get raised though? What was it? Was the rule like I can only have one son? Sorry. 34:44 Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not what I got from it. Only one of you can be my heir. 34:49 Speaker 2 I guess that makes sense because if they're identical twins as well, it's like, who do you pick? We'll make them fight when they fall. That's the perfect time to do. 35:00 Speaker 1 It they can fight to the death when they're like 5 years old or whatever. 35:03 Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll, we'll do that. And then yeah, they're just like one goes about his life, becomes a Prince, becomes king of the castle I guess, and the other just like only leaves don't Rd. really just does his own pauper shit. 35:17 Speaker 1 Yeah, but both honing the skills. 35:19 Speaker 2 Honing skills. He grows a cool beard, grows his hair down. 35:22 Speaker 1 1 is a samurai and 1 is a ninja. 35:24 Speaker 2 Yeah, master of stealth and deception and. 35:27 Speaker 1 When his father dies and the bells ring, out strikes. 35:31 Speaker 2 Yeah, so I really like the the sort of like attack on the castle when they're going to ring the bells out for warning. And he's to me, it reminded me of like a sort of Jackie Chan fight scene because he's like, he'd do that thing like say like they'd be doing a fight in like a museum or something. 35:50 And they'll be priceless works of art everywhere. And he tries best but save everything around him. And he, I think he does that like slapdash style in a lot of his martial art films. And he reminded me of that. And especially like that happened. I'm going that was really cool. He's stopping all these noises from happening while he's finding these three guys. 36:06 And then the bell over there just rings and he does this big. 36:10 Speaker 1 Fuck it then. 36:13 Speaker 2 Which I'm pretty sure I've seen in a lot of different Jackie Chan films when he's been doing like cool martial arts shit. He's trying to protect everything around him and then at the very end something goes wrong. Anyway, I thought that was pretty. It was a cool sequence as well. Nice visual way. 36:28 It was, it was fun. It was nice. I'm like, this guy's cool. The fight with him and his brother was pretty cool. Which one were you rooting for? The the bearded ninja one? I was because I'm like underdogging him. He came from Norton, got to root for the underdog. 36:44 Oh, I did think it was silly. Again, I, I had my nitpicks when so I guess the armor was just like strewn about the area and the the brother, the Prince brother who would become king, I guess, was just sort of falling into his armor pieces and they were just immediately just being on him. 37:04 Like so there'd be a gauntlet on the floor and he'd just slap his wrist onto it and then immediately straight up to deflect assault. I'm like, sure, you've got to spend time tying that. And there was one point and I went, I rewound it because I'm like, when did that fucking happen? 37:20 He got thrown across the room. Then he did a tipple over and he came back up into shot and he had the helmet on, right. But when did he do that? When did that happen? But yeah, he catches up to him and he sort of like the lesser brother gets the upper hand and he just gives him a little little nick on his cheek. 37:39 And I think that's all he wanted to do. I don't think he intended on killing him. It was just that, Yeah, because it was sort of like, you disrespected me, whatever, I'm going to disrespect you. And then he just falls anywhere and I just assumed he died and. 37:51 Speaker 1 They really give way, didn't it? Yeah, yeah. And then the predator's arm came out of his dad's mouth. 37:57 Speaker 2 That was really fucking weird because it was visualized like a nightmare sequence. Yeah. Yeah. Like it came out of his mouth, but now he just punched through a picture of his dad. One of my favorite moments in that whole Predator reveals. 38:15 Predator reveals himself. Ninja guy kind of scarpers a little bit, does a little smoke bomb as these three people run into the room and they immediately get greeted with this fucking monster. I guess I'm like, oh fuck, we're in the wrong place now. 38:30 I did like this guys like weapon. You have a lot more weapons, which I thought was cool. My favorite one was yeah. 38:35 Speaker 1 But that's all what we're saying, like each printer seems to be going after, yeah, his ARC type of fighting style. 38:41 Speaker 2 Pretty much, yeah. And I like her. The fact when you see it from the protest point of view and he does his little scan thing when he's looking for who the greatest warrior is. You noticed it in the most in the Viking 1 and I noticed it in this one. But he's like scanning the weapons as well. Yeah. Like I was like, oh, they're using swords. 38:57 I'm I'm going to use swords, you know what I mean? But I really like this spear. That was a spear. Killed a guy, nailed him to a wall. Great, he's dead. No need for the spear. Just to have two little 2 little blades that come out of fucking nowhere just to cut him clean in half. 39:12 That was cool. Yeah. But yeah, I like the the fodder moments. I can't remember much of the predator fight with him and him can't remember. Oh, what I did like is because he when he was storming the castle, he already kind of noticed the predator. He noticed it inactive camo. 39:28 Yeah, he just saw like, what the hell? Oh, the fuck was that weird? And then he actively sees it vanished before his eyes. So he's like, oh, great. 39:42 Speaker 1 A ghost, yeah. So then there's there's a chase sequence that that happens. 39:47 Speaker 2 Oh, on the roof, yeah. 39:48 Speaker 1 So he's hiding in the laughters, thinking that he's now invisible to the naked eye, not realizing that this predator sees heat at this point. Then the chase sequence happens. Then he's hiding underneath the pagoda, the roof slam stone. 40:05 He's he's hiding underneath it as the Predator is looking for him. What what I've written do is I hope you like getting stabbed in the thought fuck you. 40:15 Speaker 2 Do you know what I was thinking? You know, he was hanging from like where the slots are and he and he went under. I my initial thought was I'd never have the strength to do that. Like I'd one like I'd ever be in the situation. And then I thought, I don't think I could climb up, especially with those loose tiles. 40:35 I'd probably just fall. I mean, I just felt sad because I'm not as energetic as a trained ninja. 40:42 Speaker 1 Samurai. The upper body strength? Was it the ninja from this animated film? 40:47 Speaker 2 Yeah, then. Then I paused it. Then I had a 20 minute cry. Then I resumed, resumed the film. Yeah, All right. Good use of weapons. All right. Is Kunai as fucking ninja using all his tricks to the trade? 41:06 It was interesting as well because like obviously Predator very stealthy and stuff. Ninja also very stealthy and cool, but also samurais warriors, very honourable warriors. That's why I've always wanted to see a Predator versus a samurai thing. I would have loved to full film in that era, like a big yeah, live action sort of film. 41:24 But I'm happy with what I've got. Don't prepare. I don't think I need a live action film of it now, but I'm still happy what I got. You know, I would just see you eventually, like fall into the river. What happens to that? 41:36 Speaker 1 To make an escape, he jumps. 41:38 Speaker 2 Because I remember him running across the roof smoke bomb and then he as as the predator jumps through the smoke he can sort of see the shape of it. Can't remember if you throw something at him but. 41:49 Speaker 1 He throws a couple knives at him whilst in the earth flying into the next building and. 41:55 Speaker 2 Then I thought, oh, I couldn't do that. 42:01 Speaker 1 Yeah, Jumpstart is in the Is it a river or is it a lake? 42:06 Speaker 2 I think it's like a little lake thing. Yeah, a deep lake, I guess, to make sure you don't hit the bottom. 42:12 Speaker 1 Yeah, and then he swims to shore, where he meets his brother again. 42:16 Speaker 2 Yeah, I was. I was surprised he was alive. 42:18 Speaker 1 I suppose also filling into the water and that's what, yeah, kept him alive. But then because he'd been essentially fighting this poetry and he's been watching him do all this shit, he's like, again, he's doing the sort of Jackie Chan thing where he's like pushing and pulling his brother to get him out of the way of the shit that's going on. 42:37 Speaker 2 He does. He does take a blow though to the gun, which I thought, oh what, what a brilliant story. Like starting off two brothers, you immediately know which one you hate, which one you like, no dialogue said you know which one you're rooting for in the fight. 42:53 Then you find out that they're both alive after he goes, oh, we only want to give him a little nick and stuff. And there's like, I kind of want them both to survive now. No dialogue, just action and like visual story cues. I'm like brilliant. 43:08 Absolutely phenomenal storytelling. 43:09 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's it's a very Gendi Tatakovsky way of. 43:14 Speaker 2 Oh, it is. It is. 43:15 Speaker 1 Telling the story, which you don't need. You just just show me what's happening. 43:20 Speaker 2 Let the stories be for itself. 43:21 Speaker 1 Context clues alone you you'll be able to see what's what. 43:25 Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. There was a moment when. So when the but it gets like sort of impaled against the tree, I think is it getting impaled against the tree. This is why I didn't really like its death. Think I was a bit confused by that because it was invisible the entire time. 43:39 Speaker 1 The the ninja brother runs up the predator. 43:44 Speaker 2 Also also a mid 90s comedy film starring like Chris Farley Ninja brother. 43:52 Speaker 1 He runs all the predator that kicks his face plate off. 43:55 Speaker 2 Oh yeah. 43:55 Speaker 1 And then in a sweepy turns in mider and slices him down the back. 44:01 Speaker 2 Oh yeah. 44:02 Speaker 1 The Predator launches that chain blade in. 44:06 Speaker 2 Yeah, he's got, Oh yeah, he's got those little chain blades on it, Yeah. 44:09 Speaker 1 Which knocks him away. 44:12 Speaker 2 Oh, he does a four run Scorpion, don't he? He doesn't get over here. He has that chain thing and he does a four run like Get Over, which again, I'm guessing was a direct reference because he does that. He puts those little bomb things on him as he pulls him back. 44:26 Speaker 1 Well, he puts the bomb thing in the claw. Yeah, of the chain blade. Then when he suits it back, that's when it blows and it bashes him against the tree but he's still in active camo. 44:38 Speaker 2 Which is silly because active predator camo is weak as shit. Like you get it a little bit damp. You even see it at the beginning of I can't remember if this is the beginning of the Viking one or this one, but there's a fire going and a little bit of ember just touches it. Am I? You just sort of see it fizzle and glitch aren't my Yeah, so the fact that it remained invisible after taking a fuck on bomb and a hit to a tree is insane because active camo the predator as powerful it is all you need to do is give it a poke and you can like sort of see it, you know, physical side. 45:11 But yeah, there was a point when I thought, OK, so the predator's gone now he's bashed against the tree, he's invisible and the brother came back out and the the drew swords. I thought, oh, you're not going to try and kill him, are you? Let it go, man. But no, they both have the same idea. 45:27 You know they both were like going to run towards each other and just do like a double slashing cut the predator in like 2. 45:34 Speaker 1 Yeah, 43. 45:39 Speaker 2 I don't see color I. 45:41 Speaker 1 Can't see numbers? 45:45 Speaker 2 We're learning lots about me. 45:48 Speaker 1 Yeah, one of them kills his head off, the other one slices him through at the waist. 45:52 Speaker 2 Yeah, just sort of like an anime sort of death thing as well. I think it was like a bit embellished with it being like animation because it was sort of like a he's ver. I know he's invisible, but you got the sense like he becomes visible when he gets caught, but he's ver. And then it's like a freeze frame and then it's like a he's caught. 46:09 It breathes a little bit, then blood spurts up, then the richer brother like dies because the predator did like stab him in the stomach directly. 46:18 Speaker 1 Straight through as well. 46:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, he still held his own for quite a bit though. But yeah, very cool. Really, really enjoyed that one. And then I just felt sad when the other brother was just taken on the ship and he was just though. And that's when we see the dog tags leading into the next time I time travel ever. 46:39 Me thinking Vikings and Samurais lived very close together. 46:43 Critiquing the WW2 Pilot Predator and Dogfights Samurais earlier. 46:45 Speaker 1 No, I think, I think the other end about at the same time or maybe some is a little bit later. 46:48 Speaker 2 Because I imagine it was going in chronological order. 46:51 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. 46:52 Speaker 2 Because I thought they, because at first when I just saw the trailer, when I thought it was just going to be an anthology of episodes, I thought when it started, oh, they're going to show the samurai won't last. Because I know that's the one that people want to do the most. But yeah, but now it's the World War 21. 47:10 Speaker 1 Yeah, so the World War 21, very chatty, a lot of talking, and if you like planes then you'll like this, otherwise you'll think it's very fucking boring. 47:22 Speaker 2 You're an annoying me. So you got this kid, right? It starts off he's fixing a car on the side of the road. He's with his dad, I think his dad's car, and he can't fix the engine. He's struggling and he's like, sorry, dad, I can't fix it. And his dad's like, I'm sick of bailing you out. Pushes a piece of paper in his face and it's like, join the army. 47:41 All right, Harsh. Is that because that implies I know he had the draft notice and he was going to go anywhere but that implies were if he could fix that engine his dad might have like made him not join the army? 47:53 Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess. 47:54 Speaker 2 But this guy shtick is he's shit with engines and he can't fix them cuz you see him next, he's on like an airplane carrier carrier. But it's not military things. It's a big boat that carries plane anyway. 48:12 So it's not one of them. And he's like, I don't know, building his own plane or something. I don't know why he's got because he puts the logo on it, the bullet. He, he gets in and the engine doesn't stand. For fuck's sake. Engine doesn't start. And then he's talking to someone who's higher above him, like a senior officer. 48:30 And he's like, look, kid, you ain't no pilot. So I'm really good at fucking flying. I am really good at fucking flying. And then this guy's like, look, if you don't know if it build a plane, you're not a fucking pilot. You're not a real pilot. And then to me, that's like saying anybody who can drive a car shouldn't be allowed to drive a car unless they can build an engine. 48:50 Do you know what I mean? Yeah, right. No, you shouldn't be driving that car. You don't know anything about the engine. You aren't allowed on the road. Like he even says many, many, many times, I am not a mechanic. I am not a mechanic. 49:05 I'm here to be a pilot. I can't fix things for shit. I'm not a mechanic. I want you to know that. And then as this guy's leaving, he's right. That plane better be ready in 20 minutes. Oh, you want from me? Can't fix things anyway. 49:22 They're fighting the the French. 49:25 Speaker 1 Yeah, that was so fucking weird, wouldn't it? I don't I don't understand what was. 49:29 Speaker 2 I don't know a lot about World War 2, but I don't know why the the Americans were fighting the French I. 49:36 Speaker 1 Also don't. 49:36 Speaker 2 Know, but I don't think they were in France. They were in some sort of Middle Eastern country that the French were occupying. 49:43 Speaker 1 Yeah. 49:44 Speaker 2 Right. Anyway, so couple of the pilots go up, they're having a dog fight with the French pilots and then this kid notices that Oh no, someone guy comes down and he's like arrows in the sky, arrows in the sky, anchors in the sky or something. 50:01 Speaker 1 Claws. 50:02 Speaker 2 Claws, hooks, claws, hooks, whatever. Something like in the sky. And he's like, oh what the fuck does that mean? And then this young kid finds one of these claws and immediately, like in any good Alien or Predator film, he's like this is unknown. 50:17 I don't know what this is about, let's start poking and bashing at it. This thing seemingly comes to life on his own immediately like impales this plane almost kills his mate. Look like that didn't kill you, otherwise that would have been bad and then it like. 50:33 Speaker 1 Yeah, well, the whole thing about it is it reacts to heat source, right? Yeah. Which sort of didn't hold up because the guy had a blowtorch on it at one point. So why didn't it react to the heat of the blowtorch? 50:45 Speaker 2 I think that's what woken up initially maybe? 50:48 Speaker 1 Only the plane starting. 50:49 Speaker 2 I was thinking in the sense that the engine, I was thinking it wasn't the hooks that were reacting to the heat source, but like, so the Predators got his Predator mask on and he sees heat sources in that because he's got a eye patch on that. So he sees heat source and he just fights it forward. 51:04 I just thought this claw thing went just straight for the plane and then it immediately like propels itself back to the Predator ship, which seems like a silly weapon because if you're wet, if your weapon is to fire something this hops on and then pulls whatever is back into your ship, you're just going to have a ship full of junk. 51:27 Speaker 1 Full of shite, yeah. 51:29 Speaker 2 Silly, silly shite. Whatever. It's one of the the new weapons and this guy noticed that there's something else in the sky, so he goes, oh shit, I'll get him a dog shit plane that burly flies and I'll save the day. I'll do it all. Or I'll warn them because communications are down or something. 51:47 You get up, the Warren zone says there's something else in the area is like, shut up, we fighting French people, leave us alone. But yeah, I know. But look at that thing over there immediately, like this hooks in the sky, you're coming ripping out pilots like the plane, and then they're flying back into the Predator ship. 52:05 To me, this goes against Predator law in the sense of the Predators hunting down the best of the best. He wants to fight the cruelest warriors. He wants to challenge himself. This must have been This is the equivalent because World War 2 planes versus an intergalactic space Verring space vessel with state-of-the-art everything is the same as me walking into Pets at Home and kicking an aquarium. 52:39 Speaker 1 It's a stranger similar. 52:41 Speaker 2 I don't know, find me walking into a crash and kicking a bunch of babies. That made more sense. Is that a better analogy? He just felt very unsportsmanly of the Predator. 52:51 Speaker 1 The analogy that I was thinking of when I was watching it was, you know, like, say, oh, it's like bringing a gun to a knife fight. 52:57 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, it's like a bomb coughing, baby. 52:59 Speaker 1 Essentially the the predator was in a tank and I barehanded and that's it. 53:04 Speaker 2 No sport for this. Yeah. I don't know if it was like a dickhead Predator and he was like, I'm not very honourable. I don't want to, I just want to, I just want to kill things in planes. They learn, he learns quickly that it's attracted to heat or something. 53:20 So they take the ships very, very high in the sky. Planes freeze a bit. Predators, blind I I still think you should still be able to see the ships. Because he's not. 53:31 Speaker 1 Yeah, because he's only got an eye patch on that. Like the eye patch sees the heat. Yeah, he's naked eye. Should have been able to see him very clearly, I thought. 53:41 Speaker 2 Or is it just this whole targeting systems based on he based shit? Because that's that's dumb. 53:48 Speaker 1 Well, I mean that's, that's what his, yeah, his plane call it was when it's like his his targeting system was he based, which is why he was only zoning on the engines were. 53:59 Speaker 2 Yeah, shit. 54:00 Speaker 1 But listen, very boring a boring. 54:03 Speaker 2 The way he killed it was a bit. 54:05 Speaker 1 I I made one note. 54:07 Speaker 2 There is no way. There is no way, right? So he killed him. There's no way. The other bigger predators who were watching this whole go down, go, yeah, he's the warrior we want for this, for this fight in 100 years or 200 years or whatever time, because we don't know what time it is when they're all woken up. 54:27 Speaker 1 It could be 2:00, could be 4:20, we don't know. 54:31 Speaker 2 It could be like. 54:32 Speaker 1 We don't know it. 54:33 Speaker 2 Could be like the IT could be like the year 3000. 54:37 Speaker 1 Get a lot of fucking childhood. 54:43 Speaker 2 Like I, I, I don't know, right? We'll get into it. We'll get into it, but I don't know if like, because they've explicitly said the live action Predator film that's coming out, Predator Badlands is set in the future. 54:58 Like it's set a couple 100 years in our future, whatever. That's why there's Will and Newtonian androids and shit running around, which makes sense. I don't know if like we're going to see some sort of Easter egg from these guys in that. So it could be in that time. We don't know. But yeah, the main character in this one, the warrior in this one, it was very, it was like the worst parts of Marvel films. 55:21 You know, we had people criticize Marvel where and they always criticize it in a way where it's like over criticize words because did that just happen? I can't believe I'm doing this, you know, how did I get myself into this situation? A lot of people use that sort of dialogue. 55:37 And when it comes to like bad light, silly Marvel thing, I don't think Marvel's ever that bad, you know, But that's the sort of over the top dialogue that they think. And it was in this character, you know, like he was all like, oh, I'm on an alien planet and I've got I've got I've got a gun from the fucking pirate days. 55:53 I'm a gun. Get up and stuff with this one. Whatever. And he kills the Predator in some contrived way. He uses one of its hooks against it. He overheats up over, blows his engine. He gets the hook to get the engine and he knows it's gonna repel back into the Predator ship somewhere. 56:10 Blows it up. Also he flies to Agrabah in the meantime. Yeah, French noises happen. It again. Was very weird because it made me think is this a real war or a made out war? 56:23 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, my one note about the bullet segment is dogfights are actually boring. Trench warfare would have been way fucking cooler. 56:33 Speaker 2 Trench warfare would have been a lot cooler, which is what I thought it was when it was going to be a World War 21. No trench warfare would have been best for a World War One. 56:43 Speaker 1 Yeah, just set it then. Yeah, for set it in 1910 instead of 1941. 56:47 Speaker 2 Yeah, you're absolutely right. Because I don't know if there'd be something about like you could do some really good horror moments, like especially like if it was like sort of a Germany English sort of scene when in in wherever the battlefield was there. 57:01 Speaker 1 No man's land. 57:02 Speaker 2 No man's land where everyone was getting trench foot and everything and it was like wet all the fucking time. And you see these big slapping invisible prints coming. I don't know. I was like oh fuck, where are these fucking? 57:13 Speaker 1 Yeah. 57:14 Speaker 2 The prints coming from. 57:16 Speaker 1 You could see like, say, one of them could like peek over the top to see if anything's going on, and you could see silhouette of the predator in the smoke. Oh yeah, in the middle of a Norman's land. That would have been a really cool fucking visual. 57:30 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, there's so many cool, like World War One, sort of Norman, one sort of that trench warfare predator you could have done. 57:36 Speaker 1 He said they chose the most boring thing, the. 57:40 Speaker 2 Colourful dogfights in the sky because we didn't really see anything of the that Predator, you know what I mean? It's like for me, a Predator warrior, you know who's like training to be a warrior? Because that's usually what the films are about, whether it be Predator one with Arnold Schwarzenegger or I can't remember what the plot of Predator 2 was to be fair. 58:03 Speaker 1 And put A2 pig in the city. 58:08 Speaker 2 Predators, which was the one on the planet where they were hunting humans, which was a really good. 58:12 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 58:13 Speaker 2 The predator was absolutely fucking dog shit. Never watch it and or prey. The fact is we're predicating. It always seems to be no matter where we meet him in life, they're always doing a trial, a trial of hunting. You know what I mean? 58:28 Way a passage, whatever it is, whether it be a young predator or an older predator, they're always doing a trial. They're always, and I, I never got a warrior aspect from this guy because it's like the Predator himself. Like, yeah, he uses tools and weapons and stuff, but he still uses his own. Like he's not in a tanker, he's not in a car or a bike or anything. 58:46 He's he's himself. He's in the situation, he's not surrounded by a vehicle. So I was a bit disappointed in that one because it could have been cooler. 58:56 Speaker 1 Yeah, I was really disappointed in the whole. 58:59 Debating the Merits of a Pirate Predator Film Concept Every bit of the bullet, actually. 59:01 Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, Shaggy kept saying like when we always talk about where you want to see predators in our ideal time, I've always said samurai. I don't know if you've had one that you've always wanted FTSE. Like what sort of warrior in history it's like to seem go against. 59:16 I don't know if you've wanted to see like Vikings or. 59:19 Speaker 1 Nothing specific, I don't think. Like, I don't know. 59:23 Speaker 2 Shaggy always goes to 1 and I always, I never acknowledge it because I think it's shit. That's shit. Yeah. It's like, Oh yeah, we could recruit if you did this and I go pirates. 59:37 Speaker 1 I think bars would be pretty good. 59:39 Speaker 2 I don't know. I just, I just don't see it. You're on a boat. 59:43 Speaker 1 Doesn't necessarily have to be set on a boat. 59:44 Speaker 2 In my head, though, it is all right. And as soon as he says predator versus pirates, it's one predator on a boat. Like in my head I see a predator. 59:59 Speaker 1 The next time I'm always together, I'm going to bring it up and Jackie's going to tell us why it'd be good. 1:00:06 Speaker 2 I think I don't want to break his heart because I think he thinks I like pirates and predators. There's a reality. 1:00:15 Speaker 1 TV. 1:00:15 Speaker 2 Show come down to pirates and imagine right. Come down to pirates and predators. All right, ma'am, I see you with your family, your kids. 1:00:30 Where would you like to be seated? What section got pirates? Please? No, don't put us in that section. We've got kids. No, we have really like kids. 1:00:45 Shop the pirates to making them like lovable roads. Pop culture pirates are not like the pirates of yore. 1:00:55 Speaker 1 Anyway, the final act Final act of Killer of Killers. 1:00:57 Speaker 2 I want to know what you think a Pirate Predator film would be good. Sell me on it. Sell me on a pirate Predator. You've got to have open. There's got to be open. 1:01:08 Speaker 1 It doesn't necessarily. 1:01:09 Speaker 2 Open water. 1:01:10 Speaker 1 Set on a boat in in the middle of the ocean does it? 1:01:13 Speaker 2 It's not a pirate. 1:01:15 Speaker 1 What do you mean it's not a pirate then? 1:01:17 Speaker 2 I feel like the. 1:01:17 Speaker 1 Pilots didn't spend the whole life on the open seas and never go on land, ever. Ever. 1:01:23 Speaker 2 I feel the only way I could be on board with a pirate predator story is if it's like the pirate mythology, is it not? Our world is in magic and like voodoo shit and krakens and whatnot which can't. 1:01:39 Speaker 1 Happen then. That's not really a Predator movie, is it? 1:01:42 Speaker 2 No, it's it's Predator and Pirates of the Caribbean crossover. 1:01:46 Speaker 1 Well, that's why you think it's shit. 1:01:49 Speaker 2 No, because that I'd I'd watched that. But a real life pirate situation I might. In real life, pirates are kind of boring. 1:01:58 Speaker 1 How much do you know about pirates? What was Blackbeard's real name? Real beard no. 1:02:06 Speaker 2 Barbara's real name, Captain. First name, Black Agar. 1:02:23 Yeah. 1:02:25 Speaker 1 John Teach. 1:02:26 Speaker 2 I thought it was Catch. It was Catch, can't remember. He was a famous pirate as well. I know, I know, I know. Bit about pirates but not enough. 1:02:36 Speaker 1 Not enough, it seems, to realize that they were the original punks. Do you know what I mean? I mean, yeah, a lot of them sort of, depending on what flag they were flying. Yeah. Some of them were just out to murder. Well, some of them were out for sticking it to the fucking king. 1:02:52 It was about being an outlaw, but being a fucking free spirit. It wasn't about just. 1:02:57 Speaker 2 You're glorifying rapists, I hope you know that. 1:03:01 Speaker 1 Not every single pirate was a rapist. 1:03:03 Speaker 2 Did you know him all? Yeah, name him. 1:03:05 Speaker 1 John Teach and Bonnie and with their face and Bonnie was a pilot. 1:03:11 Speaker 2 Bonnie, Yeah. So Junkie and Bonnie, you're just naming like members of U2? 1:03:17 Speaker 1 You've never heard the name Anne before? 1:03:20 Speaker 2 And. 1:03:20 Speaker 1 You asked me to name pirates and I'm doing that and then. 1:03:25 Speaker 2 You're saying Anne like it's a name, not a a adjoining word. 1:03:30 Speaker 1 Captain Kidd. 1:03:31 Speaker 2 Fucking Captain Planet. Is he a pirate? Captain Kidd. 1:03:36 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:03:37 Speaker 2 I tell you what I tell you. 1:03:38 Speaker 1 What Kidd wasn't It wasn't a child. 1:03:41 Speaker 2 I tell you what pops into my head when you say Captain Kidd. What peers in my brain is this 4 year old overweight guy. He's got a bath towel tied around his neck for a Kate. He's got his underpants. 1:03:57 He's Captain Underpants, I guess, Captain Kidd, but he was lame. This is exactly why I think This is why exactly why I think Shaggy's Predator pirate films lame because I just made I made something up in my head you. 1:04:18 Speaker 1 Asked for something, you get given the answer, you're poo poo the answer. Then you get given another answer and you're poo poo that. And all of it is just your pain making up something stupid and shit and you're not listening to what people are telling you. 1:04:36 Speaker 2 Well, Shaggy's never elaborated. You've not elaborated anything. You've just named real people. 1:04:43 Speaker 1 Pirates. Yeah, they've read Pirates. 1:04:46 Speaker 2 Doesn't tell me what a pirate predator film's gonna like. 1:04:49 Speaker 1 That's the pirates. Have you asked me to name some? 1:04:52 Speaker 2 Pirates like me going, oh, I wouldn't be really cool if you had like a pirate film versus the presidents, right? Why would that be cool? 1:05:00 Speaker 1 Oh, why would that be cool? 1:05:02 Speaker 2 Abraham Lincoln. 1:05:03 Speaker 1 Because that's nothing to do with what we're talking about anyway. 1:05:06 Speaker 2 Oh no. Abraham Lincoln? George Washington. 1:05:11 Speaker 1 Sold. 1:05:12 Speaker 2 Just naming pirates, just naming presidents, doesn't mean it's a good film because you know them. 1:05:17 Speaker 1 Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator, also a vampire hunter. 1:05:25 Speaker 2 I've seen, I've seen the trailer of that film. 1:05:29 Speaker 1 George Washington, the 1st President, helped beat back beat back the British. 1:05:36 Speaker 2 Did the BBB did? 1:05:38 Speaker 1 The triple Bees doll. Thanks. 1:05:40 Speaker 2 Not only did it beat back the British, imagine if you beat back the Predator. 1:05:44 Speaker 1 No thanks in no small part to the French and the Spanish which did 90% of the heavy lifting and is the only reason why they are the country and not another part of the British Empire anyway. 1:05:55 Speaker 2 History Gym over here. 1:05:57 Speaker 1 The final art. 1:05:59 Speaker 2 You still not Peach me a pirate predator film. Peach me, like you said about the trenches, the, the, the, the swaggy mode, the rain silhouette, the predator immediately stepping on a land mine and ending the film, which is a possibility. 1:06:16 Do you reckon he can see them? Yeah, even though they're under mud. 1:06:19 Speaker 1 I mean, he has. 1:06:21 Speaker 2 Big ears, you can hear him. 1:06:25 Speaker 1 It doesn't just have heat vision. 1:06:26 Speaker 2 Though does it? Yeah, No, I know it. 1:06:28 Speaker 1 Detects 10 other settings. 1:06:33 Speaker 2 Microwave Defrost. Pitch me on this pirate film. I want to be sold on it because I don't mind pirates. 1:06:46 Speaker 1 Really. Really. 1:06:48 Speaker 2 Pitch me a scene. Pitch me the pirates versus the predator. I'm just saying a pirate on a wooden boat and he's the captain of the boat and it's shit. He's got a hat and an eye patch and the Jolly Rancher is just a predator. 1:07:02 Speaker 1 Jolly Rancher. The Jolly Rancher. My God. 1:07:08 Speaker 2 That's what it's called. 1:07:09 Speaker 1 The Jelly vodger doesn't all advantage, doesn't look after cows for fucks sake. 1:07:16 Speaker 2 The Jelly Ranch is like a shit restaurant. Whatever. The Jelly Roger. The Jelly Roger is just skull and crossbones but an alien skull in the middle. And I'm watching this film. I'm thinking I was lame. Don't worry that. 1:07:29 Speaker 1 Again, you just made-up your own nonsense. 1:07:31 Speaker 2 Yeah, so you need to make make me a better film and I need to stop that in my head. Replace my shit ideas. 1:07:37 Speaker 1 OK, let's say that it's John Teach's boat, right? His, his, his ship and sailing across the ocean doing whatever, right? The first half of the movie is just about the pirate lifestyle. What's what they're doing, where they're going, how they're making the money, and where the settlement is, right? 1:07:57 That's interspersed with the Predator attacking other boats or the smaller vessels, right? 1:08:03 Speaker 2 How's the predator attacking these smaller vessels? How? Yeah. Like, is he just like he's not jumping from boat to boat in open ocean, is it? Is he does he have his own ship or something? 1:08:12 Speaker 1 No, it'll be in. It'll be in his ship. As in what it comes to Earth. So if you'll probably jump from the go to a low hover, kind of say. 1:08:23 Speaker 2 I know you're gonna hate me, but my God, when you said the Predator was attacking boat to boat, the image in my head was the Predator's got an invisible speed boat with like a mounted gun to it. And I'm like, I think that's terrible, Jack, That's awful. My brain keeps making shy. 1:08:40 Speaker 1 The Predator's ship, which he visits the planet with. Like I said before he started talking, probably goes down to a low hover so we can jump from his ship. Yeah, to the nautical vessel ship. 1:08:52 Speaker 2 But here's the thing, why would it be attacking these ships? Because he's only if if your. 1:08:58 Speaker 1 Ships have cannons. 1:08:59 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, they have cannons, but unless they're in, if they're actively fighting, he's not going to give a shit because if you're unarmed or something. If if it's just a ship with a bunch of I. 1:09:07 Speaker 1 Don't know it's a small military vessel. 1:09:09 Speaker 2 If there's a ship with a bunch of friendlies on there, he's not going to attack anyone on there because they're all being nice the way I'm all being nice. 1:09:16 Speaker 1 Shaking hands and cuddling they're. 1:09:17 Speaker 2 All being British, right? 1:09:20 Speaker 1 Yeah, the epitome of nights. 1:09:21 Speaker 2 No, no, right. Fucking pirates sort of thing with the British, didn't there? Is that a thing? Am I using fake pirate mythology? I think you love using fake pirate mythology. Pirates of ruined me. Whatever. Would it not be like be better if it was like, what would get the Predator involved in Blackbeard Chip is if Blackbeard was in a massive Armada fight with about 3 of the Galleons. 1:09:49 Who? Who would be on the Galleons? Yeah, yeah. Who would be on them? British. 1:09:55 Speaker 1 Could have been the well, the Spanish, the French. 1:09:57 Speaker 2 All right, all right. Spanish, French, whatever is it? Blackbeard. Smaller ship, whatever is famous. 1:10:02 Speaker 1 For leading up to wasn't it like the whole movie isn't just going to be he was the fight between Blackbeard and the predator. There has to be a build up. Don't. 1:10:11 Speaker 2 They yeah, this is what it would be like the Predator would be. 1:10:14 Speaker 1 Can't, can't just be. He was the main fight. 1:10:17 Speaker 2 No, all I'm saying is it like if it was in like this 20 minutes style chunk of what we saw. 1:10:22 Speaker 1 Oh, well then you like you. You've not wanted me to pitch a fucking feature film to I'm. I'm. 1:10:28 Speaker 2 I'm not, I'm asking, I know you're changing the. 1:10:30 Speaker 1 Rules No, no, Jack. It's a fucking episode. It's an episode of a fucking animated I'm. 1:10:35 Speaker 2 Asking you to pitch me an idea. 1:10:37 Speaker 1 It's a quick 5 minute YouTube show appears is gonna be on TikTok and nothing else. 1:10:42 Speaker 2 You're supposed. 1:10:42 Speaker 1 To be 10 minutes. 1:10:43 Speaker 2 You're a pitch meeting is it's a quick thing to get me excited about it. This is what it is. 1:10:48 Speaker 1 Right. Well, the excitement is is that these this predator is fine. 1:10:52 Speaker 2 The exam is the Predator's gonna knock you off. You up here, it's going to take their mouth to balls. Is that what you want? Is that what you want? Your Predator versus pirate film? The Predator just breaks through the 4th wall, unzips your pants, spreads his little face lips and goes to Tyrone. 1:11:18 Speaker 1 You're. 1:11:19 Speaker 2 Right. I'm sold. 1:11:20 Speaker 1 You just want to know the meat and not and not the tears of the story then. 1:11:24 Speaker 2 No, I think I've got it. I'm on board with it now. 1:11:27 Speaker 1 So the final act of killer killers, So has it. 1:11:34 Speaker 2 How is Blackbeard going to defeat the parent predator in the end? It'll be a cannon thing probably. 1:11:40 Speaker 1 A cannon, I mean, he could have could shove one of his flintlocks into his mouth. It could run him through with his cinema. 1:11:46 Speaker 2 Second World of the leg of his bum he was give him a big splinter. 1:11:58 Speaker 1 Right, listen to that a lot of the. 1:12:00 Speaker 2 More the play you heard Magit. That'd be really good because his hands would be tied behind his back, which I don't know what they're going to do. And then he asked if I have a fight with some sharks underwater and that could be a cool scene. 1:12:17 Predator with his hands tied behind his back has got a weight around his ankles. Or is he going to fight these sharks? 1:12:23 Speaker 1 I don't know. It's not. 1:12:24 Speaker 2 Going to tell me because. 1:12:26 Speaker 1 I don't know what the answer is because. 1:12:28 Speaker 2 In my head he's just going to head butt him a bunch and it's a weird predator design. He just happens to have a bit of a horn on his head. I don't like that. No, I know it's shit. I told you a predator pirate affirm is shit. 1:12:42 Speaker 1 Specifically because in my mind this predator has a horn. No other reason. Oh my God, act. 1:12:49 Killer of Killers Finale and Predator Home World Admin 4 All our warriors. 1:12:52 Speaker 1 Right. So the three warriors, the shield, the sword and the bullet, the. 1:12:58 Speaker 2 Bullet. 1:13:00 Speaker 1 The bullet. 1:13:02 Speaker 2 Yeah. 1:13:03 Speaker 1 They get letter into this arena, right? And the tribal leader, I guess. 1:13:08 Speaker 2 The predator of spines. Yeah, King. 1:13:11 Speaker 1 Predator, who was a Cape of spinal columns, yeah, is all not. 1:13:15 Speaker 2 Human spinal columns, because they're way too. 1:13:17 Speaker 1 Long Yeah, yeah. It says like fight to their death. There can be only Wally. He's very highland doable. 1:13:23 Speaker 2 You must say their obedience colors are translating everything. Yeah, so they can actually for the first time ever in a Predator franchise, the humans have been able to understand a Predator, which led to some some confusion for me because they still can't understand each other. 1:13:39 Speaker 1 Right. Well, the president. 1:13:43 Speaker 2 The Japanese guy speaking Japanese, the Viking ladies speaking all Nos, and they're screaming at each other in their own respective languages, but they seem to be understanding. And then the the Earth guy, the earth guy, they're all from Earth. The what? What wartime guy knows a bit of Japanese? 1:14:00 Enough for a joke? Yeah, enough to say. 1:14:04 Speaker 1 Enough to do a gag and then we'll just. 1:14:05 Speaker 2 It's the whole, oh, I know a bit of this. Hi, my name is Whatever. And I like to eat dog food. Ha ha, ha, ha. That's not what you intended to say, but that's all he knows. Classic gag. Yeah, I groan. 1:14:20 Speaker 1 I am a piece of cheese and also I am Thomas is. 1:14:24 Speaker 2 That what he says, something like that overplayed thing. Whatever. Yeah, yeah. So could they understand each other? I guess not. 1:14:33 Speaker 1 No, because the Predator tribe leader is transmitting to the collar. 1:14:38 Speaker 2 And the collar then translates the Predator's language to Japanese or Norse and to English, I guess. Yeah, Yeah. You think it should have? I don't fucking know, but yeah. 1:14:48 Speaker 1 It would help, but then you wouldn't have the conflict of how how do they stop fighting each other to. 1:14:53 Speaker 2 Yeah, and this is what confused me because they actively showed the Viking lady to speak English to her son, you know, like proper English. But yeah, yeah, she couldn't understand this American guy. Although I don't know if she was, like, racist to anything. 1:15:09 That was different, though. But as soon as she saw the Japanese guy when they're on the ship, she was like she spat in his hand, caught him like a Jackal or something. I don't think there was much. Or maybe she's just like any other like ignorant person. She just didn't like anything that was different. 1:15:23 Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess. 1:15:24 Speaker 2 Makes more sense because she seemed to be despondent to both of them at first. Well, at the end as well, she'd grew on him a bit. 1:15:32 Speaker 1 Yeah, she she came around. 1:15:35 Speaker 2 He reminds me of my son. Nah, there's no way he reminded her of her son. Her son was like, pretty cool. 1:15:41 Speaker 1 Not a loser. 1:15:42 Speaker 2 Also, something we didn't mention, her son did die, which shocked me. I thought, I didn't think it'd go go that way. I thought whatever. But yeah, the whole shtick of this arena fight, which was hundreds of years in the making, just so this spinal leader could see who he was. 1:15:59 The greatest warrior against 3 greatest warriors throughout Earth's history. You guys fight each other to the death. Whoever survives, I get to fight you. That'd be a good day for me. I've been waiting for it for ages. Leads me to believe no. 1:16:15 I'm just thinking about that if this is the case that this is what was going on. You could also insert Predator 1 into this storyline. 1:16:23 Speaker 1 Yeah, you could insert all all predator storylines into this one. 1:16:26 Speaker 2 But why didn't no one call her up Schwarzenegger and put him on the planet? 1:16:29 Speaker 1 And he might have. 1:16:30 Speaker 2 Do you know that? That would have been really cool if it ended up with four of them and then there was like a animated Arnold Schwarzenegger. 1:16:37 Speaker 1 If it could just skip. 1:16:38 Speaker 2 Forward Sorry, sorry, my autistic brain's autistic. And again. 1:16:42 Speaker 1 Yeah, I am trying my best to. 1:16:45 Speaker 2 Not read me and. 1:16:46 Speaker 1 Do it in a like a chronological audit type. 1:16:48 Speaker 2 Thing I know you are, know you are. 1:16:50 Speaker 1 But Long story short, because it is a cool fight. 1:16:53 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, yeah. 1:16:54 Speaker 1 You know, the fight between the ninja and the Viking woman. 1:16:59 Speaker 2 Very cool. I was excited. I didn't expect this. Viking versus Samurai God. 1:17:04 Speaker 1 Yeah, the guy from World War 2 was as boring as he's been previously. He gets swallowed by the big. 1:17:14 Speaker 2 Before that. 1:17:14 Speaker 1 Alien. 1:17:15 Speaker 2 And they all, in this, this fighting arena, they all get a weapon from their respected time. So she does. She gets an axe. 1:17:23 Speaker 1 It doesn't say time, he says a weapon from your tribe. 1:17:26 Speaker 2 Oh, right. OK. 1:17:27 Speaker 1 So the only weapon that they could link to him that they would have is the flintlock from. 1:17:34 Speaker 2 Predator two, Yeah. Is it, is it the same one? Yeah. 1:17:37 Speaker 1 Yeah, because it's the same flintlock that the odd at the end of Prey, Yeah, that they gave to Guy in Predator 2. Yes, it's the same 1, the same one. 1:17:48 Speaker 2 So, oh, you've got your Star Wars and you've got your Star Wars and your spin offs and your whatnot, but you've got your main saga, which is Skywalker Saga, All right, So you can skip Predator 1 because there's no flintlock in that one. 1:18:04 Speaker 1 You can skip a lot of them I think. 1:18:06 Speaker 2 They're only real way to watch the Predator films is to watch the flintlock saga. 1:18:11 Speaker 1 Is to watch prey and kill them of killers. 1:18:14 Speaker 2 Predator 2. 1:18:15 Speaker 1 Yeah, Prey then put it A2. 1:18:18 Speaker 2 Killer, killer, killer. The Flintlock trilogy is complete. That's the end of the fucking gun, right? Because we keep seeing it in films. 1:18:28 Speaker 1 I can assure you that that will make another appearance. That's done. I don't think so. 1:18:33 Speaker 2 I don't think the guy even picked it up that he did, but he never fired it. 1:18:37 Speaker 1 True I. 1:18:39 Speaker 2 Generally thought. 1:18:40 Speaker 1 Doesn't mean it's lost forever. It'll be be back in weapon storage, you know? 1:18:45 Speaker 2 He's probably got it with him. You probably got it with him with what happened that no. 1:18:49 Speaker 1 I think he might have left it inside the beast that swallowed him. Good, good. 1:18:54 Speaker 2 I don't need it. I don't need it. 1:18:55 Speaker 1 I wanna say goodbye to the flame. 1:18:57 Speaker 2 I don't need a four. 1:18:58 Speaker 1 That's insane. 1:18:59 Speaker 2 I don't need a quintology of flintlock Predator film. 1:19:05 Speaker 1 Oh my God. So anyway, this guy from World War 2 is all like hey I reckon I can fly as over here despite never flying an alien ship before ever like he. 1:19:14 Speaker 2 Sees something like flying. He's like I can do. 1:19:16 Speaker 1 Closes his eyes and he feels the control. 1:19:19 Speaker 2 Oh, this is something. 1:19:19 Speaker 1 That that means he can no do it. 1:19:21 Speaker 2 I I I didn't say this but this is something I thought in the his section. I didn't make a note but I made a mental note that I was going to bring up. I completely forgot. So do you know how like the engines bullshit and it doesn't work when he's doing his plane, but it's like it will work. 1:19:36 I believe in it, it will work. I was going mentally, I said he's doing it, He's believing in the heart of the plane and it worked. That's exactly what he does in this. He believes in the heart of the plane, and it works. 1:19:53 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. 1:19:54 Speaker 2 Bullshit. Your house was bullshit. So he gets right the predator that he thought he never saw. He might saw it briefly when the front of his ship was like exploded, but he didn't know anything about like it's. 1:20:10 Rockets race its species, how it fights or anything because he never saw an active combat. When he's swallowed by this giant predator beast thing, he sees the severed arm of another predator and it's got something around its wrist and he goes oh great. 1:20:29 Like he instantly knows what this thing is and he dips and daps on these fucking buttons and he releases the obedient collars, which is dumb because the predator that got eaten had nothing to do with the guy who's, you know, the chief or whatever is king predator. 1:20:48 So why is this guy got a wrist thing that would deactivate other people's collars? It should be him and him alone who can do it. Yeah. How did he even figure it out? I thought what was going to happen? He was going to blindly press buttons and nuke everybody, but no. 1:21:03 Speaker 1 Yeah, I, I don't know, he was, it's like he was being used as the catch all Bissell work type thing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, to just push the story to the conclusion. 1:21:13 Speaker 2 When it got eaten, my first thought was good, Yeah, Final one, Yeah. I thought he's going to survive. And then that that beast got dragged off screen. I'm like, oh, no. And he comes out and a fucking, you'll know the name of the vehicle. He comes out in a fucking Halo. What's it called? 1:21:29 Speaker 1 Not Ghost. 1:21:30 Speaker 2 Yeah, it comes out in a fucking Halo Ghost because that's what it is. Also ride almost vertically up a wall, which was silly but whatever. Do you reckon that was the Predator homework they were on or? 1:21:42 Speaker 1 I reckon it would have been yeah, yeah. 1:21:44 Speaker 2 Just a different part of it because usually what we've seen in the films, it's all like Aztec pyramids and shit. But this is like, I don't know, planets are big, they can have different biomes. 1:21:53 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. 1:21:55 Speaker 2 I wonder if this guy was like the king of the predators, like in general, or he's just this one tribe, you know, I. 1:22:01 Speaker 1 Think it's just a tribe to be honest. Yeah, the whole planet is probably. 1:22:06 Speaker 2 Loads of different tribes and hierarchies and a Game of Thrones level of they might even occupy many planets. Yeah, you know, which makes sense. But yeah, so the samurai guy, I wish I really enjoyed him because he was like, I think we've got to work together. 1:22:22 The only way we killed this last time was when me and my brother worked together. We're the team. Let's team up. So I don't know, she understands him. They team up, I guess did fly around the ship. Some of my guy lost his arm. 1:22:37 I was actually gutted but I'm like it. 1:22:40 Speaker 1 Was a shock I thought to be honest. 1:22:43 Speaker 2 With you what what I said when he did that is I took the place of the samurai went Oh no, my sword swinging arm yeah. 1:22:53 Speaker 1 So the World War Two guy fires up the engines of this spaceship he's never been on before. 1:22:59 Speaker 2 Believes in the heart of a plane, Yeah. 1:23:01 Speaker 1 The Viking lady sacrifices herself so that they could get away. 1:23:07 Speaker 2 Yeah, because they fly away on the ship and then they immediately I hook the ship, so it's like stuck in place. Apparently ships not strong enough break the atmosphere, but it can't break a chain. Whatever. Nitpicking again. 1:23:23 Speaker 1 Viking woman said something that I thought was really good. She says all your Grendel saucer is and all your Grendel tricks and my boys got away, which is like a fuck you, yeah. 1:23:35 Speaker 2 Interestingly enough, they didn't kill her dead. 1:23:37 Speaker 1 Yeah, they just put her back in storage. 1:23:39 Speaker 2 Which is weird, I was honest. 1:23:40 Speaker 1 Then we learn. 1:23:42 Speaker 2 I would before you get onto the reveal. So right, hang on, it's not that right. So they put her in storage. We learn that at the end the the the guys fly away World War One guy, World War Two guy and samurai guy. They just fly off into the sunset. 1:23:57 I don't know how you know supposed to get home and what you mean what? Sorry, which way to earth? 1:24:05 Speaker 1 Is it right or right? 1:24:09 Speaker 2 Whether he can do it, Oh my God, I don't know. Whatever they fly off somewhere. I mean what even is the home anymore to them? Earth will be an alien planet to both of them whenever they get back anyway. If they get back. But King Predators like the hunts on boys 50 fucking overkill. 1:24:32 Yeah, you need one ship because that's been parted by a guy. You should not know how to pilot that thing. You need one guy to go. I know where the weapons is. Boop, shoot him, blow him up. Done. He doesn't know where the weapons are. He doesn't know if it fire back, whatever. 1:24:49 You don't need 50 ships. It was very silly. And then there's a little post credit thing where she's in called storage. She's being read away. And I went, oh boy, Easter eggs. What we're going to see? I was going, are we going to see a xenomorph in one of them? Are we going to see this? But no. 1:25:06 Speaker 1 You don't really get a good look at most of the things. 1:25:08 Speaker 2 You don't know. They're just like vague humanoid shapes. 1:25:12 Speaker 1 You have, you have a nice little close up of the chicks and prey in there, which to me suggested that Danny Glovers in there as well. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? 1:25:21 Speaker 2 Maybe I'm Schwarzenegger's in there. Yeah, because we don't know if they came back and like, yeah, called him. 1:25:26 Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I was saying. They have likely been taken just after like a month Sir because it isn't like a straight away game. 1:25:36 Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like a we've reviewed the case by case basis. 1:25:40 Speaker 1 Big stack of papers. 1:25:43 Speaker 2 I would love to see the scene of where like so the Predator goes on a hunt and it gets recorded by some guy who's watching this hunt. And then you've got a caseworker in the big Predator offices, in these big aspect buildings on a, on a fucking Predator computer wearing a Predator suit and. 1:25:58 Speaker 1 Glasses tired, looking at. 1:26:02 Speaker 2 His eye. 1:26:04 Speaker 1 Clocking on a timeline. 1:26:06 Speaker 2 So this guy, you know, got another Earth case. There's no warriors from Earth. Aren't they cold storage Cold. 1:26:15 Speaker 1 Storage guys, do you think we could just there were other planets? OK, just go somewhere else. 1:26:20 Speaker 2 For a change, Xenomorph things again, I know they don't actually have a planet. They are like a a a. No, humans didn't create the Xenomorphs. The the Prometheans created the Xenomorphs, didn't they? Yeah. 1:26:36 Hey guys, have you ever thought about finding a living Promethean and fighting that? I am so sick of dealing with these human cases. 1:26:45 Speaker 1 98% of our cold storage coughing things that we have it's. 1:26:50 Speaker 2 Like a saying, it's like a saying this human they're. 1:26:52 Speaker 1 Full of humans? OK, pick something else. 1:26:57 Speaker 2 Cold storage, cold storage that there's those Warrior trials coming up in there. Is that this quarterly or next quarter? Listen, man, I don't care. I'm just here for the paycheck. You're going to see the fight later. 1:27:13 What? There's like thousands of them a day. 1:27:17 Speaker 1 Which one? 1:27:19 Speaker 2 Surely that has to exist, right? The creditor jobs have to exist. They're not all warriors. I know they're a worry based system, but the the fact that there is a cold storage of like thousands because we see all the little, it has to be a system and an inventory thing and A and a way to file them away. 1:27:36 There has to be someone who's in in charge of admin. 1:27:38 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. 1:27:40 Speaker 2 Oh, just file it with predator resources. Make a complaint. Yeah, that's opened up an entire new like world view for me on the Predator home world. 1:27:51 Speaker 1 Because they have all these people in cold storage, they can just pick any three whenever. Like this. This killer of killers games, Yeah, might be a weekly thing. Do you know what I mean? 1:28:01 Speaker 2 Or they just pick out whoever they were wrong on the same ship though? Or were they on a ship? Or was that just when they all got brought out cold storage and they were in a prison cell together? Yeah, right, right, right. For some reason, my head I thought they were on the ship and they're all yeah, no, yeah, that makes way more sense. 1:28:18 They got brought it cold storage and they were just in a cell together. So yeah, it wasn't like years in the making. 1:28:24 Speaker 1 As like a holding pen so that when they're ready or when the Chiefs made his last speech before. 1:28:31 Speaker 2 Yeah, all right, that makes way more sense to me because it's not like it was hundreds of years in the making. It was like we're doing a killer killers again, let's go through cold storage and let's see who we're going to fight off against each other. 1:28:47 Speaker 1 We got the clipboard. 1:28:49 Speaker 2 You know, I think, I think this, I think this game of killer of killers was fucking rake. Because I reckon like, OK, so we've got, we've got Spinal Cake Predator up. He's obviously the new leader. We're all happy about it. We all voted him in. It was all great. He wants to prove himself. 1:29:04 So it's always it's always chosen at random to make it fair. It's always chosen at random to make it fair and then you'll get people going. Is this chosen at random because that guy is just a guy. I don't I don't think it's a warrior. It's just a just a little guy little shit mustache. 1:29:21 I think I'm thinking spinal chief over there. I think he had a dab hand. I think he wants an easy. I think he wants an easy fine. You can't say it's not rig. They don't know if I, we, they don't know who they're going to be fighting. They're the rules. 1:29:38 I think he's rigged it. If, if, if anyone ever gets a fucking what's his name, Martinez. 1:29:44 Speaker 1 Torres. 1:29:45 Speaker 2 Torres If anyone gets a Torres Paul, it's rigged. Imagine going through those fucking case files. Torres. Torres, what did he do? He got lucky. Put him up. 1:29:58 Speaker 1 Wait, why? Why did we bother putting him in storage? Actually, I I don't know. 1:30:02 Speaker 2 Let's you turn down that Dick head with one eye. 1:30:05 Speaker 1 OK, I know it's supposed to be random selection, but let's let's just get rid of him. We have we we could we could do it trimming the fat in these in these cold storage cases. I just get just get rid of him. All right, I know it's it's only supposed to be like two people, like a one-on-one fight. 1:30:25 Then the winning gets, well let's let's just off. It's just put Tories in there as well. 1:30:29 Speaker 2 Yeah, let's have a let's make a thing here. Hey, shit. Bill, do you know, you know the other week when you you decided to put that Torres guy in there? Just forget Rid. Yeah, fucking he escaped. He took a ship and he pissed off. But you're fucking guy. 1:30:47 You're pulling my leg, you're pulling my mandibles. You're talking on madrids. Fuck off, nice guy. You not see it on TV? I'm oh. 1:31:02 Speaker 1 Fuck, I'm gonna get fired. I'm so fired for that. I. 1:31:05 Speaker 2 Put him in there. I would hate to be in your fishnets right now buddy. Honestly this office style set combat have set up for the Predator world that we've created for the Predator world is way better than Predator versus pirates. 1:31:27 Objectively, what would you rather say? Oh my God, the inner workings of the bureaucracy of the Predator home world. Or a Predator versus pirate film. Realistically, if these were salty and you could only pick one, I think curiosity would take you to the how they managed to. 1:31:47 Speaker 1 Would take me to a series which is a mockumentary stand. 1:31:54 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, because 1 you get to learn more about the predator law. Yeah. 1:31:58 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:31:59 Speaker 2 Which I think is interesting, which we don't get a lot like the Predator law that we learned is just through context clues and we kind of have to just assume a lot of it ourselves, you know, because it's the printer laws not spoon fed to us at all, which I enjoy. 1:32:15 Yeah, because we all figure it out. You know, it's like, I guess similar to Alien in that way as well, right? We kind of get where it's from, like, oh, the Prometheans, these guys and whatnot. And we get a little bit each film there's. 1:32:28 Speaker 1 Some things about Alien though, which I would rather than not fucking say. 1:32:33 Speaker 2 Example. 1:32:35 Speaker 1 Well, one of the last times that we were talking about, you were telling me about how like the aliens, like they have a gene mutation to them. There is an alien. There is actually no a mountain range, which I thought that's fucking stupid. 1:32:49 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:32:50 Exploring Alien Franchise Lore and Ridley Scott's Vision Then I said to you, right, Yeah, it's Cannon, Yeah. Why did they tell us that? 1:32:56 Speaker 2 They didn't need to. 1:32:58 Speaker 1 Just leave it a mystery. Don't tell us shit ideas, right? If you've got nothing good to say, don't say it. 1:33:04 Speaker 2 Jacket rolling levels of bullshit and yeah, just adding shit, yeah. 1:33:09 Speaker 1 And then I said to you, wouldn't it be fucking stupid if planet Earth was a fucking alien that just grew and mutated? Because. Because within the realms of possibility, yeah, it is nice because there's a mountain range that that is an alien. 1:33:22 Speaker 2 Do you know, with the way the way they've done a lot of marketing for a lot of Alien films, like the classic ones back in the day, I think Alien one or two or something, Alien Earth anyway, has definitely done it. It starts with like a face hugger egg and it kind of shifts into the planet Earth. 1:33:42 Yeah, that's happened a lot in the Alien franchise. That leads me to believe that they have actively toyed with that idea that the Earth is a giant alien, which would be fucking dumb. 1:33:54 Speaker 1 They should just stick to what they've been good at, which is let's just put a few eggs about. Let's let someone stumble into it. Let's just let the alien run about and pick people off. 1:34:05 Speaker 2 Did I tell you they haven't mentioned in that same conversation? It feels like I ordered them because I mentioned it now about the one of the Prometheans who visited Earth. And This is why the Prometheans hate the humans. 1:34:16 Speaker 1 Oh yeah. 1:34:17 Speaker 2 Because like there was a Promethean that visited Earth and that Promethean ended up being Jesus Christ and then they crucified it. And then they're all like, fuck you. We, we are here to like the, the, the Prometheans whole bit. Their whole shtick was to create a life form and have it be perfect, I guess. 1:34:38 And they were experimenting with that. They did really well with humans. This one came back and interacted with them a bit to see how they were going. They treated it like a Christ like figure. And then they sacrificed it because it was different. Sacrificed it, crucified it because it was different. And then they left Earth to be at that point. 1:34:55 They just left it and they're like fuck it, fuck you guys, you killed one of our people. Which is why when David the Android sees a Promethean for the first time, it doesn't recognize it as a thing, but it knows it as a human because it looks human. It immediately fucking kills it because it's like, oh, you, you killed one of us sort of thing because that's what you did. 1:35:15 And I hate your race forever for that because we gave birth to you. And I get why they did that because the whole, the whole point of those films is who's your creator and whatnot. Like the Prometheans created the humans, then Space Jesus is a big alien. 1:35:35 Jesus is an alien canonically, I guess in the Predator and Alien universe now, because they are conjoining them too, which makes sense. So yeah. So it's like the humans were created by Prometheans and the humans went finding the Prometheans and then the whole thing was is like we also created androids. 1:35:52 And then David is constantly trying to create life himself, you know, So I get the narrative about it, but when you say it, it just sounds dumb. But when you do hear about it, it makes kind of sense. Like I'm I'm I'm loosely on board with it, but it is not. 1:36:09 Speaker 1 On board with it at all. They don't have to like, they don't have to try and make Christianity real, do they? 1:36:15 Speaker 2 No, they don't. But they. 1:36:17 Speaker 1 They don't really even have to tie it to religion. They. 1:36:20 Speaker 2 Don't have to, but this is purely coming from. 1:36:23 Speaker 1 Just let it be science fiction. You don't. Don't delve into other things. Don't try and mix the fucking pot with any old shite idea in the boardroom. 1:36:32 Speaker 2 No, I get it. Just fucking just. 1:36:34 Speaker 1 Tell just tell a story with an egg gets pulled forcibly doing my thought by this Dick that comes out of a vagina that's on a spider. Yeah. Then like smash it in my chest and then let that be the problem. 1:36:48 Speaker 2 Buy me a drink first. No, I I completely get what he's saying. I completely agree with you. The thing is with so the only the guy who created the whole Ridley Scott, he created Alien, right? It was his idea. It was his concept. 1:37:03 The only films he's ever done is Alien, Prometheus and Alien Covenant. They're his films, right? The thing is about Ridley Scott, he fucking loves Christianity and he's very religious. He directed, he directed a fucking religious film the other day, Christian Bale was Moses. 1:37:19 That was the day a few years back, Christian Bale was Moses. Aaron Paul was in a he, he, he, he loves Exodus or something, Gods and Kings, something like that. I don't know. I know Ridley Scott himself is heavily into religion and you don't realize this a lot, but when you go back and watch Alien, there's a lot of people, one of the one of the crewmates, there's like a cross around his neck and they're all, there's some sort of religious that's. 1:37:45 Speaker 1 Fine. 1:37:46 Speaker 2 No, no, I get. I get that. That's fine. 1:37:48 Speaker 1 You can have characters that. 1:37:50 Speaker 2 That are religious, but because this guy himself really likes the idea of like religion. I don't know if he is religious himself, but he likes the idea of the story. He likes the ideas of religion. He likes the ideas of the stories in the Bible. He is taken and he and he is vowing to do it because it is his creation to to link it to something he likes, I guess. 1:38:10 And that's what's happened. I don't necessarily agree with it. I know you don't agree with it absolutely. But the end of the day, Ridley Scott created the Alien franchise. He's allowed to link it to whatever he wants to fucking link it to. 1:38:23 Speaker 1 I just feel the. 1:38:24 Speaker 2 But the ramifications of what he's done. 1:38:27 Speaker 1 Completely over complicated. 1:38:29 Speaker 2 It is because of the ramifications of what he's done is Jesus Christ existed and he was a big, tall, blue balled alien man, right? So I don't know where those fucking paintings have been moved longer came from, but Renaissance paintings, he must have had a wig on. 1:38:48 He must have had a wig on. That's the only way it makes sense anyway. Because of Waylon Jutani and shit are in the next Predator film, and because we've seen some xenomorph schools in Predator 2, we know those universes are connected, right? 1:39:05 So in the Predator films now we we know Jesus Christ exists. We know Jesus Christ exist in, but not in a religious sense at least the fact that it's he's saying it's not a real magical thing. He is saying he was a fucking alien, you know? 1:39:20 Which is a cool concept I guess, but not only that, every now and again when I watch a Blade Runner film, because Blade Runner is also in the same fucking universe, because Waylon Jutani is a company in the Blade Runner thing. They have androids, they have drives. It makes sense it it does fit. 1:39:37 They have off world planets and stuff. Everything does fit. It's not like a oh, it's connected because they mention this. It generally does make sense. So when I'm seeing like Harrison Ford, I have an interview with a robot testing if it's a robot or not, in the back of my head, there's a little bit meant to go. 1:39:54 Jesus Christ is a blue alien, and he exists. And that's the ramifications that Ridley Scott created by doing that one film. And I like Alien Covenant. I like Prometheus. 1:40:07 Speaker 1 OK, you'll just shake. 1:40:11 Speaker 2 I feel like a lot of people don't like Prometheus. Did you like Prometheus? All right, I mean, they never actively told you that, but it was implying about it. I wish I right, because they could have spoon fed it here and done it. Like he's only said about the Jesus Christ thing after the fact. He's not said, oh, by the way this happened. 1:40:26 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. 1:40:27 Speaker 2 He's not said that he's gone. 1:40:28 Speaker 1 He's such a stupid. 1:40:31 Speaker 2 He's gone. Oh no. 1:40:32 Speaker 1 Guess what, by the way? 1:40:35 Speaker 2 By the way, by the way. 1:40:39 Speaker 1 Listen, Wiggly. No good. 1:40:42 Speaker 2 No, he never said that by the way. It was just implied in the scene of where the Prometheans created human life. It was. It's implied that a Jesus Christ was a Promethean and then he was crucified and that's why they hate them. He's never actively like said it. 1:40:58 It's just he said, Oh no, it's implied that this is what's happening. He's never said it. 1:41:02 Speaker 1 He said then. 1:41:04 Speaker 2 He says. 1:41:06 Speaker 1 This is what's being implied in in this. 1:41:08 Speaker 2 Which doesn't mean it's necessarily true, but that's the in that it's loosely there if you want to make those connections. It's not necessarily fact, but it's loosely there. 1:41:18 Speaker 1 If he himself has said this is what's implied, then, then that is the truth, yeah. 1:41:24 Speaker 2 But I, I I appreciate in the films he's never because I remember watching the film for the last time. I was thinking, I wonder if this happened. I wonder if that that kind of makes sense and I had those ideas. 1:41:34 Speaker 1 You had the idea that Jesus Christ was a 10 foot tall because of. 1:41:38 Speaker 2 But no, because of the because of the film Prometheus, it makes sense because it's all about people who were created finding their creator, and they kind of made sense. So if they go, oh, the Prometheans created us, maybe when we heard the story in the Bible, they sent their sundown to, like, make sure we're OK. 1:41:58 That was them checking on us. They never spoon fed that year. Like I say, it was implied. And then when people asked him years later, it's like, is this what you were saying? It's like, yeah, I thought it was fucking obvious. That's what I was saying. So it was implied. But yeah, that's what was happening. 1:42:12 Speaker 1 What I'm getting at? 1:42:13 Speaker 2 Is did you like Alien Covenant? 1:42:14 Speaker 1 What I'm getting at is like, is that it isn't being implied anymore, is it? That is the truth to the story he's telling. 1:42:23 Speaker 2 I feel you have to go out your way to find those interviews. But the film is implied that that's what happens. Still remains. You are correct, yeah. 1:42:30 Speaker 1 Which is a nonsense edition and I will not. 1:42:34 Speaker 2 Generally though, you're gonna go rid of Scots. But it's implied and he said it, so he's a Nazi. 1:42:42 Speaker 1 And that's a Nazi thing to say. 1:42:45 Speaker 2 Jesus being crucified. 1:42:48 Speaker 1 Jesus being big and blue. 1:42:51 Speaker 2 What a nonsense thing. Jesus being 12 feet fucking tall. 1:42:57 Speaker 1 Nonsense thing though. 1:42:59 Speaker 2 But then again, you go like it makes questions like I'm guessing the whole story about the virgin birth and all that stuff's bullshit in this world. 1:43:08 Speaker 1 Is it or is it a chess Buster that just came out of Mermaid? 1:43:11 Speaker 2 It could have been a chess Buster because it was a chess Buster. That would have been a fucking Xenomorph, right? Maybe. Jesus. Jesus. He wasn't. He was a Promethean. Besides, the Xenomorphs weren't fully formed at that era. 1:43:27 Speaker 1 Maybe got some black goop in her right? 1:43:31 Speaker 2 What can Joseph should have got himself? Chat Tiger? He was spun out black goop. 1:43:38 Speaker 1 And then yeah, maybe a Promethean came out of her because of the black goop. I don't even know. Maybe it was a blue goop instead. 1:43:45 Speaker 2 I do think tonight it. 1:43:46 Speaker 1 Turned into a monster. It turned into a fucking big tall get. 1:43:49 Speaker 2 Rid of all this Promethean and shit bullshit and stuff like I I'm very interested in. The thing is what Ribbon Scott tried to do in Alien 1, he said The first Alien. 1:43:59 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:44:01 Speaker 2 There was this scene and everybody asked questions about it for years, and it was when they found the space jockey. And I feel like I can't even say that sentence in this day and age on the Internet because of that fucking film. Anyway, they found a space jockey in this big space suit. He's in a big ship and for for about for about 20 to 30 years, yeah, people have been questioning what the. 1:44:26 So there's other alien races that exist, intelligent alien races that exist, right. What the fuck is the deal with that? He does this film Prometheus. He tries to answer that question. And like you say, less is more. The less we know is probably the better. It's why the joke is best without an origin story. 1:44:41 Yeah. Yeah. You know, you tell me shit. He tried to tell an origin story, the Prometheans, whatever, and love it. I hate it. It's out there now, it's cannon. I personally would like to see more of those. I'm interested in that law. 1:44:57 I'm interested in the law of alien. I'm interested law of Predator now and I would like to see Predators take on Prometheans. Oh, I know. Apparently they're all extinct because Alien Covenant. 1:45:07 Speaker 1 It's on the whole world and it's on. It's on the. 1:45:09 Speaker 2 And I think they're all extinct or something. 1:45:11 Speaker 1 Yeah, there was like a purge, like you'd see there's like a little flashback. 1:45:16 Speaker 2 Yeah, you see the whole planet get put because it was Michael Fassbein who destroyed them all. Or surely not. 1:45:23 Speaker 1 No, he it's like. 1:45:25 Speaker 2 Or did they did they kill themselves with their own hubris and stuff? 1:45:29 Speaker 1 Yeah, that I think he was spectating. I don't know, he's really like he was watching a video of it or something. 1:45:35 Speaker 2 Yeah, me, I can't remember, but saying that they were a space faring species and they went to planet to planet to see these planets, the idea that some of them are still alive is very feasible. You know what I mean? Like the one that we see in Alien is a just obviously it's a corpse in a chair that didn't die on the planet when an extension happened, you know what I mean? 1:45:58 So I would like to see a a predator take on a Promethean just I just kind of think it's interesting and I get more law from both their worlds. Also I would like to see other species exist because other than humans, predators and Prometheans, they're the only actual alien species that exist in the universe. 1:46:18 What we've seen so far. Because the Xenomorphs are a creation shit saying that. So the humans. Which begs the question, did the Prometheans also create the Predators? 1:46:28 Speaker 1 It's like insinuating the the alien races, humans included, only exists because someone else has created them. So then who created the? 1:46:37 Speaker 2 Prometheans, which is the story of, I guess, religion, I guess, and stuff, which is what Ridley Scott wants to pose these questions, which is why we're talking about it. So I guess he's done his job. 1:46:47 The Philosophical Intersection of Science Fiction and Religion I know, but he's. 1:46:48 Speaker 2 I don't I don't like it if. 1:46:49 Speaker 1 If his intention is to make half of the population fucking hate it, then yeah, great job. 1:46:56 Speaker 2 You didn't mind Prometheus? Yes, there's a film. 1:46:59 Speaker 1 Yeah, if I don't. 1:47:00 Speaker 2 Think about it. 1:47:01 Speaker 1 If I go like this whenever. 1:47:03 Speaker 2 And if I put half liners on, that's fine. 1:47:06 Speaker 1 Yeah, if I was watching this guy coil himself up and wait for him to come out of the shape or what? Yeah. Yeah, that scene. 1:47:15 Speaker 2 If I watch that one mistake my chest together, Yeah, that's fun, yeah. 1:47:20 Speaker 1 Show me all the cool shit, don't show me all. 1:47:23 Speaker 2 The first shit prototype Xenomorph. I think it was the first Xenomorph in the timeline. Oh, yeah. Because it was a prototype fit. Not prototype fit. Yeah, it would have been the first Facebooker. The first Facebooker because it wasn't established fully. Yeah, it was like huge and massive. 1:47:39 And it latched onto a Promethean, didn't it? And then what came out of him was like a Xenomorph, but it was like a it was the only at the very end of the film was like a oh shit, a Xenomorph. Whatever, but it like it was, it looked not like a Zena Martha as we know it, but maybe that's because it came out and I can't remember. 1:47:57 It came out of her. I came out of a Promethean. 1:48:00 Speaker 1 No, I think it would come out the Promethean. 1:48:01 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it did so. 1:48:03 Speaker 1 Because the Xenomorph, all that looks like how it does because it's bonded with human DNA. Yeah. So for it to look not like other Xenomorphs, it would have had to come from a different source. 1:48:14 Speaker 2 Yeah, which breaks the question, did the Prometheans create the face huggers as the perfect Organism or did they create the? Yeah, yeah, I guess. 1:48:22 Speaker 1 Well, I mean the the first face huggers were then they're like serpents. 1:48:26 Speaker 2 Yeah, well, snaky things and whatnot. Because again, I like that this universe exists and we don't have all the answers. It's it's speculation. 1:48:35 Speaker 1 I prefer that. 1:48:37 Speaker 2 I do prefer speculation because I do think when you can get together with a group of like like minded people and discuss a film about what you think about it, what do you think about it? What about this theory? What about that theory is a lot better than this is what it is? 1:48:53 Yeah, there's still a lot of that. There's still a lot of questions. 1:48:57 Speaker 1 Here is an argument that I'm going to pose to you, which I think that you will agree with. 1:49:03 Speaker 2 God disagree. Go on. 1:49:06 Speaker 1 Having the whole religious connotation is completely fucking unnecessary. 1:49:11 Speaker 2 It is my Sir, yeah. 1:49:12 Speaker 1 Is unwarranted. I think in any sort of sci-fi thing, it's perfectly fine seeing this alien planet, you know, that stepping on the fungus and the funguses, like you've releasing them spores. The spores are attacking them, you know. 1:49:28 Yeah, seeing these like these serpent face huggers, which aren't really face huggers yet. And like the the only the planet, just leave it at that, can't they? Yeah. It's like, say, with Scavengers Rain, they don't need anything extra at the end of the final episode. 1:49:44 They didn't have to go, by the way, this was an allegory, but God to. 1:49:48 Speaker 2 Be fair, they never said that in the film Prometheus. Well. 1:49:51 Speaker 1 He has revealed his hand to me. 1:49:54 Speaker 2 Because he was. 1:49:54 Speaker 1 Asked, but the fact remains great, he. 1:49:58 Speaker 2 Does, yeah. 1:49:59 Speaker 1 And then when you look at it and you go, Oh yeah, do you know what? 1:50:02 Speaker 2 Because yeah. 1:50:04 Speaker 1 As he said that, I can see that all this fucking bullshit is actually quite prevalent in Scavenger's reign, like with the brunt of the movie, which is just hey look at this alien shit on an alien planet and alien things are happening that are happening to us which Ant bodies have no way of combining. 1:50:23 Just fucking leave it at that. 1:50:24 Speaker 2 I'll rage you that because. 1:50:25 Speaker 1 That is sci-fi. You know it is. 1:50:27 Speaker 2 Sci-fi but I'll rage you this all right? Imagine Rick Wright. OK, the film Prometheus exists as it is, right? The whole religious thing is very heavily implied in that film anyway, because of the whole creationism of it all that's already there. 1:50:42 Theories already existed, which is why he was asked about it. If he said I'm not fucking telling, leave it up to you, OK, Whatever. 1:50:51 Speaker 1 Right. 1:50:52 Speaker 2 No, Yeah, yeah, whatever. But if, but if he said it's completely up to your interpretation, whatever, that's fine. Whatever if there was no definitive answer about it. And if I said to you, oh, there's theory going around that this happened and whatnot, and Jesus Christ, Promethean, whatever, that's what I think. 1:51:10 I think it's applied in the film. That's what I think. And I think it kind of tracks and I think that's kind of cool. You never said it. A lot of people think it as well. What do you think about that? You'd go. 1:51:21 Speaker 1 I don't like. 1:51:21 Speaker 2 It I don't like it bullshit, but I'm like yeah, but it's open to discussion. Is that better than him going? 1:51:27 Speaker 1 I would still say I don't like it because I still think everything I've that I've always said is completely fucking unnecessary doesn't, but it's just a. 1:51:36 Speaker 2 Theory, you know, it's just a thing. And, and like I said, because of, because of fucking Prometheus, it is heavily implied that Jesus, even before he said it, people were already, even before the film came out, people were already theorizing that Jesus Christ was a Promethean. 1:51:53 Speaker 1 Jesus Christ was a space jockey. 1:51:55 Speaker 2 And then in the cinema, everyone went. Space Jockey just started launching popcorn at the screen, just stabbing people in the theatre stands. Meanwhile, Ridley Scott shedded a tear. I think I, I genuinely think it is an interesting concept to bridge our creation and religion into sci-fi because it's, it's not saying God exists, it's just saying we were created by it is. 1:52:27 Speaker 1 Saying that God exists. It's just saying that it's not exactly how it's told. 1:52:32 Speaker 2 Yeah, I, I, I, I, I think it's an interesting idea. 1:52:35 Speaker 1 I don't like it, I think. I think, I think religion has its own place and it's not. But. 1:52:40 Speaker 2 It's not religion. What it is, is it's not religion as we know it like. 1:52:46 Speaker 1 It's. 1:52:46 Speaker 2 What something happened? 1:52:49 Speaker 1 Just because it isn't exact word for word what it's seen in the fucking Bible does not mean that it's not religious. 1:52:55 Speaker 2 But what it is to me, what it is, and I think it's an interesting discussion to have because what it is is like an event happened on the planet, right? Someone was different, whatever. He could do weird shit. We killed him, right? And a religion formed from that, which is like what you can kind of see with modern day shit, with cults and like with political leaders who are like high on the fucking bullshit and the followers they have and the way those stories can be taught and embellished, it could create a religion. 1:53:25 And I get those ideas. And that's like, that's why I'm fine with it because it's like, it's not necessarily like religions real. And this is what it is because it's not. It's just saying like, oh, this is a thing and this is a scientific, this is a scientific explanation to describe this thing. 1:53:40 And it turns out, imagine, imagine if it was confirmed that one day a big giant slog just saw a rock in space and went ZAP. Imagine everybody's minds blowing and we've all invented. Because I, I do think that's a religion star. 1:53:58 Something happens. You have a very charismatic guy. And let's just say Jesus Christ existed. I bet he was charismatic as fuck, right? He must have been because he got a following, right? And people started listening to his words and people started listening to his teachings. 1:54:15 And then over the years it gets embellished and it's like, oh, did you? This is how we started. Jesus Christ pretended he was doing this with his thumb and everyone thought he was feeding 5000 people. 1:54:31 I just think as a religion star most of the time. And I think that's the idea of it. It's the idea of like how we can take something so peg and bullshit and and overblow it into something. I guess. I don't think it's necessarily inserting religion into it. 1:54:46 I just think it's it's the fact that, oh, all these people on earth, you you believe something, you worship something, you're following something, you believe in a higher power. But at the end of the day, it's just some fucking alien that was bored. One there decided to go. 1:55:01 You know what? I'll have a back. I'll do a science project from a high school. 1:55:06 Speaker 1 I'll stuff in the primordial soup. 1:55:09 Speaker 2 Yeah, I guess to me, I find that interesting because it's not religion, is it? At that point, when you break it down, it's not religion anymore. 1:55:17 Speaker 1 Well, no, no, exactly. But what you've just described is not what Ridley Scott's done, is it? 1:55:22 Speaker 2 That's why I interpret it. 1:55:24 Speaker 1 So that's how you've made it better in your own brain. 1:55:27 Speaker 2 Just like I made pirates. 1:55:29 Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 1:55:32 Speaker 2 That's what interpretation is. That's how I've interpreted it. 1:55:36 Speaker 1 It feels like though you aren't fighting Ridley Scott's corner, you're just making your head cannon better than what he's done. 1:55:43 Speaker 2 But that's how I choose to see it. 1:55:45 Speaker 1 So not how he's done it then. 1:55:47 Speaker 2 I think, I think it's open to interpretation and that's how I've interpreted it. It's like you keep making me say interpretation feels like no, that's not a word. 1:55:55 Speaker 1 It feels like you're taking your own idea, not his, and rationalizing it yourself in your own head so it fits what you would like it to be. But. 1:56:04 Speaker 2 I think it makes sense. I think what I'm saying. 1:56:07 Speaker 1 What you've said makes sense, what he said, which is just by the way, it's Jesus Christ. 1:56:12 Speaker 2 What happened basically? 1:56:18 Speaker 1 Hey everyone. Right? Guess what? 1:56:20 Speaker 2 Right this. 1:56:21 Speaker 1 Alien is a mountain. This Big Blue boy is Jesus Christ. 1:56:26 Speaker 2 Right. OK, the mountain thing, the mountain thing, the mountain thing, right. Here's it. The end of that has nothing to do with Ridley Scott. 1:56:42 Speaker 1 Well, he's not going to catch hands for it, let me tell. 1:56:45 Speaker 2 You that right? OK, OK, let. 1:56:47 Speaker 1 Me tell you that. 1:56:47 Speaker 2 The main thing comes from a comic book that was written by somebody else. Nothing to do, nothing to do with Ridley Scott. It was somebody else with his own ideas going. I'm going to write this comic book. It's going to be Canon. 1:57:03 Ridley signed off on it. He's probably never even read it. And no, it's a thing. 1:57:07 Speaker 1 Like there is, there's no, there's no way that Ridley Scott did not. If he agreed something to be Canon to his work, there is no way that he didn't read it. 1:57:17 Speaker 2 I'll tell you something In a recent interview with Ridley Scott recently, within the space of a month, right? It's like, are you going to do anything? It's a producer on the new Alien TV series, Alien Earth. Whatever. All he did is produce it, which means he's looked at the he might not even look at the script, but he's gone. 1:57:34 Whatever make it, you've got my go ahead. But he doesn't own the IP. You know, Disney owned the IP, 20th Century Fox. No one actively is the head creator of it. There's no Kevin Feige of the Alien universe and Predator. 1:57:49 There's not, there's no head on show of it. This is why the Alien franchise is so disenjointed, disconnected because they're all different creators doing their own different things, which is why some of the Alien films don't always work. But he was asked, are you going to do anything more with the Alien franchise? 1:58:06 And he's gone. I've, I've don't know, I kind of don't care anymore. Just let him do whatever they want to do with it. I don't. 1:58:16 Speaker 1 Know, man, he said. It's gone. 1:58:19 Speaker 2 Out he never, he never, the way I'm telling. 1:58:22 Speaker 1 Ideas. 1:58:26 Speaker 2 I'll tell you what's happened. I'll tell you what's happened. You've done exactly what I do when Shaggy tells me Predators and pirates, right? Shaggy says. Shaggy says predators and pirates. In my head I say that's boring as fuck and I create a boring story. 1:58:42 Speaker 1 Guys, I just don't know what else I can do. Why? How can I raise the bar even higher of all the of all the proving Christianity? 1:58:50 Speaker 2 I poorly, I very poorly explained a silly throwaway interview where someone said, is this what's implied? And Ridley Scott's agreed to that and said, whatever, it's so open to things and you've gone, oh, no, it's exactly. 1:59:07 So it's definitely this. It's definitely that. It's still, I think what I've said and my, I don't think the listeners will agree. I think what I said about religion and whatnot and being a facsimile of like something growing from a smaller thing, I think that is very much in line with what he was trying to put into that film. 1:59:29 I generally think there's a clear connection between them two and what you said, what I said is kind of OK. That's what I've taken from what he was intended. Long story short, if you think what I said makes it better, then you agree with what he said. 1:59:44 Speaker 1 If yeah, what way? If what you say is, why? 1:59:49 Speaker 2 Kills Kills was a good film. 1:59:52 Speaker 1 Which you just said again is if he was asked, is this what you were saying? 1:59:57 Speaker 2 I don't know if he said confirmed. 1:59:59 Speaker 1 It. Which is what you said earlier and just then that he did confirm it. 2:00:04 Speaker 2 We have to we. 2:00:05 Speaker 1 But also PS just think what you want which which was an addition that the. 2:00:10 Speaker 2 Again, I'm not 100% sure on these things I butcher in an interview that I'm trying my best to remember from my 15 years back. I don't actually know what he's. I don't even know if he said it. I can't confirm or deny it. 2:00:27 I could have this is this is this is also true because my brain can do this sometimes. I could have had this theory myself and made it all up. That is very possible, but I'm pretty sure it's not. Oh my God. But the fact that he confirmed it, I actually, I don't know if that's true. 2:00:48 It might not be. It might be and I don't know how he went about confirming it. He might have just. 2:00:53 Speaker 1 Gone. Yeah. 2:00:53 Speaker 2 He might. 2:00:54 Speaker 1 Not have desired really. 2:00:55 Speaker 2 Because you're thinking that because of how I presented the first, you're first hearing about it and he. 2:01:00 Speaker 1 Clicked his fingers on Python And you got it. 2:01:04 Speaker 2 And because I took that from an interview that he said that maybe in the actual interview it was something like I'll never tell. And I went that's it, that's it, that's real. That's real. And because I think he goes. 2:01:14 Speaker 1 To the guy, anyway. 2:01:19 Speaker 2 Apps are positively a Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding. 2:01:23 Speaker 1 First prize goes to this guy, I guess. Yeah, I think, I think. 2:01:30 Speaker 2 We get it, We get it. You hate religion. I also hate religion. 2:01:34 Speaker 1 It's God, Betty, and that's what he said. 2:01:37 Speaker 2 But God doesn't exist anyway. God's existing, right? I believe in God. God doesn't exist in that word, and I don't think he's saying God exists in the alien world, because God's not God. It's just a bunch of people creating life. 2:01:49 Speaker 1 Mr. Scott, does God exist? Anyone. Oh yeah. 2:01:51 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, he was a real piece of shit. He's hurtfully back real good. I think if you were to ask Ridley Scott if God existed, say he doesn't know. 2:02:04 Speaker 1 Yeah, like this? I don't know. 2:02:08 Speaker 2 He's saying like he's friends with him and he does not. 2:02:13 Speaker 1 I don't know. Do I alight then? Hey, Mr. Scott, this is going to exist within the the Alien franchise and they'll go no, no, no. 2:02:22 Speaker 2 No, we won't, he'd say. No, because the idea is. The idea is, It's like if man creates a robot and this robot is indistinguishable from man, and it can think for itself and come up with its own thoughts and ideas and its own wants and needs, then are we God? 2:02:41 No. Exactly. That's what the Prometheans are. That's the idea of that film. 2:02:50 Speaker 1 I feel like there's there's a distinct difference between designing an an AI self learning program and then putting it into what is essentially a machine. It isn't organic matter for a start, is it? 2:03:02 Speaker 2 It has organic skin tissue around it, which, you know, it's like permeable. It can breathe and stuff, but the insides aren't organic. Yeah, I'll give you that. Kind of like milk. 2:03:13 Speaker 1 You can. It's like, well, you can put an, but you can put an organic skin on anything. Doesn't mean doesn't make it into anything, is it? 2:03:29 Speaker 2 Put an organic skin offer, go if you want. Don't make it a fox again, does it? OK, OK, OK, I'm being I'm being very silly with the whole sort of like man creates machine thing. All right, we can create life with like through bacteria and cells and share and we can watch these things grow in like patriots and death shoops because we have created life, fungus and whatnot and all that shit. 2:03:55 We then do not become gods. We wait. We have created this life. 2:04:01 Speaker 1 No. 2:04:01 Speaker 2 If you stop in a woman and she gives birth, we give a God. 2:04:05 Speaker 1 We don't create bacteria. We don't create fungus that that just is, but. 2:04:10 Speaker 2 We can create it. 2:04:12 Speaker 1 Hey, what would what? What? 2:04:14 Speaker 2 I'm not a fucking math for scientists. 2:04:16 Speaker 1 What? What do you mean we can create that? 2:04:19 Speaker 2 I'm sure we can create life. I'm pretty sure we can on a microbial level. Whatever. Do we become gods if we create life? If we create living, thinking, sentient things? Just because it's not organic, is it not alive if it thinks and it wants and it needs? 2:04:39 Does he not have a soul? By the way? A good time for this episode would be the existential predators. 2:04:51 Final Thoughts and Classic Simpsons Quote Sign-Off Oh. 2:04:52 Speaker 1 My God. 2:04:53 Speaker 2 And I'm not, no. Anyway, I've been Mike, and I'm saying I'm sorry. I can't hear you, son. I'm in a jacuzzi suit. 2:05:04 Speaker 1 I've been Jack, God said to Noah. There's going to be a flooding, flooding Main came down. It's time to 2:05:23 Speaker 2 Pinch me on this pirate film. I want to be sold on it.