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The cast is predominantly Hollywood actors. Even back in the day, if you're on SNL, you'd go on to have a really big movie career. You know what I mean? Well, Farrell, Mike Myers, like, whatever. Loads of fucking people. Fucking Jason Sudeikis.

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Anyone, really anyone funny in America. Yeah, well, Amy Schumer, not not funny. But you know, point, point stands, who's going to be in the the British one? It's just going to be Channel 4 comedians and not there's anything wrong with that, but.

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Speaker 2 Supposed to.

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Speaker 1 I guess it would be Channel 4 comedians or daytime TV actors. Or the guests will be like reality TV stars, you know, not actual A list actors. Yeah. Where it's like they'll always have a guest in Saturday Night Live and it'll go, oh, this week it's Scarlett Johansson or another fucking mega star, you know, Robert Downey Junior.

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You know, they'll always get a fucking Marvel good person on, though, because it's the flavour of the month of if there's a film coming out, I'm sure Pedro Pascal's been on it recently. And there'll usually be a skit about. No, but Pedro Pascal's on it. A while ago he did that Mario Kart Last of Us crossover dinner.

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Yeah. But yeah, auk Saturday Night Live. Just God it would. God God it. I'm cringing at the thought of it all this week. Peter Andre doing another fucking Jamaican impression but playing it for laughs this time and it's not serious.

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Speaker 2 Hey, Andre is going to block up for us again.

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Speaker 1 It's hard to watch channel. Would it be showing? I feel like it'd be a Channel Four thing, but it's most likely going to be an ITV thing. And if it's an ITV thing, it'll be the but it'll be an and deck on, you know, shitty British. Be the remaining chuckle brother, someone from Love Island, you know, because they really want to get mass market appeal.

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1:50 And that's generally what that is over here. 1:52 Mulder, Scully, Shapeshifters, and Skepticism Shit, other than the things that I've known you've watched, have you watched anything this week or played anything? Have you just been? 1:59 Speaker 2 Watching Exiles. 2:00 Speaker 1 All of exiles. 2:02 Speaker 2 Yeah, like I've said to you, there's but after three season 6, now every episode is an absolute will. 2:07 Speaker 1 You have a particular favorite, a particular arc or plotline. This is the one where like, I don't know, skull is just like in a bra and underwear for no reason. Is that your favorite 1 perv? 2:21 Speaker 2 She's not been, she hasn't been in her underwear for no reason. 2:27 Speaker 1 She's got a reason for it. 2:28 Speaker 2 Yeah, there's been a good reason every time. 2:30 Speaker 1 How often is she doing it and why is more than not joining her? 2:34 Speaker 2 It doesn't that it was I like, I like the episodes. There's been like four or five episodes where Molder isn't Molder for some reason. Like there was a two-part where there was like a Freaky Friday situation. 2:48 Speaker 1 All right, do they swap bodies? Molder Schooler? No, no, because I've been down for watch that 1A body swap episode. 2:55 Speaker 2 But yeah, just seeing David Duchovny acting as a different character pretending to be Mulder is very funny, I think. 3:05 Speaker 1 Is that what was going on in the episodes that I caught the end of? And and it was like, why is why is Fox motor being different? Was that the reason behind that? Or was he just because remember he he became the skeptic for some reason. I can't remember what the plot was, but he was like, no, no, it's not this. 3:23 It's not that stop. It's going. And that ended on a Cliff anger. And it LED into a Part 2. 3:30 Speaker 2 No. 3:31 Speaker 1 It was. It was the Burning Man 1, the guy with the fire sticks. 3:35 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, that, no, it was. 3:39 Speaker 1 Was he just done with bullshit at that point? 3:41 Speaker 2 Yeah, pretty much. 3:42 Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't live through the movie yet. 3:46 Speaker 2 Yeah, but there was there was a shapeshifter that managed to trap him in like this basement sort of janitor's closet type place. 3:56 Speaker 1 Just like a classic janitor's closet. 3:59 Speaker 2 I just locked him in there and then pissed off back to a Quantico with a sculptor and then was just pretending to be Mulder in the FBI just like. 4:11 Speaker 1 Was this shapeshift like an actual human beforehand? Does he know how humans act or was Yeah, Mortar's first human is like, how do I move? 4:19 Speaker 2 No, no, the episode started because like 5 or 6 children were born with this birth defect. Same sort of genetic birth defect, completely different families which have no sort of blood relation, but all of them had the exact same think about. 4:37 Speaker 1 That sounding familiar to me. 4:39 Speaker 2 So that's when Mulder starts sniffing about it, because obviously that's it's. 4:43 Speaker 1 Weird. 4:44 Speaker 2 It's weird it. 4:45 Speaker 1 Sounds like it should be a prime case for an X file. 4:47 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. So we. 4:50 Speaker 1 In Scully, I'm, I'm doing a case where I'm, I'm investigating twins. Well, there's nothing suspicious about that. They were born at the same time in completely different parts of the world. Now, what about Alan Scholar? I'm sure. 5:03 Speaker 2 They're not twins, Mulder. 5:07 Speaker 1 I've got lab results from. I've got lab results from both from both reports. Essentially they. 5:14 Speaker 2 Got Lego? 5:15 Speaker 1 For all intents and purposes. 5:17 Speaker 2 They find a lighter because I didn't bring more like a fucking fool but. 5:25 Speaker 1 You know got one for all intents and purposes called. These are the same person, just born of different pick parents. Oh Morda, where's the other baby born? India. Where's the other one born? Right here in New Jersey. I don't know where The X-Files is based. 5:42 Right here in downtown Chicago. I'm actually going to see the mother right now. Scully, you free to go to India and look at this other baby. Also, both his parents were Indian and the baby's white. Sounds like a prime case for an X File, don't you think? I guess. 5:57 Speaker 2 Yeah, I suppose it is Molder. Let's go. Let's go then. 6:03 Speaker 1 I've got an interview with a mother right now. The one that's downtown. Oh, yeah. Was she's just finishing work. Was that, you know, the local strip club. I'll go Then you go to India, go find yourself with something along the way. Take all the time in the world. 6:19 Speaker 2 So I. 6:21 Speaker 1 Didn't know I'm going Moulder. I just said India. I'll write the address on a piece of paper. It just says India, and it's got a picture of a map of India and a dot just off the centre. That's where you meet in your contact. 6:37 No, I'm late for the strip club. Modi. You're acting awfully different lately. No, I'm a shapeshifter. I imagine that sort of a plot. Did he give it? Give himself When? Anywhere. Like, how long did it take Scholar to go? Did he try it on with Scholar? 6:52 Yeah. Did try, Yeah. I thought you would. I bet fucking David Duchovny wrote that episode just so he could find a way. 6:59 Speaker 2 It'll speak killing David. 7:02 Speaker 1 Don't they like, get it on in the film? Or they have a kiss moment or a charge moment. 7:07 Speaker 2 A little bit, yeah, Yeah. 7:08 Speaker 1 There's always a will. They won't with the thing, but I don't think they ever formally have a relationship. 7:13 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think. 7:14 Speaker 1 I never saw them as like a one I never saw like fucking molder as someone with sexual desires, you know, I mean, it just doesn't come across as like that shit. Interesting. It's. 7:24 Speaker 2 Too busy? Yeah, too busy looking at the cells, isn't? 7:27 Speaker 1 It it's I don't think Scott Scully ever get any relationship in this show. 7:31 Speaker 2 She went on a date with someone, I remember that. 7:33 Speaker 1 Was he a vampire? 7:34 Speaker 2 No, he was. He wasn't being controlled by it, but his tattoo was speaking to him and making him hurt people. 7:45 Speaker 1 Of course it was. Did he end up strangling? Scolding. 7:49 Speaker 2 He tried to kill, yeah. 7:51 Speaker 1 And then I bet the episode ended with and that's why I don't date. That's more to say that to scolding and that's why I don't get in relationships. 7:59 Speaker 2 He's doing a slow quite like, well, well, well. 8:09 Speaker 1 I live in fear that tattoo, cruel, controlled people will strangle me. Yeah, No, I think they have a kiss. I'm sure they kissed in the film or something. They came. 8:18 Speaker 2 Close. Like they were leaning in. Yeah, but then a bee, some skullet and I'll put a stop to that. 8:27 Speaker 1 Fucking caught, bought by a bee. 8:30 Speaker 2 But anyway, yeah, this shapeshift guy because it wasn't an alien, he was just a guy guy play shapeshift. They do a lot of all this person is just a mutant yeah sort of episode, don't they? And this guy was, yeah, he was a mutant, came from like his dad was in the freak show for something as well. 8:49 But all these kids that would be born with the same birth defect, which was a tale. 8:56 Speaker 1 Oh yeah. 8:57 Speaker 2 They did all have the same doubt and it was him and he just kept morphing to different. 9:02 Speaker 1 People. 9:02 Speaker 2 All these women's husbands so we could fuck all these women. So they're really getting caught, so. 9:08 Speaker 1 It's like a fucking Greek myth story. 9:13 Speaker 2 You turn into a swollen back in the side. Oh my. 9:18 Speaker 1 God, hey honey, where are you going? Nowhere. You're not saying that swan again, are you? I said stay away from him. Camera cuts to this alluring swan, raising its eyebrows. Honk, honk, I've got to go. Bye. 9:34 You take the kids to school. You should have done the Zeus method. You should have just turned into Swans and fucked people. It would have been more of a challenge than turn into their actual husbands. 9:44 Speaker 2 The thing is though, is that a woman, I feel like just the average woman would not go for a bird like an actual. 9:51 Speaker 1 It's not even if it worked to them suggest of let him raise the eyebrows I'm. 9:54 Speaker 2 Pretty certain. 9:55 Speaker 1 But you explain about all these. 9:57 Speaker 2 In fact, I am 100% positive. 10:01 Speaker 1 Then I did Zeus get away with it. 10:04 Speaker 2 Because it's a fucking name. I would also argue. 10:08 Speaker 1 Those stories are red hearts because women kept fucking gauchos in Greece. Why do you fuck A? 10:13 Speaker 2 Goose that is actually a God would have more mystical, actual legendary, magical. 10:20 Speaker 1 Far more I imagine the whole goose story came about is because women in Greece kept fucking geese's for some reason and then their excuse was oh I was Zeus. 10:33 Speaker 2 Zeus shaking the face in there. 10:38 Speaker 1 Zeus, you dumb goose, always gooseing up my wife. 10:43 Speaker 2 Such a silly Zeus. 10:46 Speaker 1 So essentially this guy's going around like, sexually assaulting these women. Yeah. You know, Yeah. Did he get done for that? Was that brought up? 10:54 Speaker 2 Yes. 10:55 Speaker 1 Good. Even though it was a 90s, I'm glad that Standard still were around. 10:59 Speaker 2 Like I said, he managed to trap Mulder and then piss off back to Washington with Scholar and then he was like, hey, this is him, I was Mulder talking to Scholar. 11:09 Speaker 1 Trying to be flatter, yeah. Did she go in for it as well? Was she on board? 11:14 Speaker 2 Yeah, she, yeah, he like knocks on the door. 11:18 Speaker 1 Dick in his hand. 11:22 Speaker 2 With. 11:22 Speaker 1 One last report to File Aware. Oh. 11:27 Speaker 2 Jesus Christ. 11:29 Speaker 1 I think you've got a photo large enough for this file. I've been watching the sex files too much. 11:36 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, he turns up with a bottle of wine and he's just like talking being like which he would have had plenty parties with shagging all these other wives it. 11:45 Speaker 1 Was a better character for Moulder though. I think Scully would immediately go what the fuck? 11:50 Speaker 2 I know, but Scully? 11:52 Speaker 1 Scully's loaming. 11:54 Speaker 2 Girls skeptical. Scully doesn't believe anything, does she? So, well, he's playing with drink and she's getting a bit looser. Do you know? 12:03 Speaker 1 Does he drug her as well? 12:04 Speaker 2 No, he's he's just good old fashioned. 12:07 Speaker 1 So now Scully's got to fall and live with the knowledge that she would absolutely go from older if he turned on the charm. 12:12 Speaker 2 I guess so, yeah. I mean, The thing is, is that I always see him as they do love each other. It's just not particularly in a romantic sense. 12:21 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like they kind of look after each other or bounce each other out. It's like Moda's got himself into some situation, you know? Essentially the premise is Skull is there as Moda's handler just to stop him from getting too crazy and off the rails to keep on track of him. 12:40 Also report on all these weird fucking things that he keeps chatting about. 12:45 Speaker 2 That is definitely how it started. She was given the Exiles assignment as just keep him because he's a fucking idiot. 12:51 Speaker 1 He's in the basement for a reason. 12:53 Speaker 2 He's a weird little cunt. He just fucking anxiety shit's about alien or whatever, just gonna make sure he's not actually doing anything that's weird. Like if. 13:03 Speaker 1 He starts talking about his fucking sister. Slap him. Second year in it. 13:08 Speaker 2 But as the CVS goes on, she does witness all these different things. She doesn't necessarily believe everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she at least witnesses, and she can. 13:19 Speaker 1 She tries to rationalize everything. 13:20 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, she'll rationalize things with what she knows, which is science. She's a scientist. She's she's adopted by trade and shit. 13:26 Speaker 1 Molders believes in science as well. 13:29 Speaker 2 Yeah, but he's. 13:30 Speaker 1 You say school is a fucking scientist, but you know, mention God or anything mystical she's all fucking on board with. I didn't, Cher. 13:36 Speaker 2 Yeah, because the question, that's what Christians are like. Yeah, I'm crazy for that shit. 13:40 Speaker 1 They are. Well, I think she gets all pissed. She has all pissed. Yet motive for being skeptical towards her religion. I've shown you absolute proof of all these weird fucked up things that I've seen. You've not shown me one God. 13:54 Speaker 2 I'm only asking for one. I only want one of them. 13:57 Speaker 1 And you're telling me that there's fucking 3 posing as one? I'm only asking for one, Scully. The other week we were on a fucking spaceship surrounded by bees. One God, where is it? 14:11 Speaker 2 Hey Scully, do you remember when we went to travelling carnival circus place and that guy's conjoined twin kept separating itself from his brother's body to try and find a new host, but then always kept coming back because he couldn't find someone suitable? 14:28 And it was a real total recall situation. Remember that. 14:34 Speaker 1 I recall it. 14:36 Speaker 2 Show me a girl there. 14:40 Speaker 1 Where in the Bible did it say this man could do this? Does so I imagine they get it on. How far do they get it on? Does it like just making? How do they get to heavy pay him? 14:51 Speaker 2 They're about to kiss with the real Mulder person. 14:54 Speaker 1 How does school is a skeptic react to seeing? 14:58 Speaker 2 She's like looking at the door from her point of view. That's Mulder, too, who's just alive. 15:04 Speaker 1 The imposter. The one who's not trying to French. 15:10 Speaker 2 She's like looking at them both like it's like what the fuck is happening? And then real mold is like knock off. Now behave yourself. 15:19 Speaker 1 Scully, I'm flat. I thought you would do that for me right now, but I'm just, I'm not into you like. 15:24 Speaker 2 That and then fake molder molds back into what is true for me he. 15:28 Speaker 1 Should have left it for a little bit. He should have pretended, yeah. 15:32 Speaker 2 And she's like. 15:35 Speaker 1 Jesus Christ, is he that? Is he that repulsive? He's. 15:39 Speaker 2 Not that ugly, no, but he's like, he's like TV ugly. Yeah, I guess. Which is just a normal average looking guy. He's. 15:48 Speaker 1 A bit bit overweight guy. Yeah, yeah. Bit greasy. Yeah. Immediately as a wife beater on stains, don't it? Why would you put those clothes on yourself if you can just do that? Did she come to some sort of rational explanation about it or was it just Oh, no shape shifters existing or whether this is something I have to just to live with? 16:07 Speaker 2 A gene mutation like she's she's perfectly fine with things if science can explain it. It's just that if if it's just a light in the sky bullshit is what she's oh God, oh God's real. 16:21 Speaker 1 The light could be God. I'm sure sometimes she's seen a light and she's like angels and like Fox motor walks in the room and goes no click, just the big light. OK, not everyone's an Angel. I imagine if X-Files ever did do an Angel episode, like a real meeting of an Angel. 16:39 One, it'd be under the guise of a mutation, a government experiment thing, someone pretending to be an Angel. Or two, it will be an actual alien. Three, it would look like the biblically accurate Angel. You know the fucking fire and wheels and wings and a billion eyes. 16:55 Don't be scared. Be not afraid. Jesus Christ, what is that? Don't be scared, my child, The Lord and Savior is going to visit you in the night and come in your you're going to have you're going to you're going to carry his son to birth. 17:18 Bye. It wheels off back into the sky, leaving a trail of fire behind it. And then as it disappears in the sky, 2 flaming numbers appear in there and it says 891889. 17:36 That's sorry. And then yes, a knock on the door and she goes, sorry. Is it Magdalene? Yeah. Murray Magdalene. Yeah. I didn't think you'd be here, but I've been carrying this letter for like 200 years. 17:56 He said you'd be here. I'm more surprised that it says something about he's alive and he's he's in the yeah, 1889, living in the Old West. Then Murray runs outgoing. Holy shit, the doc's alive. He's in the Old West, but he's alive and that's how the Old Testament ends. 18:18 Leading into the New Testament. That's how X-Files would do an Angel. I genuinely think they would, well, to some degree, something like that. Maybe the Back to the Future references wouldn't be there. 18:37 Speaker 2 None of those. 18:39 Speaker 1 Well, you don't think they do, the wings and eyes and flames and share, but you're not afraid. 18:45 Speaker 2 No, I don't think so. They did. They did a very faith heavy episode where it was putting forth both sides, as in heaven and hell were trying to get to these girls. Yeah, quadruplets. 19:02 Speaker 1 Fair enough, was the thought. Identical quadruplets. 19:05 Speaker 2 Yeah, it was separated at birth. They grew up in different parts of the country or whatever. Yeah, and they all have the same birth defect with the hands and they were all in. 19:15 Speaker 1 Similar to the kids with the tails and the kid in India and the kid in Chicago that are also twins. 19:21 Speaker 2 You made that. 19:22 Speaker 1 But it sounds like one of the stories. 19:25 Speaker 2 You can't, you can't say you can't say that they're becoming so realized if you're making these stories, I. 19:34 Speaker 1 Made one of them all but two of them are recurring you're not on about the same kids with the tails are you you're on about four different children with the same defect that are born in different areas right that are twins that's very similar to the kids born with tails and that's very similar to the kid in India and the kid in Chicago it's. 19:54 Speaker 2 Like it's similar in the they were children at one point like everyone else. 19:59 Speaker 1 Born in different parts of the country with the same defect and their identical country. That's exactly my fake Indian story. I could. Well, right? For X-Files, it's just half an hour longer. 20:10 Speaker 2 In the strip club, they would not pay you. 20:16 Speaker 1 There's no dialogue in the script. It's just a stage director that says Molder sips another beer and goes, yeah, shake it, baby. And then, he says, sits in the strip club for the remainder of the episode. 20:28 Speaker 2 Oh my God. 20:28 Speaker 1 Occasionally it's it's crosscut with them fucking Scully struggling to get through customs because Molda silly lined her briefcase with tinfoil weapons but on the inside just to give her a hard time. 20:43 Speaker 2 Anyway. 20:44 Speaker 1 There's these identical quadruplets born in different parts of the country, right? 20:49 Speaker 2 Anyway. 20:50 Speaker 1 Right. 21:01 Welcome to the Cube: God's Lazy Universe Welcome to the episode of Chat in the Cube. I'm Jack. 21:04 Speaker 1 And I'm annoyed that Jack won't take on board my X-Files episodes, which seems very plausible. Oh, sorry, You were saying before downstairs. Like, so Scully does believe in faith and whatnot. Yeah. He told me that there was an episode with a demon. 21:20 Yeah. Is this a demon, like from the underworld demon? Or is it something else? Or like a mutant person? Is it an actual dynamic entity? It's. 21:27 Speaker 2 The Bruce Campbell episode. Yeah, it was 4000. Bruce Campbell is actually a demon. 21:32 Speaker 1 So bar logic, faith does exist because if a demon exist, hell exists and heaven exists. So I guess Modern and Scully are both right. 21:41 Speaker 2 Yeah, I guess, yeah. 21:44 Speaker 1 That complicates things because it's like, did God create all these aliens that are right there as well? Or is each planet got its own God? But it did say he created the universe. But seven days isn't a lot of time. 21:55 Speaker 2 He spent most of that time doing Earth. Yeah, to be honest with you. 21:59 Speaker 1 Trees are Oh no, move that, move that river, put it over there tired and the rest just the infinite cosmos. He got lazy, if you ask me, he. 22:11 Speaker 2 Didn't get lazy. He had, he had a passion project which was Earth and he was like, I suppose I have to put it somewhere. Is it? 22:19 Speaker 1 What day did he create light? Day 2. 22:22 Speaker 2 No, it was the first day. First day he created light. 22:25 Speaker 1 Before it was like the second day I had the impression that he was doing a lot of work in the dark like an idiot. He was there in his workshop, but I can't see squinting. Fucking shit. 22:36 Speaker 2 God, where did I put that? 22:38 Speaker 1 My chisel. Oh, for me sake, my unborn son, Jesus Christ, I guess. But yeah. 22:50 Speaker 2 I'm going over. It's his. Fucking hell, hell, there's an idea. 22:59 Speaker 1 Oh, that's that should be a place of eternal darkness and damnation. I like that. I'm going to send. 23:05 Speaker 2 Send at least half of all my friends though. 23:10 Speaker 1 Even if they worship me all their life, I'm like, you know what? You checked on your wife. You didn't kill your son for man. Hell, hell, oh, did you eat an apple? Hell. Oh yeah, I am going to be a good God. 23:28 Speaker 2 Oh, lovely garden I've made. You know what? I'll go well in this garden. Couple of dudes. Couple of guys actually. 23:35 Speaker 1 Couple of Bros. 23:36 Speaker 2 You're called Adam. This is your wife. She's called Lilith. Wait a minute. Well, this seems to be something I call a radical. Actually, she's thinking things. I don't like that she's. 23:49 Speaker 1 Doing that fucking pole. I didn't pull that though too. 23:52 Speaker 2 Hell. 23:53 Speaker 1 Live in a cave, get one, fine with the other demons. Oh God, a free thinker. Wow, that again? Hey, Adam, what's that over the little behind you? 24:09 What do you do and wife? 24:11 Speaker 2 Wife. 24:19 Speaker 1 Oh, I suppose I best get rid of this pain thing, man. Anyway, no free thinking. If you do have a think, all knowledge of everything's contained on that fruit tree over there. Don't eat it. Don't learn shit. 24:33 Speaker 2 Here's the thing. Like if you truly did not want these three people to eat from the tree of knowledge, you know, poetry in there. 24:41 Speaker 1 I suppose he wanted to like, test their faith. Like at the same time, it's like it's not good enough that I can just create people and I can't give them anything to tempt or why. I need to know that they can 100% trust me and I need to know if they would do anything to stab me in the back. Turns out it took 5 minutes. 24:57 It took 5 minutes for a bloody woman to go behind everything I fucking said. Typical. You know what? Now that you've eaten that fruit, I'm gonna bring pain back. Oh, my ribs still got healed and you're gonna feel shame and I'm making your Dick a bit small and you're gonna be embarrassed about it. 25:15 Speaker 2 Oh God, I have no frame of reference of whether this is a big old small penis for. 25:20 Speaker 1 Example look at mine, blocks out the sun for a week. 25:29 Speaker 2 It's as long as a week. It's ridiculous. That's why, Adam, it's bigger than Christmas. 25:41 Heisei Era Kaiju: Gyaos and Atlantean Origins Moving on from religion, you can blame Eve or you can't blame Eve, but we did watch some films this week, me and they did. We mention on the podcast we were going to watch these films. I was like, no, we did it. Oh yeah, because we discovered them after the podcast. 25:57 Speaker 2 We saw some posters and we thought the this looks like the raddest shit ever. 26:03 Speaker 1 I would still say the posters were probably better than the films. Don't. Don't tell them what posters they were and what films they were for. 26:10 Speaker 2 I suppose you call it the new trilogy. 26:12 Speaker 1 The 90s era. 26:14 Speaker 2 Yeah, the 90s era. 26:16 Speaker 1 Of gambler, yeah, it was. I looked into it. It's not those 90s. Well, the first one and I think the third one, not the second one. They were only dispute distributed that right, Yeah, by Toho. 26:32 They weren't produced or made by Toho. They were still made by the the rival company, which I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but it gives with an S. That's why Gamma and Godzilla have never met. And in the 70s and 80's, the Gamma films, they were literally just a sort of where we want to do that. 26:48 We want a piece of that Godzilla pie. So in the original era, you had your first one which was black and white called Gamma of the Monster. Rather it was just cold. And then after that it was just him versus a series of Kaiju. Some are good, some are silly. Just like the old Godzilla films. Most of them verge on silly. 27:04 Like you might have seen that GIF where Gamma is just swinging around a pole. He lands, He gets ready to fight. 27:15 Speaker 2 He suddenly gets into a battle. 27:17 Speaker 1 Yeah. 27:19 Speaker 2 Well, Lord. 27:19 Speaker 1 But yeah, this is like a reboot trilogy I guess. 27:22 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. So the first movie, Gamma Guardian of the Universe. 27:29 Speaker 1 Speaking of Guardian of the Universe, what did you think of just skipping way ahead forward this? 27:35 Speaker 2 Is going to be a super short conversation. 27:37 Speaker 1 No, no. 27:39 Speaker 2 No, we're going to tell you what the first one's called, and then we're going to tell you the ending of the third one. 27:48 Speaker 1 No, like, OK, because OK, the three films are called Gamera Guardian of the Universe, Gamera Attack of the Legion. Yeah. And Gamera Revenge of Iris. But the name of a Revenge of Iris changes right at the very end before they end credits. And it goes Gamera, the ultimate guardian of the Universe. 28:09 What did you think about that? 28:12 Speaker 2 I agreed with it. 28:13 Speaker 1 I was like, yes, yes, camera, you are the ultimate guardian of the universe. 28:22 Speaker 2 Standing ovation in my living. 28:25 Speaker 1 Room, Honestly, I I genuinely cheered. I was like, oh. 28:28 Speaker 2 My God. 28:29 Speaker 1 Because I at first I thought they tease in a potential fourth film and that's what it was going to be called. But no, because it says 1999, which is when it came out. So they weren't teasing a fourth film because it was the year of Revenge of Iris. Yeah, but it says 1999 Gabra, the ultimate guardian of the fucking universe, Yes. 28:51 Speaker 2 I think it pulled a real new Avengers. 28:55 Speaker 1 On us. Oh yeah. Oh, Thunderbolt situation, yeah, yeah. There should have been an asterisk somewhere in Revenge of Iris because we can get into it. The when we start talking about Revenge of Iris, but Revenge of Iris tiles a little bit is Irish. 29:13 Is Iris getting revenge or is it? 29:18 Speaker 2 We'll, we'll get to that. We'll get to. Yeah. I know that you've made notes about these. I was going to, but decided against it. Yeah. I just couldn't be more to do it at the time. 29:28 Speaker 1 I wasn't going to make notes, but then I thought because I was, I was hoping we talked about it and I get prompted by some things you say and I get reminded. I'm still hoping that happens, but there was a few things which I did notice, but I just had to like, jot down Guy Ross. That's what the birds are called. 29:45 Don't know. And that's what I was saying. And what were you calling them? Yeah, I just got Guy Ross. Like this is ultimate enemy. I think it takes a while for like Gamma to be introduced in the first one because it starts off by showing these birds I guess. 30:01 Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a very, like the first half of the movie is very exposition. Have you? Yeah, figuring out a where this group of scientists have disappeared because they were on this island, right? 30:14 Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, they find this giant landmass in the sea, don't they? And they can't quite figure it out. 30:18 Speaker 2 Yeah, like this island seems to be moving and boats keep crashing into there and at the same time they. 30:25 Speaker 1 Find some fancy rocks on there. Yeah, they well, well, find a tower or something. 30:30 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They find a slob. I was a bit shocked by that because it had elder few thick rooms going round. 30:37 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, they had rooms on it, yeah. 30:39 Speaker 2 Like a serpent. And it was very Nordic mythology. But then he. 30:44 Speaker 1 Atlantis. 30:46 Speaker 2 But then he Pooh poohed that idea straight away. Yeah, it's consider Atlantis actually. 30:51 Speaker 1 Northern Room. Not like, yeah, like Nordic Rooms, but Atlantis, I am remembering it a bit more. No, But like, the whole main family dynamic confused me. I don't know if you gone on to it more. So there's this main family, right? 31:06 There's this dad who I think works in the military. He's the guy who comes home every night and in a Komodo. And you, like, suck it. Yeah, you've got his little girl, right, His daughter. And then does he have a son or does he have an older daughter? Because I know there's a like a teenager or a young adult couple also in that household. 31:25 And I couldn't place what their relationship was because the guy's also, the younger man is also in the military as well into. Yeah. And there's the older woman who's like seemly dating that guy. And I didn't know if one of them was the dad's son or one of them was dad's daughter. And he had two daughters and one of them was just because he came home one night and he was just cooking tea for them. 31:45 I was like, and he seemed a bit taken aback by that. So I was confused about the family dynamic actually. 31:50 Speaker 2 I don't think that the younger man, I don't think that he has any familial ties to him. 31:56 Speaker 1 But he's dating that woman, right? The younger woman, not the younger woman. That's the dollar. The youngest woman. 32:02 Speaker 2 The young woman, ever. 32:03 Speaker 1 Yeah, obviously just work with the dad and just like helping out. 32:06 Speaker 2 I think he. 32:07 Speaker 1 Because who is it that gives the little girl the stone? It's the woman, right? 32:11 Speaker 2 It's the. 32:13 Speaker 1 Young man. Yeah, he's all coolest stone. It might could have been about. No, I don't know. But all coolest stone. It's like the dad's like, holy shit, where'd you get that from? Don't worry about it. It's on the site. There's loads of them. 32:28 And like, well, yeah, but that stone's made of like a fucking substance we've never seen before in our lives. There's loads of them. More. Dad. Is it OK if I keep it? Sure. My. 32:39 Speaker 2 Gosh. 32:40 Speaker 1 He did say those loads of them, but again, it is a substance made from a metal. Didn't they say? They said yeah, made from a metal. That we've just not on any periodic table. I know. 32:50 Speaker 2 Yeah, so that's going on. Science team is missing on an island. 32:54 Speaker 1 Oh, because they get that bird expert and it's the young girl. Is the younger girl the bird scientist, or is that a different character completely? Because it's different because she's driving a bird at the zoo in show. Yeah. And she's like, she gets the phone call. 33:10 Yeah, she's a bird expert. You know, she's a bird expert because she's drawing a bird, really detailed bird. And then she gets a phone call. It's just like a mushy, mushy. And then they're all like, you better come to the island if I don't want to go to the island. There's bigger birds, though, She. 33:26 Speaker 2 Doesn't get called to the island. 33:28 Speaker 1 She doesn't get called to the island. 33:30 Speaker 2 It doesn't. The daughter doesn't like the. 33:33 Speaker 1 Who's the woman in the zoo? She goes to the island, She says, I hope that's what I meant. That's what I'm about it. She's like, oh, I hope they don't go into the island. Oh no, they're going to the island and they want me either. 33:44 Speaker 2 Well, there's the young girl who's going to the zoo like a field trip. She's drawing the bird, Yeah, but then the older woman who's in like a 20s or whatever, she works in the zoo, I think. Yeah, as bird specialist. And she knows the scientist who was on an expedition in this on the island and they got a transmission. 34:04 Speaker 1 It's gonna be very hard to recall. 34:05 Speaker 2 Birds, Birds. 34:07 Speaker 1 It's gonna be recorded. Hard to recall anything because nobody's name sank in and it was very hard to keep up with who's who's sometimes. Yeah, they go from the bird island. I think some of the scientists get attacked though. 34:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, well, the initial team the the world dead. Hmm. So the mystery is worthy gone. What's happened? Because the these hoses have been demolished, destroyed. A bird couldn't have done this, I think. Is that one of the lines? 34:32 Speaker 1 Didn't didn't they like the legend of the Garrus? They've met them before or there's must have been some sort of rumour surrounding them all. They just revealed themselves, no? 34:42 Speaker 2 They just revealed themselves now I can't remember the reason why. Some something to do with the energy? 34:48 Speaker 1 I think, I think it kind of gets explained in the third film, loosely gets explained in the third film about why everything sort of happened when it happened. The story is and I think this does get explained in the first film. The Atlanteans created these giant bird creatures in order to help them outright and then under their own hubris, that fucked up. 35:09 And they'll be like, oh shit, they're destroying us. We need to create something. 35:13 Speaker 2 And make a gamma. 35:14 Speaker 1 Make a Gamma real fucking quick. And then they did. And then maybe there might have been a battle long ago, in ancient times, with Gamma versus the gyrus. 35:23 Speaker 2 Yeah, which which I think is why Atlantis sunk. 35:26 Speaker 1 Yeah, that'd be a good prequel film, actually. Yeah. Gamma, Guardian of Atlantis. 35:32 Speaker 2 A good memorable bit was then finding that massive bird shit. 35:36 Speaker 1 Yeah. 35:37 Speaker 2 Where that woman easily strapped on some latex gloves inside, digging in there and then she found a pair of glasses in the bird and. 35:45 Speaker 1 Following up, I didn't make a note of that. 35:46 Speaker 2 And like a pen as well, It's his pen. 35:51 Speaker 1 It's his glass and his pen. They're the only things that the bird couldn't digest. Do you know what I do remember? Like one of the biggest things that I took away from that first film was Japanese. Fucking beautiful. 36:06 Not the city center like Tokyo or anything. I don't think we ever see Tokyo in any of these films. This talk about monsters going to Tokyo. 36:15 Speaker 2 Yeah, in the second film, the monsters are on the way to Tokyo. Yeah, well, they don't get the. 36:21 Speaker 1 But the sort of outskirts, towns and shit, I'm like fucking beautiful. Because this came out in 93 or 94 or something like that. And it's very much set in the 90s. It's set in the modern times when it was released. And like everyone's still dressed like they would dress like 100 years ago, like in the farms and stuff. 36:40 They've all got like rice hats on. They've got a little. I just thought it was cool. Very nice place to visit. Really nice if it's not being attacked by giant birds, which I've described them looking like as I thought Gamma Guardian of the universe or Gamma versus sock puppet birds. 36:58 Speaker 2 They were too spiky. No in this too. Like flattered. 37:02 Speaker 1 In this in this film, when you see some close up shots, it's definitely a man in a hand doing a hand puppet thing when it's just it's net. 37:11 Speaker 2 Yeah. 37:12 Speaker 1 Especially like that shot of him. So I don't know how, right? So the Garruses are on the attack. They've seen him and stuff and they go how how can we possibly capture these things? What's trap him in a baseball stadium? How did they even get them though? 37:28 They just turned on a big light and they all just went. I can't remember what they were attracted to. 37:32 Speaker 2 They were very light sensitive, so they didn't like being in direct light because they were nocturnal predator. They were coming out of the island, so they had all. Then the helicopters with the high beam spotlight, yeah, guided them towards the baseball stadium. 37:48 Speaker 1 This three and then they. 37:49 Speaker 2 Got them in there, yeah, with all that bait, all that. 37:53 Speaker 1 Yeah, that garage chump. 37:57 Speaker 2 And they started turning on all the floor bikes around the stadium so they wouldn't want to go out of it and they tried to close the close. 38:02 Speaker 1 The stadium lid because that's the reason why they wanted to put them. Did not put them in a cage though. Put them in a cage and then close the. 38:09 Speaker 2 They attempted to close the lid first. 38:14 Speaker 1 Yeah, slow as fork, by the way. 38:17 Speaker 2 Whilst they're in there then they can all take aim with the little tranquilizer dark. 38:22 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, yeah. 38:22 Speaker 2 Shoot them all and then process. 38:24 Speaker 1 All War of Tranks as well. Pellet them with like 50 fucking tranks each. All shoot at once. 38:31 Serena Williams Serve: Gamera's First Kills Yeah. So in this film, there's only three garruses in there. Yeah. Yeah. And so I have to say, is this the introduction of Gamera? 38:40 Speaker 2 It is the introduction of gamma. This is where gamma comes into. It can. 38:44 Speaker 1 I put what I put gamma says no fly zone when first. 38:53 Speaker 2 So. 38:56 Speaker 1 Honestly, they put. 38:57 Speaker 2 A little bit of context. 38:58 Speaker 1 What a good introduction and what a good first. 39:00 Speaker 2 Kill. Yeah, I tell you what. Like these booking birds. These are these booking giant birds trying like get out gum was straight away. 39:12 Speaker 1 Fucking no one. We didn't even hear about him hatching from this landmass that he was in. Yeah. 39:18 Speaker 2 Yeah, I want the listener to imagine you're playing basket. That's. 39:22 Speaker 1 Exactly what I was thinking of. That's exactly what. 39:24 Speaker 2 Shaq comes and smashes the ball out of the way. 39:28 Speaker 1 Oh and he says get the fuck out of me. 39:31 Speaker 2 Which is what I thought of when I first saw it was this is like watching Serena Williams serve because he smacks fucking just one shot fucking he's fucking like a meteor smashes into he's simply dead. 39:55 I couldn't believe it. And then he just turns out and fireballs another one that's 22 are dead within 20 seconds. That's it, right? That third one must have thought, fuck this the other direction. Like I'm not going near him instead. 40:10 What a fucking incredible introduction to the title, Guy. Yeah. 40:16 Speaker 1 Camera is fucking amazing. 40:17 Speaker 2 Brilliant. 40:18 Speaker 1 Like bed comes out of nowhere, batset the fuck out of here. Proper Serena Williams serve a fucking Michael Jordan basketball deflect. It was cool. And it's like, it's the way you just came about the ground. 40:35 Speaker 2 What movement 4 calculated on his part. Straight dead, killed it. Beautiful. 40:46 Speaker 1 I kind of like. 40:47 Speaker 2 Perfect. 40:48 Speaker 1 To to combat Godzilla's atomic breath. I kind of like how they did Gamer's fireballs. Like it's not a beam, you know? They go out and say it is a fireball and it comes out like a fucking sort of like an argument pepper breath sort of situation. 41:06 I'm like, OK. And it seems powerful. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, the other one flies off somewhere, gets bigger over the course of the film. Do what? Right. What's my next night after that? Oh yeah. Then yeah, Gamma like, pisses off, don't they? 41:22 Like after he's killed the first two, he spin wheels out of the Yeah, and it's the first spin wheel I put. The first spin wheel is fucking crazy because it's so fast. He's like Catherine Wheels out of her because I've seen like gifts and clips of like the old 70s one and he's spinning around like relatively slow. 41:38 I have seen a really funny clip, which I'll show you after. It's it's from a film. It's Gamma versus this giant squid, and the gamma is in the air and this squid's holding on under his shell and Gamma's just spinning around making him dizzy. Fuck you. 41:53 Fuck you squid. But yeah, just pisses off I guess. 41:59 Speaker 2 Whatever. We did that fucking Catherine wheel fucking routine. Because that's what it was, right? He was doing it for show. 42:08 Speaker 1 You always thought you need to do it. 42:10 Speaker 2 How does he know where he's going? He's spinning wildly like that. It's like a because he's wild. 42:17 Speaker 1 Like a birds can fly and know where they go in, if they're even if they're blind, they just fall. 42:21 Speaker 2 You're right because usually what he does is he turns into an F16, right? He turns into a fighter jet and just pisses off. His arms turn into actual wings. They flatten out. 42:32 Speaker 1 Does he retract his arms and new? 42:35 Speaker 2 Arms. 42:35 Speaker 1 Do they grow and change games? 42:39 Speaker 2 You asking something which happens off camera? I don't know. 42:44 Speaker 1 There is one point where I'm sure you see his arms. I know at one point he just grows a bone out of his elbow. 42:49 Speaker 2 Oh yeah. Just looking, yeah. 42:51 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Can't remember what film that was in, but he does do that. So I do think he. 42:55 Speaker 2 Can the second one? 42:56 Speaker 1 Though I do think he can morph his shape and morph his arms because like, I guess so he goes from like, I mean when he's got his wings on me, like turtle swimming things, I guess. And when he's in combat mode, he's up his face, the cuffs up, he's ready to throw in that's. 43:11 Speaker 2 Something else really fucking little bit of gamma is that he's a baller. He's a. 43:15 Speaker 1 Baller, I mean. 43:16 Speaker 2 He pulls up his jigs and he'll just fucking go out, yeah. 43:19 Speaker 1 They always say. 43:20 Speaker 2 Fucking brilliant. 43:21 Speaker 1 So like they always say about Godzilla being like the protector of humanity and stuff like that, and that's his thing. But you can always argue that is he or is he just surviving and he just happens to like, like fighting big on the monsters. You know what I mean? They make a conscious decision in this film to show Gamera as a protector of humanity because there's a point where a family's running on on a bridge and a Garrus is coming. 43:44 Also in the arena, we learned that Garruses have like precision laser cutting vision, like clean cut. Anything could be done. Garrus skin can actually protect itself, but there's a woman falling over on a bridge and he makes a conscious decision to put his hand in front of her and protect her. 44:02 Speaker 2 For a little bit of context on that as well, the piece of metal gives this girl a spiritual connection to Gamma. Yeah, they refer to her to her as being a priestess of Gamma. 44:14 Speaker 1 The idea is you wear this, you wear this like sort of gem or this piece of metal. You don't control gamma, but you have a like a spiritual bond with it. Yeah. And I imagine over time, Atlantean priestess might have been and chosen and stuff. 44:29 I don't necessarily know if like 1 drained of all its power and then they just have another gem because there's a lot of gems. You know, they mention it in the first film. There's a lot of fucking gems. We've just got this one here though. But you don't see the other gems. Yeah. So I don't know how it would have worked back in the day with like 50 of them. 44:46 Like this is just like 15 priestess that all have an emotional connection to this Kaiju, Or is it just like one at a time and you've got to ascend to that level or something but not normally? Do you have an emotional connection with it? You feel it's fucking pain. 45:01 Speaker 2 Yeah, you. You feel what he feels and think what he thinks. 45:04 Speaker 1 So yeah, she's always aware of when Gamma is about or when it's coming near. In the original sort of 70s and 80s films, his full title was Gamma, Garden of the Universe, Friend of the Children. Because he's got like a, it's like a King Kong thing I guess. 45:22 He King Kong like just loves women, just loves toe blonde actresses. Gamera feels the need to just protect children and young people. Guy's got a soul. He's a cool guy and he is a brawler. He is a scrapper. 45:37 To me. He feels like an underdog wrestler. He feels like he's constantly in a featherweight division going up against heavyweights. 45:46 Speaker 2 Yeah. 45:47 Speaker 1 Not not those first 2 kills though. Piece of piss bap fireball, get fucked. 45:55 Speaker 2 Yeah, just a fucking great movie with it. 45:57 Speaker 1 Do you know what? Beautifully shot in some months as well. Then there's a bit When Guy Ross attacks this giant clock structure thing in Japan, it makes its nest on top of it, and then the sunsets behind. 46:09 Speaker 2 Yeah. 46:11 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And it's like makes its nest and now the sunsets behind it a little bit. I'm like it's beautiful shot. It's really nice, although there is a point when the government are like firing missiles at it and then it just deflects those missiles it did tracking him, and then it blows up the missiles blow up the tower on that and then Gyrus makes his nest though, and then like fuck, did you write a missiles? 46:36 He's just though he's. 46:37 Speaker 2 Sleeping. He's asleep. 46:39 Speaker 1 Also, what annoyed me is this happens again in maybe all the films, every time Gamma's fighting a monster, a monster that's actively killing people, a monster that's eating people because they have this line. This was a dumb fucking line in the film where there's Gamma's two of these birds and there's only one left, right? 46:59 And then one guy's in this like, cabinet meeting or something, and it's like, Oh my God, this bird's going to be rarer than this other bird. That's already fucking rare. I'm like, yeah, there's only one of it. And then the other guy pipes up and he's all like, yeah, but that rare bird don't eat people, does it? And you get the impression that the military are more inclined to attack Gamera than the gyros. 47:20 Speaker 2 Yeah. 47:20 Speaker 1 I'm like, why? Gamera's clearly gone out of his way to show that he's protecting people. 47:25 Speaker 2 You know the trilogy though. 47:26 Speaker 1 They're always like, Oh no, Gamera's fighting that big thing that's killing everybody. Ignore the big thing that's killing everybody. Kill Gamera. 47:34 Speaker 2 Go after that, there's some weird. 47:37 Speaker 1 Briefly, Gamera. 47:38 Speaker 2 Like I've been better against him for some reason. 47:41 Speaker 1 I mean annoyed me every time I don't. 47:43 Speaker 2 I don't understand why they do though it. 47:45 Speaker 1 Genuinely annoyed me every time. I'm like, why? Why are you fighting Gamera? You get the sense of like. I think they do a good job of doing it as well. So from the first to the third film, like I say, Gamera is clearly shown as a protector of people. I think someone has a line in the first film not saying, is Gamma protecting people or is it protecting the planet like the Earth? 48:06 You know, what happens when people keep destroying the planet? Is it gonna come after us as well? And I think by the third film, he's kind of just done with people. Yeah, you know, as a joke because I think obviously this gets explained a bit more in the third one, but my head cannon is Gamma has severed his connection. 48:21 Yeah. To like the priestesses or anyone who can carry that thing because it's like, you know what? Humans, and it's probably the military that did it. 48:29 Speaker 2 Yeah, what happens at the end of the second movie? All the talismans. 48:34 Speaker 1 Get destroyed. 48:35 Speaker 2 Yeah, they sort of crumble away, don't they? 48:37 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like cameras. Like, you know what? Fuck humanity. 48:42 Insectoid Invasion and Gamera's Unibeam Power Once I've finished this Legion, I'm out of it. 48:45 Speaker 1 Tough work. How does how does the end fight go between? Because throughout the film, every time Gyrus eats or feeds, it gets a little bit bigger. I've not really got any notes on the end, and I can't remember how the end fight went. Yeah. 48:58 Speaker 2 Do you know what I I was hoping you'd fill? 49:00 Speaker 1 In the no, it's sort of like I don't think they had a sky. Did did they have a sky? There was a moment where they were both in the fighting and then the government was like, no, fight the missiles of Gamma by the missiles of Gamma. I can't remember how Gamma actually defeated the thing. 49:13 Speaker 2 I think he fired both in close range. Did they? 49:15 Speaker 1 If I bought him close, yeah, that was it. They were fighting in a sort of plant or something. Not like a nuclear power plant, but they were fighting in sort of like a, a big plant thing, not plant as in botanical, you know, a factory sort of thing. 49:31 And then there was explosions and shit going off everywhere. But Gabba absorbed all the fire because that's one of his abilities. Apparently he absorbed a lot of the fire from the plant. I used that to do a massive fireball. And I'm pretty sure this garage just exploded. 49:44 Speaker 2 Oh, you did? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 49:46 Speaker 1 Into like 1000 pieces. And then no, that's what happened because this little girl had a cut on her arm and a cut on her cheek. Gamera looked her, healed her with his mind, and then I thought he was going to give her the old thumbs up. 50:01 Speaker 2 He just dapped them up in the middle of the. 50:03 Speaker 1 Place. Well, no, it's like, so Garris has been defeated. The little girl's holding onto a a gem unless she's got around her neck. And then Gamera looks her, but he doesn't give her the old thumbs up after it's all said and done. But he does give her one of these. Yeah, a slow nod. Yeah. 50:18 And then she gives the slow nod back and it's like, Oh yeah, cool. And he pisses off or goes back to the ocean or wherever he's from. 50:26 Speaker 2 So Gamma 2A type of legion that legion is. 50:31 Speaker 1 An alien it. 50:31 Speaker 2 Is an alien. It's an insectoid alien race. I thought it was very Starship for you to say. Yeah, because they are just big bugs. They're very stabby. It's very. 50:42 Speaker 1 Stabby and very Manda bully. Especially the main main one or the queen. I guess. What's happening in this one? It's just like thousands of bugs and they seem to be setting up a nest or something. 50:56 Speaker 2 They're like a colonizing race, so they all came down. 51:00 Speaker 1 Violent. This one was violent. And if you're super, if you remember, there was a bit where they're in the because they start in the underground or there was a bit in the underground. They were on a train and then this train just plowed into one or it didn't plow into one or it attacked the driver of the train, but blood just splat that windscreen. 51:17 I was like fuck, Jesus fucking Christ. 51:20 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. What they do is they go onto a planet, then they create a hive, which is essentially a massive flower with a pod full of eggs that then builds up pressure, will explode, and then fire off the eggs to land on another planet. 51:36 So yeah, down we said, no, we're not doing that. 51:43 Speaker 1 Where did the actual Kaiju come from? Because it didn't come from an egg or a flower. Was it just already on the planet? 51:50 Speaker 2 No, I think it came at first flower. I think gamma. 51:53 Speaker 1 Destroyed that first flower well quick and the second one, the second one he destroyed but it was very close to hatching and he destroyed it a little bit too late and he caused a nuclear explosion and decimated a tone and it. 52:06 Speaker 2 Blew up in his face. It was a four mile radius fireball. 52:11 Speaker 1 Yeah, Gamma can take a new a blast to the face and when he when the explosion was like because he was at point blank range and I think it weakened him, I think it demobilized. I think he had a sleeper after it, but he was like in place. It was insane, the fact that he could survive that, but I think he felt a little bit guilty as well. 52:30 I will say that one of my first notes in this one is it has weird edits. Like I noticed like, so when they were flashing back to something, it was just freeze frames of things that happened, you know, like further on in the film. Yeah, it was a straight. 52:45 Speaker 2 Like A1 frame every two seconds type thing as well, yeah. 52:49 Speaker 1 It was very bizarre and at first I thought it was my TV glitching, but no, it's just the weird edits of that. 52:54 Speaker 2 It's same. I thought, oh, maybe my internet's on the Fritz and it's to catch up or what something. 53:00 Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's just a directed stylized choice because every time they'd flashback or if they'd talk about Legion or something happened, it'd go back, but they'd show you what happened, but only in a single frame. 53:11 Speaker 2 I sort of rationalized it myself as being the maybe that was a way to still show violence and golf without actually showing violence. 53:20 Speaker 1 Yeah, because they did that. So I think, I think that's like a Japanese horror technique sometimes that they do do, right. They'll just show a single freeze frame and it'll just be like, you know. But yeah, I was annoyed about the second one because I'm like, is this going to tie into the first one at all? Is it going to have any sort of connection to it or is it just its own story? 53:39 But I'd say about halfway through they start bringing in elements because I think the the first clip, and I was blown away by this for a reason. You see that you're, I think you see the young girl with a friend and she's going somewhere in the airport. She's on the phone to someone. 53:55 And my note is for that was 2 girls on the phone. It looks like it was literally shot last week and filmed in 4K. Why was it so clear? And so I don't know if you noticed it, but the rest of the film looks like it's like from the 90s. 54:11 But that shot is like the clearest shot I've ever seen in my goddamn life. Did you not pick up on that fair film? I can make 95. We must have been watching like a 4K restoration remast for something because it looked too good, too good. 54:27 I've also got a note here. So there's a point in the film where Gamma has gotten, I think he's going towards the first flower. He's like, I got a sense that something bad is going to happen. I need to destroy that flower before it, you know, pollinates or does what it does. He's getting attacked by thousands and thousands of legions. 54:44 Speaker 2 And he's fucking covered. 54:45 Speaker 1 They are crawling all over his body and my note was if only Gamma has a way to spin these things off his body. If only you think that'd be the first thing that he thinks of. He does eventually do it, but after they've like he's fallen to the ground because he he does spin away and I think to get the remainder him off his body, but he's he paints bit passing buildings with his blood because he's been like cut to ribbons. 55:14 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think maybe like when they started calling all all over him, I think maybe he just like freaking out. Like what the fuck is this? Oh my God, is it? 55:24 Speaker 1 No, you should. You should have just jet off into the sky and get a wicked Catherine wheel spin. That would have got rid of them. But then again, maybe he's thinking if I do that, I am just sending them further and wider all over the city. I don't know, maybe that was his logic. 55:39 But these, these legion bugs, they're like attracted to like radio waves or something. 55:45 Speaker 2 Yeah, there's a specific frequency because. 55:48 Speaker 1 They only eat people with like radios on them. 55:51 Speaker 2 Yeah, they were attracted to it. It's the same frequency as what seemed like some some of the neon signs. 55:57 Speaker 1 Yeah, because they like the electricity as well. Yeah, it's like a essentially just like a bug to a light situation. There was a scene, which I did enjoy quite well, where it was some guy wanted some other guy to turn on the electric power, and I'm not fucking doing that. And he's like, no, just do it, Go on. 56:13 And he goes all right, then does it. And then the other guy rushes over there and then the one of the bugs gets into the building. Yeah. And. 56:22 Speaker 2 This is something that I wanted to bring up actually. 56:24 Speaker 1 Go on, how did it gather all? 56:27 Speaker 2 Well, yeah, firstly. 56:29 Speaker 1 Just walk through a door or buried up on the. 56:31 Speaker 2 Ground but. 56:33 Speaker 1 Wait wait before all these. 56:34 Speaker 2 Bugs are attracted to the thing that says, wait, why did that one thing? What's what's in this house, actually? 56:42 Speaker 1 Way before this, there was a point I think Gamma was going after the first flower, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it might be the one of the first times introduced he choose the guy predominantly lives in the ocean, right? He proceeds to enter this city underground and come up through the floor. 57:00 What you doing, Gamma? Do you want the military to hate you? What you doing swimming under the fucking city? I don't think Gamma is an idiot. I think he's one of the more cognitive kaijus. I do think he's smart and he can think. He's probably. He's probably more intelligent than Godzilla and he's probably more intelligent than King Kong. 57:21 I think so. I know, yeah. What are you doing coming out of the fucking ground floor? Was it maybe he was hoping for another cool entrance just backing one of somewhere? 57:29 Speaker 2 Else. 57:30 Speaker 1 Yeah. And then instead of that, I just got swarmed by 1000 bucks essentially. What? 57:36 Speaker 2 Happened my special move. 57:41 Speaker 1 What happened to him is what happened to his Ahmad Dijawi in the moment when he gets covered by 1000 scarrots, because it did look horrific. There's that many bugs on him. You couldn't see Gamma anymore. It was just 1000 fucking bugs crawling all over him. But yeah, they're in this facility and there's this one bug and because there this guy gets and there's like, turn off all your radio, turn off all this and stuff. 58:04 But one bug does just wandering. 58:06 Speaker 2 Yeah, and that guy from the military saves the day. 58:09 Speaker 1 Bat, bat, bat. 58:11 Speaker 2 Because somehow this man knew Gunkata. 58:15 Speaker 1 Yeah. 58:17 Speaker 2 It was cool. It was, it was really fucking cool. But again, he looks like Christian Bale in equilibrium. 58:26 Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, and it was cruel as fuck. 58:32 Speaker 2 I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is, what was that for the rest of the movie when all these insects were murdering all these these? 58:40 Speaker 1 Right. It's only good for one insect. There is. He's only got so many bullets. He's one guy. These things are like the size of like, I guess a small horse or a horse. What about the size of a horse? Yeah, maybe a bit smaller. 58:56 I don't know. Well, they definitely got armour playing and chill on. Yeah. And did you want him to go outside? Because obviously at this point they've attracted them all on this big fence. 59:04 Speaker 2 The whole fight scene started with him doing a Trinity dodge. This. Oh yeah, it's straight in his back. 59:13 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, I completely forgot the mention. All these fucking insectoid bugs. 59:17 Speaker 2 They've. 59:17 Speaker 1 Got a big one eyeball. Yeah, yeah, they've got a big weak spot eyeball and they look like generally, though I designed of like old, I guess Japanese demons. They've got that one eye thing. Yeah. So I'm thinking maybe that's where we took some inspiration from. 59:34 I was like shooting the fucking eye that data if you're gonna be cool and share. But yeah, they've essentially created a giant bug light. Do you want him to go out and shoot them all on on the Fence? No. 59:47 Speaker 2 Obviously not because they're they're no dormant on on the fence. Do you know what I mean? Don't worry about that. 59:53 Speaker 1 Well, they come in, don't they, like flame them all off, though? I'm sure they're like, because we're going to kill them all here. Yeah. And why they're still sucking on the electricity, Yeah. Then they either machine gun them all and they'll walk down all that a series of flames. But the main Kaiju itself or the main legion Gamera did a lot of fucking fire blasts on it and I got frustrated every time because. 1:00:13 It can just seamlessly, it can just absorb them. It can just like it just does its electric pulse with its pincers and it does this like sort of and it just absorbs it and it does no effect. But Gamer keeps trying and he does this really fucking cool moment or I don't know if you thought it was cool as fuck as well. 1:00:31 Gamma, I can't remember if he's spinning in or he's just jet fighting in, but he's ohh, yeah, he's spinning it. I think he's spinning it. He's spinning in and in middle. He pops his legs out, he lands, he's skidding back. He does. 1:00:45 Speaker 2 He's Sonic on a grind wheel. Yeah. And he's he's doing this like wide circle around this guy. 1:00:55 Speaker 1 Constantly going and. 1:00:56 Speaker 2 He's in constant motions. 1:01:00 Speaker 1 Fire breath and him constantly and he's doing nothing to this thing and I'm right. This is the coolest moment. But every time I see this thing like absorb A fireball, I'm like, it's not working. You need to evolve Gamma and do something more. 1:01:14 Speaker 2 The words I said out loud when I was watching that was cheating come. 1:01:19 Speaker 1 To Gamera. Oh, the. 1:01:21 Speaker 2 Guy absorbing all the fireballs. Cheating bastards. 1:01:25 Speaker 1 Imagine if you were playing like a Mortal Kombat or or a Street Fighter and every sort of projectile fire blast you did someone just counted it with something. You'd be so fucking frustrated. Especially that coolest fuck entrance from the Catherine rule spin to the slide because he he does circle it as well. 1:01:45 It's constantly on a on a backside grind rail. Like you said, Sonic on a rail. 1:01:50 Speaker 2 Yeah, just. 1:01:52 Speaker 1 Pepper bread in. 1:01:53 Speaker 2 A really wide circle around him and he does it. This is going on for like a minute. 1:01:58 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like a close up of his feet, like going up ground. Again. He's in a big factory setting as well. While he's doing it all, there's power lines nearby. This is so fucking cool, but do some damage to this thing. I'm sure at one point he grows and blades out of his elbows and gives him one of them. 1:02:16 Speaker 2 Yeah, well, he does realize why fireballs is not my thing to there. So he gets himself ready and he's got his elbows open. He just closes on this guy. 1:02:32 Speaker 1 It really does give me an underdog, rocky situation. 1:02:36 Speaker 2 And he just starts working the body 1st and then these things like opening his mandibles, which goes, you know what? Fuck yeah, open wide, Dick. And he breaks them and he's got one in each arm and he pulls them off. And then he's staring it down with his with his mouth in his hand, and then he does that slow. 1:02:56 I'm gonna throw that one, and then I'm gonna throw the other one. And then he puts his jigs back up. This fucking this Legion. 1:03:03 Speaker 1 It evolves, don't it? Yeah, yeah. Well, it. Oh God, I completely forgot because. 1:03:07 Speaker 2 He can't charge up anymore, it has him laser lashes his face. 1:03:12 Speaker 1 Paling instantly. Yeah, it's right. It's nuts. If you want a visual, it's got like laser whips, I guess. And then go in 10s of the dozen. And anything they cut, anything they interact with, they just cut clean through. It's whipping around like there's no rhyme. Oh, do you know? 1:03:27 Speaker 2 It's like the edge of them has a dart that can fire and they fire through a Gabbler. Yeah, multiple points in his body. He's. 1:03:34 Speaker 1 Getting impaled and stabbed in somewhere. It might be like a pinprint, but it's going straight through him. I would say. The way they dart and whip around reminds me of like when they open up one of the dogs in the thing. You know, it's got all those red tentacles and they're lashing around wildly or and it's trying to find. 1:03:51 So it's like that, but it's like that when it's not focused on anything, but when it's on gamma, it's like laser beams cutting straight through and they they hold that for a while. Like they just stay in it and Gamma's like, I could take it. You're being stabbed a million times. 1:04:08 Also why this is going on? I'm like, is there not a little girl somewhere in the world just feeling this game? 1:04:14 Speaker 2 No, no, because he's already brought the connection fight to this fight, which is the main fight of the movie. Prior to this fight, it is thought that he is actually dead and he has that shot of him with the sunset behind him and it looks like the death of a samurai, doesn't it? 1:04:29 Because he's like. 1:04:30 Speaker 1 Oh, it's when he blew up his knees. It's when he blew up the second pot in it. He was so close to the nuclear explosion. Yeah, whatever explosion, for all intense purposes, it was a nuclear bomb, went off in his face. 1:04:43 Speaker 2 Yeah, so he was thought he was dead because he was there for like a full day that. 1:04:46 Speaker 1 Tells me could survive an atomic blast by Godzilla. Maybe one I? 1:04:51 Speaker 2 Think so, yeah, as well. He drew all the energy from fire as a way to heal himself, which is how he essentially revived and came back to life then. Yeah, right. Which is when the talismans crumbled. So she no doesn't have the connection. 1:05:05 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're correct. 1:05:07 Speaker 2 I can't remember exactly what happened after that. Oh. 1:05:10 Speaker 1 Gamma started something mana, right? 1:05:12 Speaker 2 The big league thought we fights all this guys done for, he's dead, whatever. So he starts making his way towards Tokyo. Still to. 1:05:20 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:05:21 Speaker 2 Create a plant again again we gets up sucks manner from the whole of the earth we. 1:05:27 Speaker 1 Don't know it's manner yet. We just think he's doing a spirit bomb thing. You only find out what could. 1:05:33 Speaker 2 Be chi it could be chi it could be anything. 1:05:35 Speaker 1 We generally only find out what he's powered with in the third film. Yeah. Yeah. But you see all this energy coming from the Earth, He could be drawing it from the Earth itself, you know, because like he says, he is upset to all the planet God of the fucking universe. 1:05:50 Yeah. 1:05:51 Speaker 2 So once he's finished sucking up all this manner, Gamma's chest plate opens and he fires off his arc beam. His arc reacts with his chest, my nose. Essentially, he is Iron Man. 1:06:04 Speaker 1 My note is unibeam. Fuck yeah. Honestly my jaw was a gape when he did it just. 1:06:14 Speaker 2 A lot of the stuff that Gamma did in these movies genuinely had me fucking. 1:06:18 Speaker 1 Not as cool than what I did in the third film at the end. What a fucking guy. 1:06:24 Speaker 2 We'll get to it. Let's not speak of it for Mitchell. 1:06:28 Speaker 1 No, we won't. 1:06:29 Speaker 2 So Gamma fires off this unit beam completely annihilates the final legion. 1:06:34 The Girl, The Cat, and The Dreamcast Lore It looked in my head, it looked like when Khyber got like fucking blasted with, oh, what's it called? Exodia. Exodia. Yeah. And then it all goes like black and white and all the lines. It's like. But yeah, it just gets decimated instead. 1:06:51 But no camera has that ability to just, I don't know, the energy of the Earth can concentrate into a chest cannon una beam. And he did it. He found a way to win. 1:07:04 Speaker 2 In it. 1:07:04 Speaker 1 Yeah, the The Girl with the Stone. Same actress, I think the same actress for all three films. So yeah. 1:07:11 Speaker 2 You're using the same same as the zoo expert that was the same actor. Yeah, the cop in the first one was. He was in the third one. 1:07:20 Speaker 1 That's who that was. I may know of it. Like in the third one I was like, because the third one's like mostly linked to the first one. I very much say it's the die hard with a vengeance to die hard. And it is like sort of a revenge revenge story I guess because it's similar creatures does this like homeless, sort of disheveled guy on the streets. 1:07:41 And I knew it was, I knew it was a character from the first film because the opening credits are the first one essentially just tells you and shows you all the characters and shit that you need to remember from the first one. It's a very much, I'm previously on, Yeah, yeah. Situation. But I'm like, who is this homeless sort of guy that this girl's picked up off the street? 1:07:59 I do not recognize him from the first. I think it's because he grew a beard and he looked a bit more. He was rubbing. 1:08:04 Speaker 2 Really great as well. It's the guy. 1:08:07 Speaker 1 It is like 8 years out of. 1:08:09 Speaker 2 The island looking at the bird shit. 1:08:11 Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't make an eye. Who the fuck is this guy, Jack or not? Because you're more observant than me and I'm like, whatevs. But yeah, we'll get into the third film, Revenge of Iris. 1:08:20 Speaker 2 Revenge of Iris. 1:08:21 Speaker 1 Starts off opening, I can't remember what fight it was that he did with Guy Ross, but it was a fight with Guy Ross and it shows some clips of it but from the point of view of this child. 1:08:32 Speaker 2 It's during the final fight were the third week, Giles. Yes. Perched on the radio tower. The city all time should have been evacuated. Well, for some reason there was still that one family that was pissing about. 1:08:48 Yeah, in Ground Zero, mind you. 1:08:50 Speaker 1 What you fucking doing because a lot of the time on the news captures it was all like turned devastated. Luckily enough people got out. It literally made a part of saying that in every big attack. I'm guessing I did say millions died in that one nuclear blast. But Oh, no, I think they say some people did get out of that. 1:09:07 Like they evacuated that whole time. As soon as God started sprouting. They're like ghetto, You know, probably Gamma is going to come here. He's going to try and help us out. It might pop up from the ground. He has a tendency to do that. It looks cool as fuck. 1:09:24 But oh, my God, the property damage, The insurance companies fucking hate him. Yeah, there's a little kid, a family's there. She goes back for a cat, I think. 1:09:35 Speaker 2 It's a son of a daughter, husband and wife. The husband puts the daughter in the car, I think with a little bullet. Didn't you? Yeah. And he's like, right. You you wait though, I'll having it back in, pick up some more stuff. His wifes pissing about trying to get the cat from under the bed. 1:09:51 He's now just playing with a camera. 1:09:54 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, he takes pictures on it and. 1:09:56 Speaker 2 Then gamma luns. 1:09:58 Speaker 1 What pictures are you gonna get? An ankle. 1:10:00 Speaker 2 He just starts standing there, taking pictures of Gamma. Walking towards it would be towards the Dios, wouldn't it? 1:10:07 Speaker 1 Yeah, if they made that today, there's someone doing it on the like, camera phone or whatever and we've got no way bullshit with that up and you'd fucking get out of there. No, apparently they wrote that into the story back then. 1:10:17 Speaker 2 So. 1:10:18 Speaker 1 In the 90s. 1:10:19 Speaker 2 The daughter because her pose got killed. Yeah, during that fight, Client. 1:10:24 Speaker 1 Damage. 1:10:25 Speaker 2 No, can't make an omelet that break, Yeah. 1:10:30 Speaker 1 Japan was saved. 1:10:33 Speaker 2 Yeah, the daughter know has this personal vendetta against Gamma. 1:10:38 Speaker 1 I thought. 1:10:39 Speaker 2 I would argue she. 1:10:41 Speaker 1 Should have a vendetta against Garrus. 1:10:43 Speaker 2 Imagine that those poor people in Pompeii had hours to fuck off. They had an early warning signal. Yeah, much like these people did with the fucking Gaios and Gamma. You cannot blame the volcano for evolting because someone decided to piss about and start start doing the fucking painting of it. 1:11:04 Fucking. 1:11:05 Speaker 1 Yeah, no. 1:11:06 Speaker 2 Exploding. Do you know what I mean? 1:11:07 Speaker 1 If anything she should have been more mad at her parents than not getting like I didn't know it's an opening scene. It doesn't fucking gamma or powerbomb gyrus at that point. Like into the ground as well. Like I'm sure they have a sky fight and then I think you might power. I can't remember, but no, in the opening scene when one of the family members is faffing about with a cat, the cat's called Iris and Iris is vegan. 1:11:30 It's the cat. Just the cat turn into this fucking monster. Is the cat the villain of this piece? That's what I was thinking about most of the fucking film. 1:11:38 Speaker 2 Am I going to see a fight between Gamma and a cat A? 1:11:42 Speaker 1 Normal house cat. It's this cat getting getting revenge. We should also say that the what made of review and watch these films is the poster for the revenge of virus. That's the first one we saw. Yeah, and it's the coolest idiot. 1:11:59 It's the coolest designed one, I think. And even in motion, it looks fucking cool as well. You know, then the poster does it justice. But it also looks good in the film. But yeah, starts off, I can't remember what country, some like Amazon country or something like that, but there's a tagline or alliance thrown away at the end of the first film which go in there could be garish eggs all over the fucking world. 1:12:20 Yeah, we find garish eggs all over the fucking world in this film. And I will say they look a lot better, like the puppetry of them as well. Like the first one you see, which is like it's dead or it's dying I think, but it's like it looks fucking bloody and disgusting. It's like bloodshot eyed and this woman comes out screaming like it killed my family or something like that. 1:12:41 It's the Is it the bird lady that finds it? 1:12:43 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think, yeah. 1:12:45 Speaker 1 So oh shit, the Garrus are back. We're fucking going to do. There's loads of them in this as well, not just three. 1:12:51 Speaker 2 Yeah, there's like 100 I think. 1:12:54 Speaker 1 I can't actually remember if and how a lot of them die. I know the military take down but this Gamma, like Gamma does explode. A few of them. I'm sure he does, but this kid gets brought up in, I'm gonna assume, in a foster home. She's very adamant that she hates Gamma and was like, why do you hate Gamma? 1:13:09 It's the fucking garden. 1:13:10 Speaker 2 A lot of these days she's going to get the. 1:13:13 Speaker 1 Universe we don't know about. 1:13:14 Speaker 2 It she's going to get an avenge on Gamma. 1:13:17 Speaker 1 What was this? There's a point in the second film when Legion, the big Legion, he rips off a piece of gamma shell. I think like the corner of it and it and it like falls in the ground. Is that something that they find in the third film? 1:13:35 Like they find like a piece of shell in a cave somewhere? I'm like is that a part of Gamma Shell or something? Also I didn't realize what was going on with this cave that was near this fucking orphanage. 1:13:46 Speaker 2 What was in that cave? 1:13:48 Speaker 1 What was an egg in there for a start? 1:13:50 Speaker 2 It's been there for hundreds of years. Yeah. Did you know that? Because there's been a long line of successors of people that. 1:13:57 Speaker 1 Guarding that cave. 1:13:58 Speaker 2 Yeah, keeping it safe, keeping people away. There's. 1:14:00 Speaker 1 Also a little shrine outside with a knife in it, like a sacrificial knife. Yeah. I mean is that just to stop if anything was bad? 1:14:06 Speaker 2 Demon killing knife I guess. 1:14:08 Speaker 1 I guess Kappa knife. Yeah, but I'm sure there's a point where someone dusts off a shell from the ground. I can't remember if it was in The Cave or somewhere else. I'm I, I just remember thinking like I got ripped off in the last one. I don't know. Also, I know I sent you the the video. 1:14:23 I did, but there's a bit in the second film and I I again, I don't really understand the frame of reference or what they were going about, but there's a bit when this doctor cuts into one of the Legion's leg and gas escapes from it. And then he just says, oh, I see. And then it just cuts to a different scene. 1:14:40 What does this doctor know now? I don't know. Also I didn't think my caption I thought was pretty funny. Does someone commented on that? You know what the comment was? Why would they hire a blind doctor? 1:14:58 And then I responded with cost efficient. Why are you going to ruin my joke man? 1:15:06 Speaker 2 Oh my God. 1:15:06 Speaker 1 For context, there's a bit when there's a doctor cutting into one of legions, one of the little bug little bugs, one of the bigger bug legions body part and essentially just gas escapes. And then he has a line of dialogue where he goes. I see isn't to say I see no, but I captioned it with doctor cuts into anything like escaping gas to yours in blindness. 1:15:26 I think it's pretty fucking fun to be fair. But yeah, this, this egg thing, is it like an evolved version of a Guy Raz? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I do have notes on this one. 1:15:38 Speaker 2 Yeah, it's it's like the final evolution of what the guy was would be. At least that's what I took from it. 1:15:45 Speaker 1 So I've got my first note in there and I can't remember where it was, but I can remember the imagery. There's an explosion that happens and the amount of human bodies that go flying towards the camera. I don't know if you remember it, but the note I've got is people just go flying in a blast wave and I just remember thinking thought that's a lot of people and I can't remember the what happened and why. 1:16:06 It must have been a gyrus attack. There's a whole plot point, not a plot point, but we learn. Oh, fuck, you know, I remember things. I'm not many notes about this, but there's there's this guy in it in the third film and he's a bit of a snobby little prick, but he's got like proper pretentious. 1:16:23 I'm an art dealer vibes. He's very anime villains. He's. 1:16:27 Speaker 2 Like a. 1:16:28 Speaker 1 Demode is that. 1:16:31 Speaker 2 Who hacker of a program or something did? 1:16:33 Speaker 1 He make the Dreamcast games about manner and shit. 1:16:36 Speaker 2 Yeah. 1:16:38 Speaker 1 What did you think when you saw a Dreamcast? 1:16:41 Speaker 2 I went, oh shit, Dreamcast. Well, that that guy, right? Yeah. My thought on him was this must be what people who don't play games think of. 1:16:53 Speaker 1 Video games. 1:16:54 Speaker 2 No think of Kojima. 1:16:57 Speaker 1 Yeah, the no air I've got about the Dreamcast is the Dreamcast game of planetary environment and civilization and statistical analysis and. 1:17:07 Speaker 2 Stalls. 1:17:12 Speaker 1 #1 seller flew off the shelves. It did, and that's what they were selling it as. Everybody fucking loved this statistical analysis about storms and whatnot, and they're using this. They're using this video game, and I guess it makes sense, I guess because the Dreamcast was one of the first consoles I could go on the Internet. 1:17:30 They're using this video game to track Gamera or track Gamera's energy, so to speak, or what we learn about manner. It absorbs A manner from the planet. But the way they're saying that this was the number one selling video game flying off the shelves, was it? 1:17:47 Was it not Sonic Adventure? Was that not better than statistical storms analysis? And then I'm looking at the graphics of this game and it is just, again, I think it's some, again, I think the Dreamcast could look a lot better than what they were showing on screen or. 1:18:04 Speaker 2 Absolutely. 1:18:04 Speaker 1 They were showing like 80s Tron graphics worse than that of like what they think video games would be in the future. It was like a war games looking situations. 1:18:15 Speaker 2 Charts, graphs and topography and nothing else. 1:18:20 Speaker 1 And the way some. 1:18:20 Speaker 2 Numbers on the side, which I didn't. 1:18:23 Speaker 1 And the way the chat, the way the charts and graphs looked on screen was like looking at images on your old Nokia 3310 that pixelated. I might the Dreamcast looked a lot better than this. What you're doing, you could have put decent graphics there. 1:18:38 And I know that you've got like a decent budget for computer animation because there's some CGI effects in this one. I think there's some CGI effects in Legion, especially with all the Legion bugs when they were on Gamma. I think that was CGI, but it's still mostly just people in suits. And there's a couple of CGI shots in this with Iris. 1:18:55 Looks cool as thought. Looks cool as fuck, especially for fucking 1999. Better than when we thought it was from like 94 or something. But yeah, it looked all right. But yeah, there's this Irish egg hatches, but this, it's a Guy Raz egg hatches and it's like a new version of it. 1:19:13 Sacrifice and Evolution: Gamera's Final Stand And it also hates camera because it knows. Or maybe they're like a hive mind or something. 1:19:19 Speaker 2 No, that that didn't have any sort of film of reference. She found a Talisman for that. 1:19:25 Speaker 1 Which is. 1:19:26 Speaker 2 So she became a priestess for this new. 1:19:28 Speaker 1 Kind. It was a very much evil version of what we saw in the first film. Yeah. There was a moment when the thing hatches in the woods, where it hatches. They're in the woods. And it's like adult. Well, it's like human size at this point. And I've put is Irish and fuck this child. 1:19:48 No, because she has that line of dialogue when all these, like, ghostly tentacles come out. And obviously it's trying to, like, absorb her into it. And then she has the line. Iris, I'm so fucking hot. And it just made me feel a wee bit uncomfortable. You know what? 1:20:03 I want to write. What? What better? Yeah. It's very weird. It's a very weird choice of dialogue, but it's like, it's got this. It's got this gem. This girl's got this gem. She's she's getting a symbiotic relationship with Iris. But at the same time, Iris wants to be even closer, I guess. 1:20:18 She wants it to be like absorbed into the creature. 1:20:21 Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like some kind of a final form, I guess. 1:20:24 Speaker 1 Yeah, like they want to actually be one, you know, rather than just an emotional connection. Maybe because when they hear of this gem, the other people from the first film are all like a fucking gem, a little girl. 1:20:41 Look, this is a bit When they find a girl in the young, they find the young girl in The Cave and they like, I think it looks quite horrific, but they're like pulling it out of the creature while it's sleeping and it's like all the tendrils and shit that I'd like attached to her and attached to the creature. 1:20:57 I'm like this looks, this looks fucking disgusting. Anyway, she's not spoke for a bit after that. I can't really remember most of the most of the fights between the other Gyruses and maybe just the last one. There is a bit when all the there's a bit in the military when Iris is just presents itself in the sky and it's fucking huge. 1:21:17 It's got these like ethereal like wings and shit military's attacking it. Then Gamma gets involved. It just comes out fucking nowhere because it's flying next to a plane. There's a there's a guy flying a plane and all of a sudden Gamma's eye just comes into view and it's just next to it. 1:21:32 And then it starts fighting thing. And then immediately the military leaders are like, buck that monster, kill Gamma, what are you doing? 1:21:40 Speaker 2 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Just some weird personal vendetta of one of the generals. 1:21:46 Speaker 1 I guess, yeah. 1:21:48 Speaker 2 It keeps being like everyone kill the gambler quick. 1:21:50 Speaker 1 It's got Iris has got this thing which is like a straw, I guess. And like when you see it first feed, it attacks like a tin of tuna. But it sucks, Yeah, it sucks the tune until it's like flat. But when it feeds on people, it like drains them of all the blood and nutrients. 1:22:07 And like there's a there's a jump skirt where they walk in like in a building, our facility. And like a zombie looks like a zombie, but it's not. But a drained cold falls down from the ceiling and it's like all green and skinny and it's like, oh, it's just bones. 1:22:23 Cool effect, I guess. But weird that that's what it does to people. Yeah. My last night, and this was the military continue to hate on camera more than the actual bad guy. Yeah. So everything else I'm just going to remember from memory. 1:22:39 Oh my God. I watched them early in the week as well. 1:22:41 Speaker 2 I can't remember how the big main fight starts, all I can remember is the incredible climax. 1:22:49 Speaker 1 I can remember that, Yeah. Before the main fight starts, the people from the first film sort of rescue this girl in a coma from the facility where she's being held at because they kind of know what's going on. Iris is attacking something, and he's like, you've got to, you've got to tell it to stop. 1:23:06 You've got to will it to stop. Just like now. I fucking hate Gamma. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And there is some point when she gets fully absorbed into it. 1:23:15 Speaker 2 Yeah. 1:23:16 Speaker 1 But there is a point when like this Iris thing is like punching the shit and like really fucking Gamma her up, stabbing it and whatnot and it's got all its fucking mandibles and it's sucky straw thing. 1:23:31 I was thinking if they were going to murder the first film, exactly like when Gamma would attack Iris, I thought she might get caught in the face or something. They never did that. I generally thought they should have done at some point. I thought the young girl from the first film was going to be a little bit jealous that I thought she and the little girl were gonna have like a scrap as well. 1:23:48 Like why Iris and Gamma are fighting. Maybe the girl from the first film and then the girl from this film are fighting. That wouldn't really work because the girl from the first film's like a teenager now, but she's. 1:23:59 Speaker 2 She's. 1:24:00 Speaker 1 Trying to throw down with this little this child. 1:24:04 Speaker 2 This kids gonna get what's coming to her. 1:24:06 Speaker 1 Yeah, they end up, they end up in like this sort of like station, like it looks like a train station something, but they end up inside a bit. It must be pretty big because they're indoors and it's Gamera and another Kaiju indoors. 1:24:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, it it does seem like the floors caved in as well. 1:24:24 Speaker 1 Yeah, so maybe they're a bit underground. I'm really drawing a blank. You, you saw, you saw it more recently. So John had settled the actual final climax between Iris and Gamera. 1:24:34 Speaker 2 I can't remember exactly how it happens, but it's it's like an Ivis loses the ability to use the tentacles for a little bit. Yeah. And they're just going at it. Usually just just absolutely fisticuffs. 1:24:49 Speaker 1 Iris has a spike that I think it either turns off its body or it's it turns off of Gamera but it impales his arm. Or is it just pick up a piece of rebar but like a fat piece of the biggest time? 1:25:04 Speaker 2 Iris starts to get its movement in its tentacles again. Yeah, and as soon as it does, it fires one straight through where Gamma is hand and pins it against the wall. 1:25:14 Speaker 1 And he's pinned down. Gamma is pinned down to this wall. 1:25:17 Speaker 2 So what what Gamma does first is because this is right hand or, or or whatever you want to call it, this trapped against this wall, Yeah, cannot move it right. So he gets his left hand, punches a hole in Iris's stomach 1st and then like do this stale off against each other. 1:25:39 Speaker 1 Also, Gamma at the same time during this fight is fully aware that there is a small girl inside of this monster. Yeah. And Gamma does not want to harm this child. Yeah. So he's holding. I I feel like he was holding back a lot during this fight. Oh, yeah. Because of that reason, because he is protector of the children, friends of the children. 1:25:58 Speaker 2 So yeah, yeah, yeah, Iris is charging up this energy shot and Gamwud's gonna take this point blank. 1:26:05 Speaker 1 I thought we'd get another unibeam situation, but that they must just save that for. But you can't overdo something, I guess. Yeah. Also do one epic thing per film. Yeah, maybe. 1:26:15 Speaker 2 I would say that a unibeam this film would have ruined it I think. 1:26:20 Speaker 1 Yeah, because he's just doing it again and. 1:26:22 Speaker 2 It wouldn't have been as fucking cool. No, the house is charging up this energy beam. I think the gambler knew that if this hits him, then it's transferring. That's it, it's done. So gambler's looking at this. It's so incredible. 1:26:38 Gambler's looking at this guy and he's looking at his hand, back of this guy, back of his hand. He goes, you know what, fuck it. So he blasts his own hand off. He. 1:26:50 Speaker 1 Leaves his Penguin on the wall. 1:26:51 Speaker 2 Just leaves it there as this energy projectile gets fired at a gamma, he puts his stump in the way which I thought, Oh, instantly cauterize his wound. Clever gamma. There we go. The fight is not over. 1:27:07 You cannot take the fire. This guy, that's what. 1:27:11 Speaker 1 I love about gamma. 1:27:12 Speaker 2 He's the ultimate ball. 1:27:13 Speaker 1 He will scrap till the bitter end. If it kills him or not, he will go the distance. 1:27:20 Speaker 2 So fucking good. Well it actually did though. This is another brand new power they down with us for some reason has. 1:27:29 Speaker 1 I took this. 1:27:30 Speaker 2 Energy shot into his arm. Yeah, created sort of a laser salt situation. 1:27:35 Speaker 1 The way I saw it is like when his arm, when he severed his arm, the way I saw it is like because he's filled with manner. I guess the man is his energy. He created an arm out of pure manner, you know, and he had like this light sword arm, I guess, but he didn't really use it to like fit well. 1:27:54 He really used to finish it off. He used it to save the girl that was inside. 1:27:57 Speaker 2 He has the girl. 1:27:58 Speaker 1 Yeah, he did grab him with his functioning arm. Yeah, yeah. 1:28:03 Speaker 2 With the punch into I was his body. 1:28:05 Speaker 1 He got the girl just. 1:28:06 Speaker 2 Cradled this girl, right? Pushes into the body, rebound into the thing. Yeah. 1:28:12 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:28:12 Speaker 2 Energy's charging, blows his own arm off, deflects with an energy sword, rips out some of his guts with his left working arm. Yeah, which has the girl in there. Then he punches with the manifest. 1:28:28 Speaker 1 Pure energy. Pure energy just gets smacked with it. The energy fish kills a virus right like he's ripped the he's ripped the girl out of him and assumingly a lot of irises insights as well yeah you know, because she's she's unconscious for a bench because they're trying to revive her they're giving her mouth to mouth. 1:28:48 I'm like, get all that gunk off her fucking chest first because they're trying to revive her and she's still got like plasma and not plasma, but like. 1:28:57 Speaker 2 Amniotics. 1:28:58 Speaker 1 Yeah, all over. I'm like, get that offer, move that weird thing off a bit. Yeah. And then he just like finishing him off with his energy fist sword thing. Cool as fuck. 1:29:09 Speaker 2 Another absolute murder. 1:29:12 Speaker 1 And then there's a point when this little girl's like, camera, why the fuck did you save my life? I fucking hate you. You're evil. When the camera's like, I'm not fucking evil. I'm just, I'm just to do what I can do. But yeah, he's looking at his arm and it's, it is a bloody stomp, you know, You see it dripping blood, you see his arm pinned against the wall. 1:29:28 And again, he just fucking pisses off. 1:29:31 Speaker 2 And I'll see you all later. Adios. 1:29:35 Speaker 1 I'll see you for Gamera 4, which never happened. We did do a Gamera film in 2006. 1:29:44 Speaker 2 I think it's worth mentioning as well. Go on, in India third movie they do find like this mammoth graveyard of pasta Gamera. 1:29:52 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, they do. And it's like failed experiments of Gamera, right? 1:29:56 Speaker 2 Something like that because. 1:29:57 Speaker 1 They say it's Gamera, but it's not like Gammas that had died. It's gammas that never came to fruition. Like they were trying to build a Gamera, but when infusing them I guess with manner or something, it like didn't take. And then the gamma that we actually have, who is the, you know, the guardian of the universe, the gamma that we actually have is the one who managed to survive the sheer amount of the planetary life force of the Earth. 1:30:23 And it feels like, so they tried to do it like 50 times I guess, but it failed and it just killed these creatures dead that they made because apparently Atlanteans can just create giant monsters. Also, how much time did they make from creating the Garrison? 1:30:39 And then the Garrison is like just being shits and they Oh no, we need to create a Gamera. How many attempts did they have and how much? I felt like it wasn't a rush for them because that must have taken them years to get to the final stage of gamma because surely these creatures would have had to grow to that size and then died when I guess the ultimate thing to create the ultimate life form was growing this giant fucking turtle creature. 1:31:07 And then from the with Aztec, Aztec Atlantean technology infusing it with the life force of the planet, you know, and that's like what would kill you off. Yeah, you know, Or if you have the strong enough will to take that, you can have the life force of the planet in you. 1:31:24 And Gamera definitely does have the will for that. In many ways you could think of it as like, just because we were talking about before and it's in my head, but like a trial of Degrassis, like a Witcher situation, because you get pumped full of shit which will kill most people off if you're not strong enough. 1:31:41 Yeah, I think Gamera has the will to fight and just survive. Guy's a fucking cool guy. 1:31:47 The Underdog Kaiju: Gamera the Brave Godzilla's cool as well. And I do. I still like, love Godzilla's fucking amazing. Something about a scrappy guy though. It's an underdog and I do think Godzilla would win in a fight between him and Gamera, but. 1:31:59 Speaker 2 This is what I genuinely think. 1:32:01 Speaker 1 Go on. 1:32:02 Speaker 2 If it's a range fight Godzilla's Guild it, but if Godzilla, let's gamma get close. 1:32:07 Speaker 1 Your body blowing it's. 1:32:08 Speaker 2 In serious fucking trouble because it's going down. There's no there's no ifs or buts. 1:32:15 Speaker 1 I think Godzilla could easily take Gamma's fire breath though. 1:32:18 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, if it's if it's a battle on range. 1:32:21 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:32:22 Speaker 2 The atomic breath's gonna win it. 1:32:24 Speaker 1 I think Gamma's smart ago. 1:32:25 Speaker 2 Gamma gets close enough. 1:32:27 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:32:27 Speaker 2 Punch his fucking head off, That's it. 1:32:30 Speaker 1 And lock him stabbing. Stabbing with one of his spikes Probably do. A bite on the gamma absolutely would bite someone's ear off it. 1:32:42 Speaker 2 Gamma is the Mike title of the family. 1:32:45 Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a, there's a 2000, the last gamma of film film came out in 2006 and it's called Gamma of the Brave. From my research, I'm not seeing it, but from my research, how it starts is Gamera is fighting a guy. 1:33:01 It's sort of like a legacy film. It's like not a sequel to these 90s films, but it's sort of like a sequel but also a reboot at the same time. It starts with Gamma fighting a gyrus. He ends up sacrificing himself to save the Earth, but in the meantime, there's like a new Gamma that's born. 1:33:18 There's like a new turtle that's born and that grows up to become a new Gamma. And it's like a sort of passing on the Torx legacy thing. But I don't like the idea that Gamma died at the beginning of the film. I've not seen it, but yeah, I might. I might watch Camera the Brave. I don't know. 1:33:35 It is, it is, it is on Prime. We'll have a peep if there's a trailer downstairs. 1:33:39 Speaker 2 There's like 708 down with movies on. 1:33:42 Speaker 1 Prime Yeah, they've got a few. They've not got all of the ones from the 80s, but they've got, they've got a good few. I might even watch one of them at some point. But they get from what I've read up and in my research to get very silly. And a lot of them are about space monsters. Also, the humans involved in the film are like spacemen, you know, like astronaut stuff. 1:34:01 They help. And it's very silly, very out of space adventures, very, oh, does this planet Gamma has got to go up there and whatnot and stuff like that. I can't remember what film it was. I think it was in the Iris film as well because I remember thinking I didn't really get out of it, but Gamma takes a monster up into space. 1:34:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that is. 1:34:20 Speaker 1 Is Iris or is it the legion? He takes legion up into space and then he like slams him back down into earth. My initial thinking was our gamma smart, which is not that spark. My my initial thing was leaving them, just leaving them and then come back down to earth. 1:34:35 Speaker 2 He wants to fucking, he wants to beat the shit. 1:34:38 Speaker 1 Was the powerbombing. 1:34:40 Speaker 2 He doesn't. He doesn't want an easy way. He wants to. He wants to taste blood in his mouth. That's what he wants. 1:34:47 Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I'm pleased that I have seen these films. I think it's not as someone who does like big monsters fighting other big monsters. I do think Gamma is like sort of like in in the Kaiju world, he's sort of an underdog anyway because not a lot of people. 1:35:03 He's not mainstream, I don't think. I mean, there is that you could get that Netflix show, which I should look into. It's not as it'll never be as mainstream as Godzilla. Yeah, you know, even think I think Pacific Rim would probably be more mainstream than fucking Thing and that apparently that second film's bad. 1:35:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, it's shite. 1:35:20 Speaker 1 There is an anime show as well. I'm not I'm not seeing that, but I'll. 1:35:24 Speaker 2 Tell you, the problem with the sequel to A Pacific Rim is that they took all the charm out of it. Anything that gives anything, any sort of character, yeah. 1:35:32 Speaker 1 It raised it. It's not cool when you see big robots fight big monsters. 1:35:36 Speaker 2 It's cool when in the first movie how the Russian mech is shaped like a cooling tower. Oh yeah, do you know what I mean? How each individual team, how the mechs have the flavor of their country? Yeah, right. That's cool in the second one where every single mech looks like the same mech. 1:35:56 Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a bit shit. Let's. 1:35:58 Speaker 2 Just RIP all the character out of everything. Take away its charm. Let's not get any of the same actors in, do you know what I mean? 1:36:06 Speaker 1 That's a shame. 1:36:07 Speaker 2 I went to the cinema watching that and I feel sorry if I fucking disappointed. 1:36:12 Speaker 1 Watching it, being sad. 1:36:13 Speaker 2 You could not fucking believe it because I fucking. I really loved the first movie, Yeah. 1:36:18 Speaker 1 Everybody did I I just missed the second one at the cinema and everyone's just told me it's shit. So I've never bothered watching it or looking it up or making my own assumption for it. I just agree with everyone else and go. You know what? Yeah, apparently it's shit and I won't watch it. 1:36:32 Speaker 2 Every Mac looks like Gypsy Danger. If Gypsy Danger didn't have the heart and charm to it. There's. 1:36:39 Speaker 1 No one in it. It's thing. You're not in it because he survived the first one. 1:36:43 Kaiju Films and Guillermo del Toro's Vision Oh fucking. What's his name? Charlie. 1:36:46 Speaker 1 Not Charlie Day. I know you. No, no, no. Maybe thinking of I'm thinking of Ron Perman. Ron Perman, not in it. He survived the first one like you thought he got eaten, but he had that end credits scene where he came out and he was alive. He had these little snakeskin boots on. 1:36:59 Speaker 2 No, he's like that. 1:37:00 Speaker 1 Boo. I don't know why del Toro didn't come back to direct it, because I feel the problem with del Toro. He's got his fingers in many pies, but he never finishes anything off. 1:37:12 Speaker 2 The way that I see del Toro is that he's the people's champion. Yeah, and every viewer loves him. Well, no one in Hollywood wants to continue giving him money to make all this unique, beautiful stuff. He because they know that it's cheaper to churn out shit. 1:37:27 Speaker 1 He literally said he would love to do a Hellboy 3 with Ron Paul and he's out of story for it and everything they've got. 1:37:35 Speaker 2 Cancelled and poo. 1:37:36 Speaker 1 Poo. They've done 3 no two Hellboy films since then, right? And both of them have been a reboot of whatever, you know, it's own continuity or whatnot. So it's like, I know each one is a lot cheaper in budget than the last one, but I might even. So even if you gave, they'll talk like a cheaper budget. 1:37:53 I think he could make something work, you know? But he does have his style and he is very like prosthetic based. And, you know, it's a shame because he's got so many ideas like, Oh yeah, I'd love to do a sequel to that. Oh yeah, I was going to make a Bioshock movie, but whatever fell through, whatever. 1:38:07 Speaker 2 Because companies don't want to spend money that will obviously make them a lot of money, Yeah. 1:38:13 Speaker 1 They want to. 1:38:14 Speaker 2 Yeah. 1:38:15 Speaker 1 Has he done some? Has he done anything since The Shape of Water? Or is it just like a lot of projects that keep falling through? I've never known a director tied to so many projects that I've fallen through. 1:38:26 Speaker 2 I think the latest thing that he did was that cabinet of curiosities. 1:38:30 Speaker 1 Oh, the series. 1:38:31 Speaker 2 Yeah. 1:38:32 Speaker 1 Was that any good? 1:38:33 Speaker 2 Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Really fucking good. It was like. 1:38:36 Speaker 1 You did Pinocchio on Netflix in 2022? 1:38:39 Speaker 2 Oh yeah. Yeah. Seen that? Yeah, yeah, he might at all. Like it's like each episode is like a different like a different director. He was more of a producer I think follow it. And he did. He played the part of the host talking a little bit about whatever before the actual thing that shown. 1:38:58 Well, there's a. 1:38:58 Speaker 1 Couple. Yeah, the last thing he did was curiosity. Cabinet Curiosities in 2022 and then Pinocchio also in 2022. He's got three upcoming projects. Frankenstein that should be fucking good. 1:39:15 Since 2025. It's in post production. There's no way that's coming out this year. Another film that's in pre production called The Buried Giant. That sounds very him. And then Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark too, which must be another series to something he already did. 1:39:31 Feels like another Netflix thing. Yeah. Scary Stories to tell them that just sound familiar. 1:39:36 Speaker 2 I didn't need to watch that. I don't know why I didn't. 1:39:38 Speaker 1 I would. I think a Deltaro Frankenstein film would be very good. 1:39:42 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it was a fucking bomb. 1:39:44 Speaker 1 Yeah, he produced. I don't know if you ever saw it, He produced ATV series on Netflix called Troll Hunters. It was like a CGI automation thing that was good. I never finished the series. I followed it up, but because there was a spin off series called Wizards. If you want to see a lot of Del Toro in action, I hear his voice a lot. 1:40:03 Play that Stranded, Isn't that a lot? 1:40:06 Speaker 2 He's. 1:40:07 Speaker 1 Always faffing about with a fucking BB anyway. We calling it? Yeah, I'm good. 1:40:17 Speaker 2 I've been Jack. This is the best video game we've ever played. I don't know if it is my name, it's real house. 1:40:24 Speaker 1 I'll be Mike and you don't scare me. That could be anybody's ass. Honk. Honk.