Episode Transcripts

• A Coronation Street budget (0:00)
• Lost Media (10:55)
• Aleksei Systevich and Eddie Brock (14:17)
• Stories for fathers from the page to the screen (20:25)
• Wrap it up (22:57)
• The Great Circle (52:49)
• Bad business practices of Phil Spencers megacorp (01:05:08)
• Sony isn't impoverished (01:12:39)
• The benefits of the console wars (01:18:37)
• Naughty Dog (01:23:57)
• Even Less Of Us (01:25:28)
• Incredible game physics (01:36:56)
• Where would YOU live? Night City? (01:41:20)
• And what about YOU? Black Marsh? (01:47:12)
• Living in Phandalin sounds difficult (01:50:57)

0:00 Speaker 1 Not enough. Not enough going down on people, mechanics and video games. 0:05 Speaker 2 Yeah, Boo to that. Actually, there ought to be much more, I think. 0:10 Speaker 1 There's only one video game where I've ever played where there's like be a scene where someone's giving a head or eating someone else and it's probably going to be bald as gate. 0:18 Speaker 2 No, there was a bit of it in heavy rain. 0:20 Speaker 1 Who went down on who in heavy rain? 0:22 Speaker 2 There's there's quite a prolonged sex scene. 0:24 Speaker 1 Prolonged sex scene but it was awkward but it didn't feel like it was. 0:27 Speaker 2 Awkward because it this is. 0:29 Speaker 1 David Cage game is what it is, and I don't think you've ever seen a woman remembering Fahrenheit 9/11 where the main character died, then came back alive and then fucked someone. That was awkward. I was talking to someone at work recently. I usually don't like the sort of games that they play because it's always online shit, but they're right. 0:51 I play single player games. I play. I played to try to become human. I bet even I played picture upcoming as I played it. I just don't like it. Oh shit, wow, he's so good. Connor's so cool. I'm like, he's not boring. 1:04 Speaker 2 Colour isn't cool. 1:06 Speaker 1 Like just a robot. 1:08 Speaker 2 I would even say that canonically, yeah, Kono isn't cool. Oh no, he's a loser. 1:13 Speaker 1 Yeah, but he's cute so all is fine, apparently. I know. 1:19 Speaker 2 Classy. Brown's character was cool. 1:22 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, classy. Brown's character is cool and everything though. Yeah, especially SpongeBob. That reminds me, next time I see her, I must tell her that. Did you know that guy is Mr. Krabs? I don't know if she if she knows or not, but, yeah, she was like, why do you not like Beyond keep saying Beyond Two Souls and even worse David Cage game, Right. 1:40 I just think it's a very, very, very badly written, thinly veiled plot of racism. Yeah. If you're on tell that story, tell that story. But that story of machines and humans and whatever, it's been done to death in sci-fi. And it always comes across as, oh, this story is about racism, but we're not going to say it is. 1:59 I said District 9 did a good job at that sort of trope. Yeah, but at the end of the day, it's still that same thing. And I don't think Davey Cage is a good writer or a good human being because apparently he's he's had a lot of sexual assault claims against him, allegedly. 2:16 Speaker 2 Allegedly. 2:17 Speaker 1 You got to say allegedly after these things. 2:19 Speaker 2 I don't. I don't think he's going to get you. 2:21 Speaker 1 No, but you just have to say it even. 2:23 Speaker 2 Because it's the rules. 2:24 Speaker 1 Because it's the rules. You've got to say like, so like if you talk about Luigi Mangione, you've got to say allegedly after the fact because it's whatever allegedly he did. 2:34 Speaker 2 Allegedly, he did. 2:36 Speaker 1 But you know. 2:36 Speaker 2 Allegedly, he is a hero. 2:39 Speaker 1 Oh no, there's nothing alleged about that. You just show it up. It's explain like so like he demanded for see like Ellen Page naked and scan a naked body in the in the game and same with that chip from what's it called Heavy Rain. 2:58 You know, he's like I need to see naked bodies for the art. Trust me. Fucking weirdo. He's a weirdo. He's a bad rider. I don't mean any game I've played of his I've enjoyed all the way through. I will say I enjoyed heavy rain on one playthrough, but as soon as you do a second playthrough, everything falls apart very fast. 3:17 Yeah. Even if you think about the game for like 5 minutes after you finish it, you're like hang on, wait a minute, who was leaving those little origami pieces about? Was that Ethan? That makes no sense. Did you ever play Fire Night? 3:33 9/11 starts off really good, as most of his games tend to do. Start off Strong starts off, you're this guy, you're in this bathroom, you get possessed by some entity and you're compelled to kill the man in front of you. It's quite graphic for PS2, but it has a similar mechanics of heavy Rain. 3:51 You know, you walk as you walk normally in those games, and you control everything with the analogue sticks. You know, you select that, you select that, and at the time it's kind of cool stabbing this man in the urinal and whatnot. And on one camera you see the cops come in. 4:07 So you got to hide the body, you got to hide the evidence, and then you got to escape through the window. And then the the twist of this game, you also play as the cops as well as the main character. So you play as the cops and it's like, hang on. This is weird because the cops are obviously after this killer, the killer that I just played as the killer or I just hid the murder weapon. 4:27 Me as the player know where the murder weapon is. Am I supposed to not find it as the cops know that I'm playing as the cops? Am I supposed to play dumb and go I don't know where it is because I was playing as the other guy 5 minutes ago and I kind of want him to get away with this murder? Or do I do my job as the police officer and go, oh look, I found it, I knew where it was? 4:46 Speaker 2 Just walk straight towards yeah. 4:48 Speaker 1 Because you could, you know what I mean? But yeah, so that happens. Then you'd find out why he's being possessed. That it turns out it has something to do with an ancient Aztec God. Can't remember why, but the Internet also becomes sentient by the end of the game. 5:06 And then you possessed by this asset God, you're having a big fight with the Internet and this massive big matrix fight scene. You've got all sorts of powers. He's running on the side of helicopters. It's insane. He also ends up having sex with the main cop protagonist, who she's a lady. 5:25 But yeah, it's it's a game that falls apart very quickly in the second-half and makes no sense when you try to piece it together like the beginning. It's cool. It sucks you in. Oh, I'm a murderer. I don't know why I'm killing things. There's a level where you're in the office because he's an office worker and then Internet bugs start attacking people, but no one else can see them, only you. 5:47 And you've got to fight them off. But also not look insane doing it. But you do look insane doing it because you from what? From the general people in the cubicles, what they can see, they can see you, the main character running down the side of the corridors doing flips, jumps and all this shit. Just dodging these giant bugs while you're on the way to the boss's office because he's called you in, because he's just, he's not happy with your performance. 6:10 I will say the one good thing that game did for me was no, no, it wasn't necessarily. It's a good thing, but it caught me on to the band Theory of a Dead Man. If you ever play, if you listen to Theory of a Dead Man, they are, they sound exactly like Nickelback, but they're not Nickelback. 6:26 But yeah, there's 3 Theory of a Dead Man songs in that game. And it's just because when you're in the main character's apartment, you just turn on the radio and it's just three theater for dead man songs. Also, what really annoyed me about this game is the first game that made this trope in my head realise it and why I hated video games. 6:44 We have been playing a video game where you're as the main character and you're like, you're in your own personal domicile, your own personal dwelling, and then the phone's ringing. You've got to pick up the phone. That's it. You just got to watch the phone and pick it up. And for the life of you, you cannot find where the phone's ringing and you're walking around the apartment for ages. 7:03 You just want it to stop. Console of the character might go, I really need to pick up that phone. I'll pick up that phone. I really need to pick up that phone. I'm like, I am trying just where is it? And it frustrates me so much when they do this in games because I'm like, this character lives in this apartment. 7:19 I'm playing the character, but this character knows where the phone is. I do not know where the phone is. Does it really need me to physically walk over the phone and pick it up? Can this not be a cutscene? Have you ever played a game where that's happened to you? Yeah. Did it annoy you in the way that it annoyed me like that, or did you just think I can't find the phone and this is a bit annoying? 7:39 Or could you just always find the phone or whatever noise was going off? 7:43 Speaker 2 It's very half an hour for me. It's like a I had to notice where it is quite quick or which. 7:49 Speaker 1 Is good because when they do. 7:50 Speaker 2 That fuck is it. 7:51 Speaker 1 There is a few games where I have played it and it surprises how much it comes up. They'll make the phone like bright or red or something, or they might show you in a smaller screen where it is, you know, so you can't walk straight to it. But there has been a few games where it's like I just, I do not know where it is. 8:07 Another similar annoying video game show, something which I've experienced recently is I've been playing the new Indiana Jones game. This is very good, but there's, there's a few moments when you've got like an AI partner with you and it's like, all right, I know where to go. She's over there. I need to put the thing in the door to open the door. 8:23 That's fine. But there's this room full of treasures and I can see that there's collectibles in this room, notes stuff, flavour texts, all that stuff, things that I might need to collect to add to a trophy or whatever. I'm literally for three seconds. She's like, come on, Indy, let's put the key in the door. 8:39 All right, give me a minute. I know you're right there. Just let me look around this. This room is very big an interest and let me look around three more seconds, Indy, come on, let's put the key in the door. All right, I'm good. Just let me read this piece of text that I've just picked up, which is at least 150 characters. 8:58 You know, it's it's a it's a big piece of text. I want to find out what Hit was up to. I want to find out why Hit was involved in this story. And this letter is from a Dolph Hitler. It's signed at the bottom end. It come on the door, the key, God damn it, woman. 9:15 And then you just go, you know what? Fuck all this flavour texts that I can clearly see because it's very well highlighted. Fuck it, I'll just put the key in the door because she will not show up about it. And then cuts in, happens, go straight through that room's no lost forever. Also, that's a big pet peeve in video games that ever happened to you in games? 9:34 It's the worst. Why can't they just know as developers? Why can't they just know? We know where The thing is. You're not holding my hand, you're not asking for help. Just let me explore a little bit before you just force me to go on with the story. 9:49 I hate that so much. It happens a lot. 9:52 Speaker 2 I know it is. 9:53 Speaker 1 Like, shut the fuck up. It's bad enough when it like a lot of people find him God of War when Atreus is all like, have you tried freezing that? Maybe you should try doing that. I'm like, yeah, I know, I know what to do, just leave me alone. But yeah, a lot of people said he gave the solutions to some puzzles too early. 10:09 I didn't think it was that bad. 10:11 Speaker 2 No, no it wasn't. It wasn't nearly as egregious as what people were saying it was. It was quite quick on the draw in Ragnarok, Not in the first one, but in like no key walls I think. But not you're not necessarily. 10:26 Speaker 1 Walking to a room and he's like, hey Dad 4 O 212. 10:31 Speaker 2 What I didn't? 10:33 Speaker 1 Even know there was a keypad in this room. You got to let me look for clues first, Kit No get on with the God damn game. Sometimes a trace would give you the clues or the answers, but I'm like, it still is not making any sense to me. I'm, I'm doing that and it's not working. 10:52 Hey, throw your axe like that. I've just done it and nothing's happened. 10:55 Speaker 2 Anyway, welcome to Nerve. 11:10 Sort of trapped in the cube. I'm Jack. 11:13 Speaker 1 I'm Mike. Here we are again, I guess. 11:16 Speaker 2 Still in the cube. 11:17 Speaker 1 Still in the cube, forced to do this for. 11:21 Speaker 2 Eternity, it feels. 11:23 Speaker 1 Hang on, yeah it isn't. I just checked my watch. An eternity. Do we have an episode count number or? 11:30 Speaker 2 This will be number. Was it like 8? 11:34 Speaker 1 I thought it was 10. Are you counting the lost episodes? 11:39 Speaker 2 Well they did like 7 seasons, did the eight seasons. 11:42 Speaker 1 Oh lost. No, they never did. Seven seasons. God damn. 11:47 Speaker 2 Did they do? 11:48 Speaker 1 I only did 6. 11:50 Speaker 2 Oh, I was way off the mark. 11:52 Speaker 1 Way off the mark, so off base. 11:55 Speaker 2 Fucking fall off God damn I genuinely apologize for that. 12:00 Speaker 1 I've only done 5, you know. 12:01 Speaker 2 We're going to have to look into it because I'm sure it's more than 5. 12:04 Speaker 1 You think me being like it's my favorite show of all fucking time would not want that off the cusp. So hard to Google because lost lost TV show. Bunch of things that just lost media. It has rose rose 06 seasons. 12:20 I was right. Is that what I said 6? 12:23 Speaker 2 The first year, yeah. 12:24 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, 6 and then I said 5, but yeah, 6. So because some of those seasons were only like 15 episodes long. 12:31 Speaker 2 Say only but like I know of a piece only. 12:33 Speaker 1 Yeah, I was a piece part considering every other seasons, 24 episodes long. It was like that dying trend where I don't think many shows do it now, but there was a time for all you kids out there, every TV show, no matter what it was that you're interested in, was 24 episodes verbatim. 12:51 That's what it was. If you like the TV show 24 episodes long. I suppose the only thing is to still do that nowadays. Like proper shit comms, you know, just to fill out the year, I guess. Yeah, like Big Bang Theory still did it. I'm pretty sure Young Sheldon still did it. 13:08 Honestly, I think we live in a better time where most TV series are 8 episodes long or 10 episodes at a push. I remember watching Daredevil on Netflix. I think that was 10 episodes apiece, and I think that was 2 episodes too long. 13:21 Speaker 2 So it was 2 too long. 13:22 Speaker 1 I think each season was 2 episodes too long. There was always one episode or two episodes where I thought. Same with all the Netflix shows I guess. And I watched all of Lionfest. Did you see any of Lionfest? 13:34 Speaker 2 No, I didn't think it looked interested enough for me to engage in it. 13:40 Speaker 1 It was fine. I just think the actor playing Danny Rand was a bit flat and wooden and I think that comes across because I think the show and the production thing in itself was very, very rushed. In interviews after the fact, they were saying that they were learning the choreography on the day of filming and for a show heavily faced their own fight in an action, that's not what you want to do. 14:04 But apparently Luke Cage season 2 there is a iron fist team up episode and he's a lot better in that. But I didn't see iron fist season 2 no Luke case season 2 or Jessica Jones season 2. But apparently Jessica Jones season 2 is really good I. 14:20 Speaker 2 Might have a little watch. 14:21 Speaker 1 I saw season 1 Jessica Jones. I really enjoyed that. I hope they come back in now that Daredevil's coming back into Marvel proper. Speaking of Marvel proper, Craven came out this week apparently. It was absolutely awful. Oh thank God it what? 14:37 Speaker 2 Nothing. Nothing. What? 14:38 Speaker 1 Were you going to say I? 14:39 Speaker 2 Was going to say thank God it did because we're going to watch it now. 14:43 Speaker 1 I don't want to, but I've seen a lot of the reviews overwhelmingly negative. 14:50 Speaker 2 Yeah. 14:50 Speaker 1 Yeah, I will say one thing. I don't think I hate the look of the rhino. He just looks like a guy, but he looks like a rhino, not a guy in a suit. 15:01 Speaker 2 He looks like a guy but looks like a lion. I don't. I don't think I've actually seen like a Stiller move or anything. 15:07 Speaker 1 Yeah. So like, do you know, like in comics he's a guy in like a thick rubber suit that you can't. Well, I don't think it's a thick rubber suit, but it's a it's a suit that you can't take off that gives him, but it's fused to his skin. And in most comics sometimes it's a mech which is always the worst design I think unless it's in like. 15:27 Speaker 2 I think it started in ultimate. Ultimate. Yeah, yeah. 15:30 Speaker 1 I didn't mind the weedy Rhino in that next suit in the comics because I think it worked in that world and in that comic, but when they did it in the Andrew Garfield film, it. 15:40 Speaker 2 Looked amazing spider man 2 it. 15:41 Speaker 1 Looked absolutely awful. 15:43 Speaker 2 Yeah. 15:44 Speaker 1 It was all blurry me stills but yes again it's just a man with grey skin and horns. 15:49 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah? Wait, So you you said you don't mind how he looks. I don't. 15:54 Speaker 1 Think it's that bad I. 15:55 Speaker 2 Think it looks fucking. 15:59 Speaker 1 How would you like if they did a Rhino in in the MCU? How would you like it him to look just? 16:06 Speaker 2 Just make him look like he did in like classic comics. Just give him a big grey suit and a big window for his face. Don't make him look like the thing, right? 16:16 Speaker 1 Yeah, essentially, yeah, he does like the thing, but right, if you just if you took that and just give him a face window, it'd be the same. They wouldn't. How else are you going to right? How else are you going to config? 16:28 Speaker 2 Don't don't make it a big CGI body either. True. Just just hire a large Russian man. Yeah, and just put him in a grey one piece. 16:39 Speaker 1 I tell you it'd be good, but I I think he'd be a good Venom anyway, so I wouldn't want to waste him in Rhino. The guy from Jack Reacher on. 16:47 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, yeah. 16:47 Speaker 1 That guy's a fucking huge lad. Yeah, he felt like. 16:52 Speaker 2 It's almost as big as Gary Barlow. Some it's not. He is. 16:56 Speaker 1 He is the definition of a phrase built like a Brookshire. Oh, do you know what I've never seen? Jack Reacher, the film or the show? But from what I hear it's quite good. 17:09 Speaker 2 I saw the I saw the Tom Cruise move. 17:13 Speaker 1 See, I was just going to bring that up with you. What's funny to me is that Tom Cruise film, every time I see Jack Reacher clip on Amazon or Jack Reacher, the Amazon version of him fighting a a normal sized dude and he's an absolute huge guy. And in the books he's literally described as the biggest guy I've ever fucking seen. 17:31 Essentially, he's an absolute Batman, and it's so silly to me that Tom Cruise played him like they picked Tom Cruise for that role. The smallest man in Hollywood, the skinniest man in Hollywood is is not but you know. 17:44 Speaker 2 He's he's the skinny one. He's like 5 foot 5556. 17:47 Speaker 1 Yeah, he's tiny, although he'll never come across as 5 foot 5 in his film. 17:51 Speaker 2 Yeah, because he's always stood on a box. 17:53 Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got that height issue thing. Just just stop it. But he'll never be a man with that built size. He might be in shape, he might be lean, he might get caught, but I don't think he's the sort. He's not going to do a Christian Bale, eat a bunch of shit and bulk up and then immediately lose it. 18:11 I just don't think that's Tom Cruise's thing. Yeah. So why did they pick him for, I reckon decommissioned for the role of Jack Reacher? 18:19 Speaker 2 Maybe he did, yeah. 18:21 Speaker 1 State of that man, he's a good state. He would be a good Eddie Brock. 18:28 Speaker 2 Yeah. 18:28 Speaker 1 Yeah, he looks like he looks like a better there is next to a normal guy. Like he would be a great because to me Eddie Brock is that size and he and he really imposing because again, normal guy knows CGI. They probably would do CGI elements with a venom suit because I guess him next to Tom Holland Spider man would look really cool and imposing. 18:48 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 18:49 Speaker 1 Because he's a weedy little fuck, you know? But not yeah, he looks a lot better. He looks more fit for the part than fucking. What's his face? 18:57 Speaker 2 Topher, Grace I. 19:00 Speaker 1 Was going to say Tom Hardy, but yeah, still Larry's next to yeah, which is out of these two, which is the ideal looking Jack Reacher. I had tiny Tom Cruise's next to him. 19:17 Speaker 2 Oh God. 19:18 Speaker 1 They were. They found a guy bigger than the actor who plays him because apparently in the next season he has to fight an opponent. And people have read the books are like, this guy's described as being even bigger than Jack Reacher. How are they going to find an actor to do that? And they have done so try and bring that up. 19:36 It's huge by the mountain. Huge. I don't know the law. I've literally just googled Jack Reacher versus a bigger guy. No, I cannot find this image, obviously, because my Google search is shite. Oh my God, look at him next to that. 19:51 I'm assuming he's a small man, but still, God damn. To me, that's like what Spider Man had got. Like stood next to a good Venom. Yeah, yeah, he was apparently the actor saying the actor so much I should actually like, learn his name. 20:09 He really wants to play Batman in James Guns, sort of Batman. Am I? No. I think he's too big for that. It'd be good for absolute Batman. I'm sure people would love that. The actor is called Alan Richardson. No Alan Richardson. 20:25 Speaker 2 Is that richer? The guy who or the bigger? 20:29 Speaker 1 No I've not found the bigger guy. Jack Richer is Alan Richardson. Don't know why I did a Richardson. I just felt it flaws more. I don't know if I'd like it. To me it's a show. It's a very dad show. The books are like dad books, I guess, you know? 20:45 I mean, you always see a dad reading it or just a block or the newly child book and the new Jack reaches out, right? 20:52 Speaker 2 I mean you are of the age of a dad. 20:55 Speaker 1 I am but OK. No, like a Gladiator is a dad film or yeah, dam Busters is a dad film Dam. 21:06 Speaker 2 Busters, you know what bridge of the river choirs like Yeah, well, these are like, you can't you can't smile. I mean a generational fucking yeah. I just merge it all into death to. 21:22 Speaker 1 Me, I'm like, I still have the mind of like, I don't feel my age, you know? 21:28 Speaker 2 Well, yeah. 21:28 Speaker 1 So because me, you and our other friend. 21:33 Speaker 2 And 3rd friend. 21:34 Speaker 1 Because we all don't have kids. It's weird to think people our age have kids and just people our age where kids are like 4:00 and 5:00. This is insane. I mean, Oh yeah. So like an older dad film. So like someone who was in the 40s when we were like 10 or something like that. 21:51 And if you're ever like happened to have one of these films on a dad, if he spies this film, I know I'm going to act it out, but no one can see me other than you. They'll just walk into the room, hands in pocket, just watch it and they won't sit down and they'll stand there for four hours already Good film, this son. 22:11 Already good film. No CGI in this. No, they blew up that dam for real. I've never seen Dam Busters. See that river there? That's what the film's about. 22:30 I've just realized I walked really far away from the mic. So all all of that is going to sound shy just for a little scare that no one's going to say. 22:40 Speaker 2 It was just for me, I think. I think you only did it for. 22:42 Speaker 1 Me it was. Joe's funny as well. Neither has grew up with Dad, so we don't really know. We don't really know. It's just what we've heard through myths and legend. No dads in the cube. 22:59 Speaker 2 It's a fatherless place. 23:01 Speaker 1 Cube makes you sterile. 23:02 Speaker 2 Ladies. 23:05 Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot of people don't want kids these days. Ladies Cube makes us sterile. So I think piggybacking off what we did, what would you call it, we did a disclaimer before we started for our Game Award episodes because episode one has been missing as you know by now as time of recording Game Awards happened and talk about that. 23:29 Speaker 2 We can if you like. 23:30 Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going to bring up the categories. We'll obviously skip the ones that we know nothing about, like best streamer, best esports team. Do I know who won the best esports team? 23:43 Speaker 2 Yes, please do. 23:44 Speaker 1 You want to tell you who was in it? Yeah, why not build Build Gaming Gen. G, Navi T1 and Team Liquid? Who? Who did you have for winner Liquid Way off T1 Best esports athlete, Best esports game content creator of the most anticipated game. 24:11 Obviously GTA 6 was going to win because it was in this category, but you've got Death rounding 2 on the beach, Ghosts of Yotai, GTA6, Metroid Prime 4 if that ever comes out anywhere, and monster or Wilds. 24:28 Personally I would have probably picked Ghost of Yotai. I think GTA 6 is a given because I think everybody wants that because it's GTA and it doesn't matter. But at the end of the day everyone's going to get it anyway and everyone's going to play it for like 2 weeks and go then just play online forever or go back to whatever current this online is because the new one's shit. 24:49 Best adaptation. You are arcane. Follow Knuckles, Like a Dragon, Yakuza and the Tomb Raider anime. Rich Jacka won that one. 25:00 Speaker 2 Arcane probably won that fallout. 25:04 Speaker 1 I'm not saying arcane, but I've heard really good things. 25:06 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Which is why I assumed that they would have won, because yeah. 25:10 Speaker 1 From what I've heard, most people who have watched Arcane aren't a fan of League of Legends, no. Whereas like people who watch Cyberpunk or they watch Fallout, they go, you know what, I'll play these games. But it is a very online, mobile sort of game, isn't it? 25:26 Yeah, I'm not about them. Do you give a shit about the best sports and racing game? 25:30 Speaker 2 Absolutely I do. 25:30 Speaker 1 Nominees are F124, EA Sports FC-25 which I believe is the what they're calling FIFA now because they lost their license to FIFA so they have to they have to change the name to EA Sports Football Club is the full title, NBA Top Spin and WWE 2024. 25:48 These are yearly games anyway, what's your reckon 1? 25:51 Speaker 2 Yeah, they're just stuff that they pomp out concert. 25:54 Speaker 1 All these games could be one time game that they constantly update like Fortnite or Overwatch. They don't need constant sequels. What was that game that you played that more but that they got a second one and you're? That's dumb. 26:09 Speaker 2 Smite yeah. 26:10 Speaker 1 Just keep updating it. It's fine. Yeah, you know, Yeah. 26:13 Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely pointless to like Overwatch to absolutely pointless. 26:17 Speaker 1 Yeah, apparently it ruined it. Well, there you go. It's alright. Everyone's playing Marvel Rivals instead. Everyone's playing Marvel Rivals and Brantley is doing well, Better. I still think we should give it a try just for a one off. 26:28 Speaker 2 Yeah, maybe. Yeah. 26:30 Speaker 1 Reckon we could play together? Or is it random? Yeah. 26:32 Speaker 2 You must be able to play together. 26:35 Speaker 1 Best family game Princess Pete, Showtime, Astro Bot, Super Mario Party Jamboree, Legend of Zelda, Echoes of Wisdom or The Plucky Squire, which you reckon would win Best family game Astro Bot? 26:51 Yeah, it is nominated for game of the year. So you think if it's in another category it would win it best family game? It makes sense. A lot of people, dads have been playing. Dads our age have been playing with the kids. Hey. 27:03 Speaker 2 Because we are dad age. 27:04 Speaker 1 We are dad age damaged dads. God that's a that's a video Damaged Dads 4. 27:13 Speaker 2 Well, world. 27:14 Speaker 1 I was gonna, I was gonna, I was gonna say this downstairs, but I didn't know. Did you wanna know the cameo box in the Christmas level? Are you gonna re download it? You're not gonna bother. 27:22 Speaker 2 I don't know, if you don't load it, it won't be anytime soon. 27:25 Speaker 1 Do you want me to tell you there? Yeah. Tell me Croc. 27:28 Speaker 2 Yeah. 27:29 Speaker 1 Gex. 27:30 Speaker 2 Yeah. 27:30 Speaker 1 Tom B Yeah Rayman, all PS1 classics and then Spider Man and Mars Morales Spider Man. I guess they just thought we probably should have put these in there from the start because it's weird that you've got PS1 O GS and then just miles Morales and Peter Parker to fucking get that spider man animation. 27:52 Do you know when you got a smack him he's all right on the very close for the PS-5. It's so hard to get to that point without falling off and saying, but no, the Christmas level that they just released very fun, very charming. Just keep a little Christmas. It's not challenging or anything. 28:07 It's just like a not really. I believe it should take an open world area with all the suits. Each suits will get you like a way to advance. You unlock like 15 presents. You get things like new skins, new skins for the controller and all them cameo bots. 28:23 Best fighting game Grand blue fantasy versus rising. Never, never heard of that. 28:29 Speaker 2 Never heard of that. 28:30 Speaker 1 Grand Blue? The fuck is grand blue? The fighting game, I guess. Come on, tell me more about it. Fantasy versus rising. 28:38 Speaker 2 Yeah, what else is on the list? 28:41 Speaker 1 No, Tell me about Grambler. I'm. 28:43 Speaker 2 Not gonna. 28:44 Speaker 1 Tell me what you've never had a Grambler? I've heard of that. No, you've not. I have named 1 character. 28:50 Speaker 2 Jesse. 28:51 Speaker 1 Fuck, I cannot confirm or deny that. What's the art style? Is it 3D? Is it 2D? Is it 3D? Sounds like it would be 2D Dragon Ball sparking 0, Marvel versus Capcom fighting collection, arcade classics which is like 7 games. 29:09 Yeah multi verses are Tekken 8 perhaps a brides Mortal Kombat ones not in that list as a staple. You think it should just be there anyway? 29:17 Speaker 2 Well, it's like a list filler. 29:18 Speaker 1 Yeah, like it's like always in, like fighting games are always going to be like a a Capcom game, a Tekken game and a Mortal Kombat game. 29:26 Speaker 2 Yeah, let's see, I reckon. 29:29 Speaker 1 We could call this episode prologue to our predictions, can't we? Prediction prologue PP The PP The PP The cube, The PP episode. It's not what you think. 29:45 Speaker 2 I don't know, I'll be honest with you. 29:47 Speaker 1 Tekken 8/1. 29:48 Speaker 2 Tekken 8. 29:49 Speaker 1 I thought multiverses might have had it but then that game was dead weird because it came out then they got rid of it for like 5 months and then brought it back. This one I I won't say what I felt about this, wouldn't mind give it away. Best RPG, Dragons dogma, Eldon ring, the DLC, Final Fantasy 7 like a dragon, infinite wealth got a nomination and metaphor re Fantasia. 30:16 Speaker 2 I think I know what you've gripe is ye and that's the DLC should not be classed as a game. 30:23 Speaker 1 No I do agree with that but that wasn't my initial gripe. But I do agree with that statement that should be in some category as best, I don't know, DLC content or something. Definitely shouldn't be nominated for game of the year no matter how no matter how big your DLC is. Like for example, the year Witcher 3 came out in one game of the year that year, yeah, Blood and Wine was up for a fucking game of the end nomination, and he's arguably just as big as the game. 30:47 Speaker 2 It's got 50 hours long. 30:49 Speaker 1 Exactly. 30:50 Speaker 2 Fucking massive. 30:50 Speaker 1 You know that I went up for it, but yeah, that came out. So yeah, bullshit. I've only played one of these apogees. You played two. 30:58 Speaker 2 I would like to think I could like an infinite welfare a good shot of it, but I bet it was Final Fantasy 7. 31:05 Speaker 1 Metaphor re fantasio. 31:07 Speaker 2 It'd been out for a week. 31:08 Speaker 1 Literally it's been out for a short time. Ridiculous honestly. Like spoilers but it swept and every category it was in with Final Fantasy 7 it it beat it. I was quite upset about that because I really enjoyed Final Fantasy 7. I don't understand how metaphor re Fantasio is that good. 31:26 You'll probably most likely play it over me, but you'll have to. 31:30 Speaker 2 Let me know. 31:31 Speaker 1 You'll have to. You'll have to sit me down and go. What, Mike? It is better than Final Fantasy 7. 31:38 Speaker 2 Sit you down and fucking educate. 31:42 Speaker 1 And listen, well, I'll tell you what, there's a game in here that I had no idea how it got and they must have been running out of slots. Best action adventure game? But again, I don't even agree with this that should this one should be in it for action adventure. No, I wouldn't call it an action or adventure game. Astrobot. 31:57 Would you call Astrobot an action adventure game? 32:01 Speaker 2 No, I don't think so. 32:03 Speaker 1 Prince of Persia, The Lost Chrome, Silent Hill, two Star Wars art laws, and The Legend of Zelda. Echoes of Wisdom. 32:11 Speaker 2 Doesn't seem like a great list for action adventure to be honest with you. 32:15 Speaker 1 I'd say I'd say Zelda's very action adventurer. 32:18 Speaker 2 Well, yeah, but is it best of the best sort of standard because. 32:22 Speaker 1 That came out this year. 32:23 Speaker 2 It does sort of seem like a lot of those are just filler things. So it's just like, you know what I mean, Just oh, I can't I can't think of what an actual adventure game is that's come out this year. Let's put this in. 32:33 Speaker 1 Yeah, if I when I, when I was watching it, because I, I stayed up and watched it live when I was watching it, I was saying I was hoping that Prince Burger lost great because I've seen a lot of gameplay videos of it. I played the demo of it. I like those style of games. It's a Castlevania star, a Metrovania star game. 32:50 You know, you've got your map, you've got your thing, you've got a decent Paris system, you've got traps, you've got puzzles, all like that. That's what I was hoping to it anyway. I'm not saying it did. I'm not saying it didn't. 32:58 Speaker 2 OK. 32:59 Speaker 1 You'd also assume Zelda or a Legend to Zelda game would be in the running for it, but no. I sure I bought one it. I would have even called Silent Hill to an action. 33:08 Speaker 2 Adventure game it isn't. It's got it's got action elements in it. 33:12 Speaker 1 I was not going on an adventure, I'll tell you that. This guy was going through misery, strife and guilt turmoil. I was not having a good time. Which is this is so fucking weird, right? So best action event, best action slash adventure game, right? 33:30 The next category is best action game anyway, best action games. And I'll tell you, I think one of these shouldn't be in here. Just see if you can guess which one. Black Myth Wukong, Call of Duty Black Ops 6, Hell divers 2, Stellar Blade, Warhammer 40K Space Maroon 2, which I I guess is an action game. 33:55 It is. It's all action, isn't it? Yeah. Hell, Divers 2 I guess is all action as well. Yeah yeah, you could argue Call of Duty is an action game, but. 34:03 Speaker 2 It's the first person you shoot a. 34:05 Speaker 1 Action. Yeah, there's action in every games. 34:08 Speaker 2 Really. Yeah, exactly. It's a loose category. 34:11 Speaker 1 I know what you want to win, but what you reckon did win? 34:13 Speaker 2 Give me the list again. 34:15 Speaker 1 Blackmith, Call of Duty, hell divers, Stella blade, warhammer, Blackmith, Blackmith dead win. Good good good good. I think it's the only one or what he did win which is a shame. They're all pretty good games though. I would have been happy with any one of them winning except for Call of Duty. 34:32 Best VRAI game Arizona sunshine, Asgard draft Batman, metalhousinger and Metroid and taino Batman one because everyone's been praising that. Straight up best mobile game bulatro 1 and I don't know any of the others except for Pokémon trading card, AFK journey, Wuthering waves and Zealous zone 0 which I've heard of which is hard to say. 35:01 Best indie debut bulatro animal Well man O Lords Pacific drive or the plucky Squire bulatro because everyone's insane about that game. How can you have a best debut indie game and then also the category up is the best independent game? 35:20 Doesn't indie mean independent animal? Well bulatro Lorelei in the laser eyes which sounds cool. Never and UFO 50 Bulatro best community support, which I think is like best ongoing support borders gate three Final Fantasy 14, the online 1 Fortnite helldivers 2 on Norman's sky I will say every year this comes up Norman's sky wins because they do do a lot to do that game going yeah, but they've done a lot for borders gate. 35:57 They have. They keep updating it and say they're not doing it no more. Yeah, they've got. 36:02 Speaker 2 I keep saying this is the last one guys. 36:04 Speaker 1 Yeah, they've got that new photo mode which is coming up soon where you can pose all your party in fun ways. That is what will make me play the game and most of it will just be like me posing and shit it. 36:18 Speaker 2 Was 500 / 8. 36:21 Speaker 1 That's just without doing anything. What do you reckon took it? 36:28 Speaker 2 Balls Gate 3. 36:29 Speaker 1 Yeah, well done to Larry and I guess. 36:31 Speaker 2 Well done indeed. 36:32 Speaker 1 I actually missed this. They must have just like closed my eyes because some of the awards that The Game Awards just go by like that. Like they don't do a big show and tell for a lot of them. Some of them are just like, yeah, they're on the screen right now. Look at this cool trailer. Look at Waldorf and Startler. 36:49 Did you see that clip of Waldorf and Startler? Yeah, Cool that they were there and a lot of people going. I think a lot of people are done because online obviously everything's written, everything approved, everything's rehearsed. A lot of people are like, yeah, give it to give it to Jeff Keeler, the idiot. My you know, he knew all these jokes are coming, right? 37:06 These self deprecating jokes, these sort of attack on wrap it up or I'm a seller. I'm sure he he's a good sport for just having it there. Yeah, it's not like, yeah, finally someone said it. 37:21 I just think it's like the delivery is always such a classic thing. It's just a joy to see them in any situation. And then having two people shit on the game awards while the game awards is on. But they Muppets. Nice nice little pallet cleanser. 37:37 Best ongoing game. Destiny 2, Diablo 4, Final Fantasy 14, Fortnite in Hell, Divers 2. Can you really call Hell Divers to an ongoing game like it came out this year? I feel like an ongoing like Final Fantasy 14 has been out for like 5-6 years at this point. 37:57 Destiny 2's been out for like 10 years. I don't know. It's been 10 years. 38:00 Speaker 2 I thought it's difficult to choose this one, was it? 38:03 Speaker 1 For now, it's always been updated and ongoing. It'll be ongoing forever. Hell divers, Yeah, that's a good win, isn't it? One we like came for impact close to the distance indica, which I've heard good things right. 38:18 I keep seeing it on the star and I like they are and it looks good. I've heard very good things about it. Game called never life is strange, double exposure Senna with saga Hellbrake 2 tales of Zen 0 Zao tales of Zen 0 Zao. 38:40 Hang on so so you don't see any of the the actual winners? How would you read that right, Right at the top tales. 38:47 Speaker 2 Tales of Kenzu Razao. 38:50 Speaker 1 Yeah, Kenzu Razao, I guess. Yeah. Did I say Zen? 38:54 Speaker 2 Yeah. 38:55 Speaker 1 Must have just foster Zima games for impact. Games are impacted just like games like, oh, these are big and emotional things. Yeah, I don't think we know enough about them to say. 39:06 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't played any, never won. 39:11 Speaker 1 But it makes me want to lock them up and see, I don't mind a big emotional game. Games for accessibility, which I guess is like, helps disabled people play games better. Yeah, essentially. 39:23 Speaker 2 Yeah, just stuff like colour blind. 39:27 Speaker 1 Colour blind options, font text and stuff, which I'm so glad they've started implementing video games because remember there's a God. There was a time I think like especially during like some of the PS3, the era of Assassin's Creed games, dialogue, subtitles on the screen, which is tiny. 39:45 And I think even when Witcher first came out they were the same. I'm glad with APS 5 update you can actually change the font size. I'm like, why was this never an option? Do they not do they know people are sitting on the couches like kind of far away from the TV or at a distance? 40:01 But I have played many games in my time which were like, what is what is this text anyway? Prince Burgl Oscar on that one. Best performance? They used to be best male and best female performance but I guess they've just mixed them up. Hannah Tayley in life is strange. 40:18 Brianna White in Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. She probably played Arith I think humbly. Gonzialas Star Wars outlaws. Luke Roberts in Silent Hill 2 was James and Molina Jergens in Seno's Sacrifice. 40:36 He'll played two. I would have liked Luke Roberts to win in that because I thought he was like really good. Well, I've as I've only played two of those games, which would be Final Fantasy on Silent Hill. I just thought he did a really good. He did do. He did do a really good. 40:51 Speaker 2 He did do a very good job he. 40:53 Speaker 1 Did do a very good job of a man expressing absolute guilt for murdering his wife. 40:59 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I will say though that Send, while sacrifice, has a lot of very good acting in it. 41:05 Speaker 1 Oh it did. The first one was amazing, you know, shame the gameplay wasn't all the all there in the second one. It was just more because I played a bit of it. It didn't hit me. It didn't feel like the first one. It looks absolutely stunning but send a sacrifice. I'm like it is just about 8 hours or so of just walking and not not good walking with a few fights in between. 41:28 Speaker 2 A few fuds, plenty fuds in it. 41:30 Speaker 1 You've not played the second one. Don't. 41:32 Speaker 2 Play the second one, played the first. 41:33 Speaker 1 One, No, I'm telling you this is what the second one's like. Because the second one's an Xbox exclusive, isn't it because they own that studio? Because they buy studios? It's I will say the second one's not as good as the first one. For example, I didn't finish the second one and I had no 'cause to best audio design Astro Bot Call of Duty Black Ops Final Fantasy 7 send you a sacrifice or sand hill 2. 42:00 Speaker 2 What's this? What do you say? Sand design? Sound design? I mean, Sand Hill 2 should have won it if they didn't. 42:06 Speaker 1 Exactly, that's what I said I when I got here. I remember when Sandhill 2 has to win this one. If he doesn't win any award, it will win this one. Sandra Sacrifice won it. I get it because of the voice in the head and the whispers. I guess that's kind of cool. But I do think that sound design and Sandhill 2 is like unmatched. 42:21 Yeah, it's just amazing. Like, I've never, you never play a game where you're like I the way everything sounds right now is freaking me out. I feel so uneasy walking into this room. I feel disgusted listening to whatever noises are going on. 42:40 And then again, very similar category, but different, I guess. So that was best audio design. And then this one's best scoring music, Astro Bar, Final Fantasy Metaphor, Silent Hill 2, and Stella Blade. Again, I would have given it to soundhole too, but I'm not. 42:56 I'm not mad at the winner because it does have a banging soundtrack. And that's Final Fantasy 7. It is very grandua and orchestra. 43:04 Speaker 2 Yeah, it is. Yeah. 43:05 Speaker 1 I wouldn't mind if Astro bought one that as well. Sounds good. Yeah, it does got some bops. 43:10 Speaker 2 It does. It does. 43:12 Speaker 1 Most of the bops are all like a robot voice. Go in I am best art direction Mastrobot, which I don't really think should be in there because it's just it looks good, but our direction was it's just generic platform shit, isn't it? 43:31 Yeah, Blackmith Wukong, Eldon Ring metaphor, refantasia or never. Personally, I would have put that between Eldon Ring or Blackmith because they do visually look interesting and put metaphor on it and I we've seen what metaphor looks like had their other games, you know, medieval fantasy anime style. 43:58 Best narrative. You've played a few of these. You've played more than a few of these. Best narrative Final Fantasy 7 like a dragon infinite wealth metaphor send you a sacrifice or Silent Hill 2 for best narrative. What would you personally give it out of the you played three of them. 44:15 So Final Fantasy, Like a Dragon and Silent Hill two I guess you can decide from. 44:19 Speaker 2 Personally, I'd give it to cycle 2. 44:21 Speaker 1 Over Final Fantasy and Like a Dragon. Yeah, that's narrative. Yeah, I'd agree with that metaphor one, honestly. This game must be. It must be special. 44:30 Speaker 2 Don't have to get it you're. 44:32 Speaker 1 Just gonna have to. 44:33 Speaker 2 Which I was. 44:35 Speaker 1 You was gonna get it anyway, but I. 44:36 Speaker 2 Was gonna get it anyway. 44:37 Speaker 1 It's getting some high fucking praise. 44:39 Speaker 2 I was gonna wait till price dropped a little bit. You. 44:43 Speaker 1 Know it's getting more praise than a Persona game. Best game direction So best game director Astro bot bulatro blackmith elden ring Final Fantasy 7 on metaphor. 44:59 Speaker 2 Right from experience I can tell you that it's going to be one of two games and that's everything. 45:08 Speaker 1 It might not be. It might not be Bulatro on metaphor. I think in this list, personally I would give it to you even though it's DLC and I think it's fine to put DLC in this category. I think it should be either Blackmith or Elder Ring. Again, no I Final Fantasy seven I reckon could take it game direction. 45:28 Oh no no, I reckon I'd give this personally to Final Fantasy 7 to have a director of a game make the plot coherent and fill it out with so much shit that you actually want to do most of the time. Because Final Fantasy 7 has a lot of shit. 45:43 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 45:44 Speaker 1 But still, to put all that into it and like, still make you want to progress with the story, I think that takes a lot. I remember this, it was Kojima who presented this award. It was going on about, oh, directors make the games. 45:59 It's not everyone else. It's me. We are the best in the industry. It's all the director. Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't. It wasn't as bad as that, but it was cool. And then he got fucking. I don't think he appreciate Waldorf and fucking thing. 46:18 You're having a go at Jeff Keeler. He's best, mate. What do you reckon? One best game direction. 46:23 Speaker 2 Metaphor Astro bot I know. 46:27 Speaker 1 I was surprised as well. And then finally we already know this one anyway. But would you have? I know you want to personally pick this but we can discuss it. Game of the year, Astro bot, bilatro, blackmith, wukong, Elden ring, shadow of the ear tree, Final Fantasy 7 or metaphor? 46:48 I think metaphor being in game of the year, it's it's far too close to like each literally came out a month ago. If that how how can enough people play it and say it's like the best? But thing is, the problem is with the video games, things like that's like putting Indiana Jones in in the list. 47:06 It came out two week ago, you know what I mean? 47:09 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 47:10 Speaker 1 But is any game that comes out no in the running for next year? Like is Indiana Jones in the running for game of the year next year or is it just does it miss out? I don't know. I don't know the. 47:20 Speaker 2 Rules. I don't know the rules either. 47:21 Speaker 1 But I think the problem is with Game of the Year and stuff like this, a lot of this is publicly voted as well. You know, I voted online. I don't know if I don't know if you did. A lot of this is probably voted. But we love things we remember the most recently. 47:39 Like you're only as good as the last experience of it. Like I'll watch a film in a series of films. Like I'll watch a Marvel film and I'll go instantly because I've just come out to the cinema. That's the best Marvel film I've ever fucking seen. Because I'm riding that high and then I'll have the car ride home or whatever and then I'll go. 47:56 You know what? No, there's been a lot better than that one. You know, you think right for a while. So I think games that came out at the beginning of the year, like Final Fantasy 7 and Black Myth came out pretty early on. Same with Hell divers. 48:12 It's hard to keep them in the consciousness. Like, you play a game in March, it's quite difficult to be in the running for game of the year. If you come out in March, I think you've got to maintain the public eye for fucking seven or eight months, hoping nothing better that comes out. 48:28 Like if metaphor didn't come out, I reckon Final Fantasy would have won. Best RPG, Yeah, but it's but it's fresher in people's heads. And RPGs are, especially the JRPGS. They might take fucking hours. Hours. Hundreds of hours. 48:42 Speaker 2 It takes me like at least three. 48:45 Speaker 1 Yeah, hundreds of hours long. So if you were to play Final Fantasy 7 in March and then play Metaphor in fucking October or whenever it came out, you'd be like, oh, this is a bad game. I remember more about it. Vote for a metaphor, you know? 49:01 But I guess it's how it how it works. But again, Astrobots got the Astrobot one game of the year, which I'm fine with. I think it deserved it. It's a love. I know why it won because it's a love letter to video games. Yeah, and I feel like people who are saying Astro Box are not one game of the I think it's just a kids game. 49:23 It's a RIP off of Nintendo games or whatever. It's a RIP off of Mario. I feel like those people have not played it. Yeah, 100%. If you, if you don't think Astro Box will give, you've not played it because or if you've played it and you still don't think that you're soulless because it's charming as fuck. 49:40 And you can't call it a kids game because some of those channel levels, challenge levels are hard as fuck as well. 49:45 Speaker 2 Yeah, like a fucking nightmare. Some of those levels are only nightmares. 49:50 Speaker 1 And you Platinum. And you platinum. Sorry, you are platinum master, but we've also platinum Blackmith. Yeah, I am like you. I think I would have really enjoyed Blackmith to win it. Studio, first game out the door. Chinese. Chinese studios. Never really been in the mainstream before. 50:08 Usually they just do like, yeah, if a game studio comes out from China, it's kind of like a mobile game or something that just sucks your money or something like that. But they did a really good job. They're a relatively small team. That's nothing about Astro, but Astro, that's a team of like 60 people as well. Team of sober. 50:24 Credit to them because that game runs fucking flawless. Never had a single glitch in it. It runs smooth. It's I've had glitches in the other games. I've had glitch in Final Fantasy. I've had glitches in Black Myth. Yeah, they're the only ones I've played from game of the year. I imagine there's you can't glitch ball show. It's a fucking poker game. 50:41 I imagine it'll be glitching in metaphor. There's glitching in every game, but I've never played a game that runs so flawless. People have said it's a fucking shill game for Sony. It's just advertising Sony products. I'm like a lot of the cameo bots that you find in that, they're not even from Sony things anymore. 50:56 You know, you'd get Tomb Raider in the started off with Sony, but you get like can't think of any other characters that aren't aggressively a Sony character that are in the Devil May Cry, for instance, in the John Devil May Cry, it's his name. Yeah. 51:12 I'm surprised there's not a fucking Sonic the Hedge again. If they've got a fucking what's the guy from Yakuza called? 51:18 Speaker 2 From Old Yakuza or New Yakuza? Old Yakuza Kazuma. 51:22 Speaker 1 Yeah, they've got Kasma in there. You knew which one I was on about. It was all the one that's in astronaut. 51:26 Speaker 2 Just making sure. Yeah. All right. 51:28 Speaker 1 Guy. 51:29 Speaker 2 Just making sure if you. 51:30 Speaker 1 Got Kasma in there, which is to save a property anyway. I'm surprised I've not got a sign of the hedgehog cameo in there because it is just celebrating video games, you know? 51:40 Speaker 2 I mean, yeah, but. 51:41 Speaker 1 I know he's more of a Sonic. 51:43 Speaker 2 Has Sonic ever been released on PlayStation? 51:46 Speaker 1 Yeah, Sonic Heroes was the first game on PlayStation Two, and then every game since then he's been on PlayStation. Well the multi platform Sega aren't there, but Sonic Heroes was. 51:55 Speaker 2 The first, yeah, I was, I was, I'll be honest with you, I did actually forget about the last like 10 years and I was only thinking about the 90s and that's like. 52:05 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, I'm. 52:05 Speaker 2 Just looking at the camera. 52:07 Speaker 1 No, it's just, it's just a my Sega Saturn. A lot of people forget this, but Tomb Raider was also on the Sega star Tomb Raider one. In fact, Tomb Raider 1 came out on the Sega sand before it did on the PlayStation. Technically, Lara's a Sega girl like so by that logic, yeah, Sonic can appear on the Astrobot things, but you know, you got like freaking pyramid in. 52:33 Silent Hill's never been exclusive to PlayStation. I say that currently Silent Hill 2 is exclusive to PlayStation, which I didn't know, but it's sort of like a timed exclusive deal thing that they've got going on. Oh yeah, I, I did not know that. I just assumed it was available for everybody. It's on PC as well, but Xbox people just don't get it, I guess. 52:51 And I'm sure when it comes out, whenever it comes out, they'll be like, it's shit. What they're oh, it's really good or I don't know. I don't know what how they act when they get games like find out when we get Indiana Jones. We I might rebuy that on PlayStation. 53:07 You know, it's a good game. It's a good game, Although there is certain things that annoy me about it. Like it's got very I get why they didn't in first person because they didn't want to draw the narratives between an Uncharted or a Tomb Raider. And it's the team that did the Wolfenstein games. 53:24 Oh yeah. So did known for like first person Nazi punching games anyway. But yeah, yeah, there's a couple of things which I really don't like about it, which are like old game design that should think that why is this happening? This is annoying. So like at the moment I'm on an Egypt level, walking around a dig site near the pyramids and way off in the distance. 53:45 So I'm in a camp with all, like the I'm walking through a camp with all the locals, villages and workers. But over here there's a fenced off section where all the Nazis are. They've got their own Nazi base over there because they're also doing digs and stuff. They're hiring the workers. 54:01 But yeah, the Nazis are also here with their camp and their base. If I'm walking through the local camp or the local market and then there's a Nazi stood here guarding the fence of the camp, I walk past and he sees me. 54:16 His indicator starts going off like you, you've been seen hide because you've been seen by the enemy. And if he sees you, they'll all come after you. I'm like, I'm nowhere near that man. I'm just a local. Why is he attacking me? I'm not in the enemy base at this point. Why is he even coming after me? 54:33 Shit like that to me is like a problem that I had in games like years ago. Some early Hitman games did it. 54:40 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 54:41 Speaker 1 Like, why do you suspect me? I'm no one near you. I don't look like a suspect. Stop it. It's even worse when you you can get disguises. It's even worse when you disguise yourself as a as a local. You put on like robes and shit like that. 54:57 You know, you look like you fit in with a market. You're not dressed as a freaking explorer. Then a random Nazi will be like get in what the fuck? Because it's even worse. Like I think the game doesn't tell you when these things happen because it's like you don't really know what to expect. 55:15 Like I didn't realize the game, I thought it was going to be like a linear sort of explore level thing, sort of like Uncharted or maybe Tomb Raider, which is like open big tombs and stuff like that. But essentially each level is a big open sandbox with side missions and stuff to find and explore in that world. 55:34 But it starts off linear. So like the tutorial levels linear. The tutorial levels essentially just a recreation from Last Crusade. Indiana Jones is you get to play the whole bit where you put the idol on the thing. You do the sand, you run out The Cave, you run away from. 55:50 Like Indy wakes up, he's having a Daydream past adventure. That's the tutorial level. And it's a way for them to show off. Hey, look at look at, look at those. We made this look exactly the same. Cool. Then you play a little bit in Indy's college, meet school or whatever, which is just obviously a school. 56:07 You just walk around and then no enemies right now, pick up things, find things, discover, figure out why Tony Todd was trying to steal the side of fact. Rest in peace because Tony Todd's you beat him up a bit. Felt weird doing it considering he died this year. I was like, oh I know, I know. 56:23 It's weird that the greatest lightness in the game because he speaks Latin. I don't know if it was Tony Todd actually doing the dialogue. I imagine it was because he looks like him, but it was also weird because like he's playing a Nephilim. I believe so, which are like ancient giant things. I think that's where the plots go. 56:39 And I think he is one of these ancient giant people that used to live way back in the day. I'm like, did they hire Tony Talk because he is just a big guy? It's a video game. You don't have to hire an imposing big guy you could hire. You could hire Tom Cruise and make him look that big if you wanted. 56:54 Yeah. Yeah. But it was nice to see him. It's nice to see him in anything, really. Yeah. Played a couple of videos with a minute and recently, Spider Man 2 and Indiana Jones in the right circle. No. You fight him a bit, he escapes, You figure out why he was there. 57:10 Then you go to Rome. You start off in Rome. You start off in a museum. Oh, no. Before that, you have to, you're walking through something that's also very linear. And then you get to the the first big area of the game. You start off in a library and then you've been trained at that point to just see an enemy, stealth, you know, take him out and stuff. 57:29 As soon as you come out of this library, you're in this like open space in Rome and you see enemies walking around and shit. Yeah, all right. I'll just like stealth and punch them about. Then you realize it's a big market public square and you're like, oh, maybe I shouldn't just fight everybody I see. And you can't just really walk around that square as like, you know someone who's in Rome because there are just pedestrians and shit walking. 57:49 It's a big open area. So I'm like, the game doesn't do a good job of telling you straight away. Maybe don't just punch everyone you see over here. Don't crack your whip about. But no, it is it is very good. But there's just some sections which are all like this could have been handled better. 58:06 They could tell me what to do more. For example, I don't like the way they bring up the side quest menu. You've got adventure field notes and something else it's labeled as, but it doesn't really tell you which one you should prioritize over the other. 58:22 Like the main quest is not defined as the main quest. So sometimes I'll be doing. 58:27 Speaker 2 Oh, OK. 58:28 Speaker 1 I'll be doing the main quest when I'm thinking I'm doing a side quest. So I've been doing a side quest when I think I'm doing the main quest. I think that's just my own negligence for not reading things. But at the same time, selecting it isn't made clear on the notes because the notes are all happening. 58:44 It's not in a pause menu or anything. It's happening in real time. You open your notebook, you look through your notes, you select what you want to do. And I, I don't know, but sometimes I'm like, because some of the main, some of the side quests are really tying into the plot in a big way than mentioning the great circle, mentioning the Nephilim dimensioning this. 59:02 I'm like, wait, hang on, I'm doing a side quest right now. This feels important to the plot, you know, and not what makes you think the side quests are good, but you'll find them like loosely in the world. Like you'll pick up something and go oh, new quest, find 7 pieces of shit or whatever as as Indies tend to do. 59:21 But yeah, getting in a certain areas can be quite a chore, especially if it's a stealthy area. Sometimes the fighting, as good as it feels, can be a bit like, say, when you get grappled. Like, yeah, it says press both triggers simultaneously to break out the grapple. 59:38 I was, I was fighting Tony Todd a second time and he he every time he'd walk up to you, you'd grapple you. So you simultaneously pulled the triggers right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left. And every single time I do that, a few times they didn't throw me across the room and I'd lose a bit of health and I was like, am I doing this right or is that what's meant to happen? 59:59 Like because I'll hit him once, I'll see the animation to hit him once on the like right trigger, but then when I press the left trigger, he doesn't animate his left arm. And I'm like, I am pressing both triggers is a retirement issue. Is there a thing issue? If I did nothing, would he still throw me? 1:00:14 I just felt like I wasn't doing the right thing, but I might have been doing the right thing. But he still ended up throwing me across the room. You know, I don't know if I didn't press anything, he'd head butt me or something. But it was a long fight and I didn't want to chance not pressing anything. But I still don't know if I was doing it wrong, running around eating bits of fucking bread to get health back. 1:00:35 Because that's how you get health in the game. You eat bits of bread. 1:00:38 Speaker 2 Eating the seven bits of shit you've failed to pick. 1:00:40 Speaker 1 Up eating bits of bread, stale biscuits and to get stamina you eat bits of fruit. And I've never seen Indiana Jones. I'll never expect Indiana Jones to eat a full fucking lemon, but he does in this game. I like it, but there's issues with it. 1:00:57 Graphically it looks great. It is. I am playing on the weaker system, which is again why I think I might pick it up on the PlayStation when it comes out on the PlayStation one Good game. I feel like I'm robbing the developers by not giving them money anyway. Yeah, you know, I always feel a bit, there's a game on Game Pass that I'll play that I'm like, yeah, it's all right. 1:01:16 I was never going to buy this anyway. Like I was always going to buy Indiana Jones. It was one of the reasons why I what me that convinced me to get an Xbox for Game Pass, because I thought at the time there was three games that I thought, oh, they're Xbox exclusives. 1:01:32 I won't be able to play them and I want to play them, so I have to buy an Xbox. So Indiana Jones, Blade and Outer Worlds 2 turns out because of their shitty strategy they're all coming to other platforms anyway, so I didn't need to buy it I guess. 1:01:50 But it's still nice to have because like I said, I can go back. I can play all the Gears games, I can play all the Halo games, I can play all the Fable games. I can still play games I never played. I can still play games that might not come out on the PlayStation maybe. But I feel at this point, honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Xbox said, by the way, the Halo Master Chief Collection is going to be coming on PlayStation soon. 1:02:14 They'll definitely make more money putting them on other platforms. I can pay 1299 to buy. No, I can pay 1299 a month to play Indiana Jones. It's not going to take me a month to complete. I'll complete it in like a week or two. Sorry. It is. 1:02:29 But they're definitely got Xbox. Microsoft are definitely going to make more money by putting it on Sony's platform because it will be 70 LB. People will buy it. I'll probably buy it, play it again. It'll look better. It'll probably feel better because when I'm playing on the low end system anyway, so it will work better and it will just feel better with the controller anyway because I really do not like that through that Xbox controller. 1:02:54 It's clicky as fuck and I don't like it. It makes me feel uncomfortable when I play on it. It's just it does constantly. I'm playing and it's constantly. 1:03:10 I'm not just moving the analog stick around. Analog stick should not feel like that. Like every movement, prayer. 1:03:16 Speaker 2 Good. It is what I was saying to you though. Like when? 1:03:19 Speaker 1 I feel like a fucking mug for buying an Xbox game pass because yeah I don't need to know because those. I bet Blade comes out on the PlayStation as well. 1:03:29 Speaker 2 Yeah, it will do. It will. Yeah, but like say a few months ago, whatever it was when Xbox decided to do the secret acquisitions fucking bundle where they spent billions and billions of dollars on every single development team ever. 1:03:45 Speaker 1 We'll buy everybody, right? And then we'll close them down. 1:03:48 Speaker 2 So they spent all this fucking money. They've not even made half of that back yet. 1:03:53 Speaker 1 Not a Game Pass, no. 1:03:54 Speaker 2 They are going to need to start putting these games that they've that they've paid a lot of money for. 1:03:59 Speaker 1 Yeah, they're gonna because, because. 1:04:01 Speaker 2 They are gonna have to start because. 1:04:02 Speaker 1 Staffing made them no money. That was, that's what they were banking on. They were banking on everybody's going to buy an Xbox, everybody's going to get Game Pass for Starfield. Why on earth if you owned an Xbox would you buy Starfield outright for £70 when you can pay 1299 to own it? 1:04:21 Why would you? I mean, I feel bad for doing it, not for Bethesda. But you know, I say that Bethesda also part of Indiana Jones, but it's Bethesda's other. They're an umbrella company. It's machine games, whatever, but they own machine games. Why would Bethesda? 1:04:37 No, why would Microsoft like expect people to pay £70? That's why they do. Oh, by the way, you can buy this game full price and play it three days early. Like I saw people playing Indiana Jones like online and stuff and shit. I'm streaming it. 1:04:52 I'm like, oh, is it out? No, it's not out checked on my Xbox. Why is it not? I've seen people playing it. You can buy and play this early, you know what I mean? It's not, it's, they say that. They say Game Pass day one, but it's not, is it? It's Game Pass three days late. 1:05:08 Because if every big game that comes out in Game Pass, they do the same thing with Starfield, every big game going to be paid full price for it or paid normal price for it. You get to play it on time. I guess they're really banking on that FOMO thing. But with Starfield, I don't think it worked out for them because I don't think they made a lot of money back. 1:05:26 It's not a good game. You know, people wanted to fall out in space and it's not necessarily that or it is more of the same. It's boring, it's bland, it's repeat caves, it's repeat tombs, which I feel think you did a lot. Skyrim did a lot as well. 1:05:41 Like you go to a tomb, you solve the same puzzle over and over again. The things would look the same. You know, the things on the wall that you flip, a lot of the tombs would look the same. But you can also, you can always go. Yeah, but it's setting like a square area of the thing. But when you're hopping planet to planet to planet and you're going through buildings and every building starts looking the same, it's, you know what I mean? 1:06:03 It's not going to fulfil the excitement and wonder of a sort of a Bethesda Fallout style game which is all about exploration. You know, it's not. They're not going to make, I don't know how they're going to make money. It would not surprise me if when Starfield's done with all its updates and stuff and all its DLCS, it will just come to PlayStation. 1:06:22 I used to think, oh, it might not, but I think you definitely will at this point. You got to make money somewhere, and I think people will buy it. You might even buy it. Maybe, maybe, maybe. 1:06:31 Speaker 2 I have fallen out of love with Bethesda quite a bit to be honest. 1:06:35 Speaker 1 Yeah, Fallout 4 was like the first one where I was all like, not as good as Fallout 3. 1:06:44 Speaker 2 Yeah, I still liked it, still enjoyed it. It just didn't have the impact that three did for me. And it's like, say. 1:06:51 Speaker 1 The worst thing about it for me is like with Fallout 4 I got so close to the end. I've never finished that game. I'd literally got in the in the facility where you find your dad and I remember walking around thinking oh cool gorillas that's cool, never seen those assets in a fallout game before. 1:07:06 I think I just didn't play the rest of it. I must have been like an hour to the end. 1:07:09 Speaker 2 No, it's still quite a bit more than an hour. 1:07:11 Speaker 1 Is it? But yeah, it was after that facility. I think. I don't know if I even. I did get out and I was like, no, no, I never got to the. The giant robot comes back from Fallout 3, doesn't it? Yeah. Something Prime, Liberty, Prime, Liberty Prime. Yeah, I never got to that point in Fallout 4. 1:07:28 And I just never finished Fallout 4. And I don't know what it was. I just thought at one point I was like, no, never got any of the DLC for it. Never. The world felt smaller to me in some way. It was dense, but it just, there's something about it. It just didn't feel right. 1:07:44 I don't know if it's cuz they focused more on gunplay or than exploration. 1:07:49 Speaker 2 It was a bit more action in than the other ones to be honest with like say with Folly 3 and 4 New Vegas. The combat is very clunky, but I think that adds to the charm of the game was in Fallout 4 it was very. 1:08:04 Speaker 1 It was still combat centric, but it was still clunky combat as well. Well, but it's. 1:08:09 Speaker 2 Yeah, but not nearly to the level as what they used to be, but I think. 1:08:13 Speaker 1 Also, the combat in Fallout 3, New Vegas and Skyrim. Well, I know Bethesda Game Studios didn't do Fallout New Vegas, but if the combat's exactly the same anyway. But I think it's few and far between anyway. And it's like, that's the reason the VAT system exists in these 3D Fallout games, because they know it's clunky. 1:08:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the VATS, the system improves it and it makes it more of a sort of like a not necessarily turn based thing, but it it feels like that, you know what I mean? It gives you a chance for pause, it gives you a chance for loose tactics, I guess. Shoot a Raider in the head, shoot a wing off a bot fly if you hear you know what I mean. 1:08:48 Just gives it that sense of control over it I guess. 1:08:51 Speaker 2 You know. 1:08:52 Speaker 1 I think that's why I think I preferred worlds. It felt like a Fallout game that wasn't a Fallout game, you know? And I think that's like what Starfield should have been. But Starfield doesn't have any of that. There is probably comedic elements to it. From what little I played, I didn't get any. But it feels like it lives in a too serious world. 1:09:09 It's like this is a very realistic version of what could the future look like, and nobody wants that. It's very sterile and boring and all these facilities are like prefabbed buildings, you know what I mean? Like, oh, you got your copy paste buildings that you can just walk through. 1:09:25 There's no wonder to it, you know what I mean? Yeah, you can fly to like 9000 planet or 900 planets. I must remember why they're all desert and sand coupled with three points of interest on it and that's it. Not about it. 1:09:40 Cool. I can make my own ship I guess. 1:09:44 Speaker 2 I think that. 1:09:45 Speaker 1 That's the thing, sorry, sorry to talk again. They seem really hard up on base building these days. 1:09:52 Speaker 2 You can, yeah. And it started with a 444, yeah. They had like 10 different DLCS, which was just here's some all assets, here's some more things to build something with. I don't fucking care about any of that. 1:10:04 Speaker 1 Have they even started introducing it into the fall? Not the fall, the Skyrim remastered editions. You know, for the current Gen. of whatever Fallout 4 was on at the time. But oh, by the way, the homestead DLC, build your own house, build your own family, build a wife and I put your furniture. 1:10:23 It wasn't as like big as like building a full settlement, but they still put it in there because of Fallout 4, which came after the fact. And then Starfield again. Build your own base, build your own ship. I'm like, I want to do that. I just want to go go on a big RPG adventure. 1:10:39 Speaker 2 Unless they've done more for it since I've seen it, but the build your old house thing in Skyrim wasn't bad I didn't think because it wasn't like a try and intricately place all the shit you said. 1:10:50 Speaker 1 No, it was do this. It was minimal because it was put in after the fact, after Fallout 4 came out. But it's like, hey, let's go back and put some sort of building element into Skyrim, You know what I mean? My God, it was just hard to get all the wires to line up just to light one light. I think when it came to like protecting and building the salmon, I did it once. 1:11:08 I put a lot of effort into it. And then when you realize if you want to play the game that way, you have to do it so many goddamn times you have. 1:11:14 Speaker 2 To do it constantly. 1:11:16 Speaker 1 No, no. Oh, by the way, another salmon is. I do not care. I do not want to be reminded about other things while I'm trying to just explore. 1:11:24 Speaker 2 Because it's ongoing as well. You will always have that mission or two missions. Yeah, constantly in the. 1:11:32 Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up, Preston Gravely. Was that his name? 1:11:38 Speaker 2 Garvey. 1:11:38 Speaker 1 I was so close. I was so close to the game that played once. When he came back, I never went back. I do think sometimes I should go back to Fallout 4. 1:11:48 Speaker 2 I think it's a good looking world if I'm it. 1:11:50 Speaker 1 Is a good looking world and it is nice to go away. It is a good looking world and I do think it's got some great companions. Yeah, yeah, I really like Piper. 1:11:59 Speaker 2 You do what to her? 1:12:00 Speaker 1 Yeah, I would, but no. But I really like Piper. I really like Nick Valentine. He's great. These are some memorable companions which are up there with like, it's all Lydia and Boone from New Vegas. I can't remember any companions in Fallout 3. Fox. He was a super mute in Fallout 3 right? 1:12:16 Speaker 2 Fox was Yeah, yeah. Dog meat. 1:12:18 Speaker 1 Dog. Yeah. Dog meat's always a given, though. No, dog meat's the companion that you stay on. Stay on because I don't want. 1:12:24 Speaker 2 A day away from the day. 1:12:27 Speaker 1 Oh my God, finally dog me a companion. Don't come out with man. Never come on any adventures. Just stay here. I'll come back. 1:12:35 Speaker 2 Here and stay safe always. I love you, see you later. 1:12:41 Speaker 1 Honest that anyone who brings dodged me out with him on an adventure or evil. Why would you do that? I know he can't die but still I don't want to see him get hurt at all. But yeah, again, the marketing strategy are going all our imagine if PlayStation had that strategy of all our big exclusive games with day one on PlayStation Plus or whatever. 1:13:00 I think they'd lose so much money because. 1:13:03 Speaker 2 Just like Microsoft is losing so much money and. 1:13:06 Speaker 1 Sony's not as big as Microsoft. Microsoft are one of the billion dollar companies. I think Sony are only in the 1,000,000 millions of millions, but still I don't think they're a billion dollar company. 1:13:15 Speaker 2 Well, they must be most in there. I don't know. Sure, surely Sony is a billion dollar. 1:13:19 Speaker 1 I don't think, well Sony probably is a billion dollar company, but I think the game aspect of Sony isn't. I don't think they can drop 70 odd billion on a game studio just to buy it. Like did they buy, did Microsoft bought Activision for 60 billion or something like that? 1:13:35 That's insane. 1:13:36 Speaker 2 Yeah, that is fucking stupid. 1:13:37 Speaker 1 Considering Disney only bought fucking Star Wars for like 4 billion it that's insane. Like Microsoft have insane money. They are one of the rigid companies in the world. It's insane because they just do fucking computers. Sony do everything they do. 1:13:52 Motorbikes, keyboards, games. They don't do computers though. They do consoles. But yeah, also they do films. They say films, you didn't. No, I say motorbikes. They don't do motorbikes. 1:14:08 That's Yamaha who do keyboards and motorbikes, but Sony do do instruments. 1:14:13 Speaker 2 They do, but they do a lot of home entertainment stuff like TV's and stuff. 1:14:17 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, they probably are worth a few billion, but in total like the gaming division alone couldn't drop. Oh, by the way, with I know they do buy studios like they bought, but they buy in house, not in house studios which studios that like developed for them for a long time, like Quantanic, Quantanic Dream were never owned by Sony. 1:14:40 They just had like licensing agreements and stuff like for the longest time, like Insomniac were only recently bought by Sony about four years ago. They were just a freelance company that just chose to work with Sony for a lot of the deals because they like working for that studio or that company because for whatever reason, because that's why Insomnia ended up doing a exclusive game for Xbox, which I don't think did well. 1:15:02 It was, I think it was called Fuse or something, or yeah. They also did Sunset OverDrive for Xbox, which did really well. And then eventually like Sony was like, you know what, we'll buy you, you know, Sony Nordogg were owned by Sony for like years. 1:15:20 You know, they just, their model is we're not going to own you outright, but you know, if you make enough games for us, if you're good enough, you are a studio, yeah, then we'll own you. This sounds horrible, but we might, we might buy you. Whereas Microsoft, they're like going, they look at third party studios. 1:15:36 You've made a lot of good games, you've made a lot of successes. We'll buy that. We'll buy that. Where I feel like the opposite end of that with Sony PlayStation, they nurture studios to the point where they kind of want to be bought. When I feel like a company is owned by Xbox, I feel worried for that company, then that studio because like there's a weird one because I always go back to the Double Fine story because Double Fine, great studio, nice wholesome guys. 1:16:04 Tim Shaffer, great guy Psych and arts whatnot, started off on Monkey Island Games, fantastic brutal legend. Microsoft bought them in the Xbox One era, Xbox 360 era. 1:16:20 I think something happened with a game or something and then they didn't like working with them so then they didn't and then when they got rebought out by them, why are they going to these people again? Why? I know they needed the money to finish second house too, but why? 1:16:37 You know, like they've treated you bad before. Why would you go back to them? It's like with Tango Gameworks, who did hi-fi Rush, very good game. You know, they bought that studio because it's was a studio. They bought it out, paid a lot of money to it. I'm sure that's how the game got finished and looked as good as it did. 1:16:53 But then the game did really well as well, but it was free on Game Pass, so it didn't make a lot of money, but it did well. It went awards, but because it didn't make a lot of money translate, get rid of the studio, whatever. No, another company owned Tango games works. 1:17:09 Why what Larian said their game of the year. Well, the game of the air speech always is presented by the game that won it the previous year. So Larian said like, oh, the game that's going to win it in the future is going to be a game that's not run by greed and this and that and whatnot, which is what Larian kind of stands for. 1:17:28 And it's a, the product is the absolute testimony to that small team, small studio not working for any major conglomerate company or whatever. They're doing their own thing, funded it themselves. They did a whole fucking two years of pre whatever it was called early access, you know, made the game good and it was successful. 1:17:50 Is it a AAA game? No. But is it better than a lot of AAA games? Absolutely yes. I would say it's probably one of the best games that's come out in the past 10 years. You know, it's absolutely fucking phenomenal how that game is as good as it is. And then you look at Bethesda who have like over 500 people working for them and then they produce absolute shit. 1:18:09 Speaker 2 Slop after slop. 1:18:10 Speaker 1 Slop after slop. What are you doing slop after slop when you got fucking Larian over there producing like absolute liquid gold? Oh so good. Really excited. Whatever they do. Like I know I never played a definity game, but whatever Larian do next, I'm all on board just just because I have respect for them so much. 1:18:30 They make good games, they do good species, definitely understand it. They don't. They're not going to try and crunch their staff or whatever, you know? Which is also a big problem are we on about which is Microsoft buying everyone or game pass? Game Pass being a shit model. 1:18:46 Speaker 2 I guess so, yeah. 1:18:47 Speaker 1 Everything coming to other platforms anyway, it is surprising to me that expert or Phil Spencer has said that we are going to produce another, a boxed system, you know, like we're going to produce a console. Why? You clearly don't want to do that. You're clearly saying you could play Xbox on your phone, you play Xbox on your tablet, you can play Xbox on your TV. 1:19:08 All you need is an Internet connection. You can play Xbox games anywhere, so why bother? Stay on a console, do that, be a platform, be a do what Sega did back in the 2000s. Just be multi platform. Do that. It'll be better and you'll probably make more money off it. 1:19:24 But no, we need a box. Then again, it would be a very weird world if the only two sort of console gaming things out there was Nintendo and Sony. It would be weird. 1:19:38 Speaker 2 I think at first it probably would be, but I think you'd probably get used to it quite quickly. 1:19:43 Speaker 1 I feel like they should I. 1:19:44 Speaker 2 Think everyone would probably get used to it quite quickly. 1:19:46 Speaker 1 I feel like since Sony came into the market, there's always, there should always be 3 big console manufacturers. So like back in the day, it was just Nintendo and Sega that was that was it really? And there was other systems like there was an Amiga, there was the Jaguar and whatever, but they never took off. 1:20:03 It was just the big powerhouses were Sega, Nintendo, What are you one or the other? Start the console wars and PlayStation came into the mix and it was like, oh, there's three, there's three and a year. Hey, Sega, Nintendo or PlayStation. And then Sega dropped off. They'd vanished. 1:20:18 They decided to go just was it go not. Can't think of the name of it off top of my head. 1:20:24 Speaker 2 No, I can't. 1:20:25 Speaker 1 Just producing software, not hardware. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Just being software producers for their for their games, which worked out fine for them. Dreamcast. Dreamcast. Yeah, Dreamcast didn't do that well, even though it was good. I had one, but it was the definite. 1:20:42 It was the name of the coffin because they did a thing on it, which is all like, Oh yeah, you can power out games. I'm making it super easy. Yeah. That's why that fell under. Which I guess is sort of similar to the Game Pass model, but not. It's like a legal version of that. And then Xbox came in and or Microsoft came in and then there again, there was still 3. 1:20:59 So there's always been 3. So I feel it'd be weird if it would just went back to two. And I feel like I don't know what that would do to competition because I feel like the fact that Microsoft and Sony exist together, the PlayStation exclusives are as good as what they are because they're constantly trying to be bad on whatever the Xbox exclusive. 1:21:18 If you don't have that drive, will you still continue to produce good content or we just end up like say game free can just go. It doesn't matter how good quality we put out, it will be slopped, but people will buy it. You know I never want that to happen for like a Naughty Dog or a fucking Hoodoo Horizon. 1:21:35 Speaker 2 Oh shit. 1:21:36 Speaker 1 Gorilla Games. No, really. Yeah, it is. Gorilla Games. Yeah, Gorilla Games. I never want them to go lazy and think, oh, we'd have no competition now, because competition is good. I just don't think it's been that good for Microsoft because I feel like there's been competition and the way they reacted to that competition was just we'll we'll we'll buy studios, we'll buy Activision. 1:21:56 That's the biggest studio around, right? They do Call of Duty, they make the most money. Let's buy them. But yeah, you can still get Call of Duty on all platforms. Well, platforms not on Nintendo still buy that Call of Duty on PlayStation day one is you can get on Game Pass. 1:22:12 Obviously if you've got an Xbox, you're going to get on dingy. But I've seen people, we've just still been, you know, it's still selling really well on PlayStation, which is weird because they were banking on people won't buy a PlayStation or they will buy an Xbox for this game. 1:22:27 At this point, if you're a gamer, you already own a console. If you were into Call of Duty and you owned a PlayStation 5, would you pay £70 for Call of Duty or would you pay 300 and a pound for an Xbox and then another 1299 a month for Call of Duty, which I think is what they were banking on. 1:22:45 Clearly that didn't happen because why would you? Yeah, it's only 1299 on Game Pass, but I have to buy a 300 LB console, £70 on that over here. I'll just get that one, you know? Then I own the game and it's fine. 1:23:01 It's whatever. I'm not renting it forever, I guess. Yeah, I don't know how. I'm not really delved into it. I don't know how Game Pass deals with DLC and shit like that because if I'm essentially renting a game from Game Pass, then if I buy extra DLC, which you do do do, do I get it or do I have to buy the game to get it? 1:23:21 I don't know how that works. Like I've not seen it. I've not I've not seen it on Starfield, but I know they did that paid DLC for Starfield. I don't know if you have to own the game, like physically own the game. That's how they'd get you. Oh no, if you want to pay the if you want to get this DLC, you have to physically own the game. 1:23:38 Oh, but I've already completed it. No but you have to drop 70 LB on if you want to buy this DLC. Make people annoyed and get it I guess. 1:23:45 Speaker 2 Underhanded. 1:23:46 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, I'd be, I, I don't even know if that's the case. I don't know if that's, I could be dead wrong. You might be able to buy DLC. But then again, if I'm buying DLC for a game I don't technically own, that's weird. I can play it. I own the DLC for a game, but I don't own the game. 1:24:03 I don't know, but I think this generation's got a few more years left in it. Yeah, it's a bit sad that Naughty Dog have only just shown their new game off, because usually they do. They do four games per generation, which is not a lot, but it's what they do. 1:24:21 Yes, four games per generation and you can go back for a while. So it was always Crash 123 Team Racing, PS1 done PS2 Jack 1-2 and three Jack X Racing game. Then PS3 things got weird and it was Uncharted 1-2 and three and then the Last of Us new franchise, still four games that generation. 1:24:45 PS4 was Uncharted 4, Last of Us 2, and that was it. Just two that generation on PS4, I think. And then they might have done a remastered collection of Uncharted one and two or something. And it's like, yeah, I know. 1:25:01 I'm worried that in the PS Five generation, with this new game that comes out intergalactic, I would like to hope that this new franchise gets at least one sequel on this same system. Because the only PS-5 game they've done on this console is a remastered version of Last of Us Part 2, you know? 1:25:18 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 1:25:19 Speaker 1 Am I, I would, I would like to see this intergalactic thing, but then again I would also like to see in a Last of Us Part 2-3. But it's very rare they revisit franchises. I was very shocked that they did after Last of Us one. 1:25:35 I was very surprised that they didn't charge for I thought we were done forever. I hope that's a similar situation. I would. I kind of need a conclusion to Ellie's story. I don't feel like it was fully done in Last of Us Two. Could you count that as a fall on end if you need a a refresh I think. 1:25:54 Speaker 2 You could do, but it's. 1:25:55 Speaker 1 She gets back to the house. Dana's gone. The kids gone. 1:25:59 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, she tries to play a guitar, but she. 1:26:01 Speaker 1 Can't. She got no fingers and she's like, Oh no, this song that Jill taught me I can't play anymore, all for the sake of revenge. Like I have fun ideas of where I'd like the story to go, but I don't know if that's just saying shit because it's my ideas of it. 1:26:20 But I would also like an actual conclusion to it. But then again, I don't mind if the TV series goes on long enough to finish the story and I never play the ending. But the TV series just finished it. Because you've never seen the TV series, have you? 1:26:34 Speaker 2 No. 1:26:35 Speaker 1 So goddamn good. It's one of the best adaptations, I think, and it just changed some things. It just takes some liberties with things, but it is so fucking good. It is good. People are angry because Neil Drutman wrote and directed some episodes. Why is he involved? 1:26:51 I don't know. He kind of created the game. 1:26:54 Speaker 2 Getting out of here. 1:26:57 Speaker 1 No, it's really good. It's really, it's really fucking good. 1:27:00 Speaker 2 I would say that if they're going to do a lot of us Part 3, not of Ellie as the main character. 1:27:05 Speaker 1 I think Abby would be the main character. 1:27:07 Speaker 2 No fucking. 1:27:08 Speaker 1 Fuck them all. 1:27:09 Speaker 2 Yeah, just flash forward about 1020 years or whatever and just make a new story and new characters, right. Maybe you start off in the same encampment where Ellie is, maybe you can see her, maybe you can have a little chat or whatever. But then that's it. Just. 1:27:24 Speaker 1 I do think just I do think Abby's story, I was got more to it as well because like she was well on a way to like meet up with the fireflies, but she got intercepted in intercepted. And I'd want to know what the fire because you don't know what the fireflies are up to in Part 2 after they sort of disbanded in not disbanded in Part 1, but after the whole early situation in Part 1. 1:27:45 We don't know what the Firefly actions are like. The only thing we know about them in Part 2 is that before the game really starts, starts Abby's story, she's with them, but she's not by the end of it. And then it's like she's trying to find the remaining member of the Fireflies and it's like, what of them? 1:28:03 Where are they? She's not even with the Fireflies in Part 2 issue. She was at the very beginning with her dad. She's she's with a different thing. They call something else out there. They're not the W Yeah, they did the WF or whatever. Is that what they call themselves? But yeah, my sort of story is to finish the trilogy and everything. 1:28:23 Good things come in like a trilogy and then do a part 4 where it's got nothing to do with it and it's still set in the same world. I'd be fine with that, but I think for me it'd be Ellie tries to seek out the Fireflies to try and. 1:28:36 Speaker 2 Go on then. Essentially then, if you're on it. Essentially my brain then. 1:28:42 Speaker 1 Essentially that it'd be Ellie. 1:28:44 Speaker 2 I don't. I don't think that makes for a good story, I'll be honest. 1:28:48 Speaker 1 I think Ellie's lost so much. She's lost the woman she loves. She's lost a father figure. I think at this point she's like, you know what, my wife needs to have some purpose. I want to die. I wouldn't mind her seeking out the fireflies, having them have another go. 1:29:03 You know, just if, if there's a cure for this, whatever, I know I'll die doing it. This is my journey. This is what I'm going to try and fight for to save humanity. I think that'll give her a good storyline. And then the real kicker is because it's the Last of Us and the world's cruel and evil, she'll do it and they'll be like, this don't work. 1:29:22 How are we going to manufacture a cure to get out to everybody with what we've got? 1:29:27 Speaker 2 Yeah, obviously. 1:29:27 Speaker 1 Yeah, we can't do it. Oh, this girl died for nothing. And then people will be angry at that. And I'm like, you know what? That's a good story to me. And then throw Abby in there or something, like maybe, I don't know. I think that's a good story. I think that's better than doing an original game set in the world. What you're talking of is a spin off game, which is fine. 1:29:49 Speaker 2 You're not talking about. 1:29:50 Speaker 1 You're talking about you're talking about The Last of Us, insurrection or whatever. The spin off games always have a weird title. The Last of Us, not as much of us. 1:30:02 Speaker 2 Even less of us. Yeah, to say that my idea was a spin off. It sounds like it's also to say that half of us was Part 2 is a spin off when the plane is this fucking buff chick fall. She has nothing to do with anything spin off. So half of Part 2 is a spin off, you know? 1:30:19 Obviously not, is it? 1:30:20 Speaker 1 Joe killed her dad. She has every reason to go hunting for the guy who killed her dad. 1:30:25 Speaker 2 She was a made-up character specifically for Last of Us. She is. 1:30:28 Speaker 1 Tied directly to the plot though. 1:30:30 Speaker 2 If you do my idea for Last of Us part, you have. 1:30:33 Speaker 1 To tie direct to the plot unless unless. 1:30:36 Speaker 2 The plot is, is the fucking cardi sepsis everywhere? No, that's what. 1:30:41 Speaker 1 The main characters as well. If you want to do your idea, you'd have to have it as like Dana's daughter or whatever it is that's grown up. 1:30:47 Speaker 2 The fuck it will do that? That doesn't matter, does it? As long as drunkman, because is that easy, is is going to be writing it and directing it. 1:30:55 Speaker 1 It's his baby. 1:30:56 Speaker 2 As long as he doesn't actually touch on any of the characters that people love, then people won't hate his story for me, will they? 1:31:03 Speaker 1 No, they will because it's him writing it and then there are people who automatically hate that anyway he's involved and then if it ends up being good, they'll still find a reason to hate it. I found a lot of people have come around on Last of Us Part 2. A lot of people have said it is an amazing game because it is. 1:31:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, of course it is. 1:31:20 Speaker 1 But. 1:31:21 Speaker 2 I still retain that it is not the story that I wanted. 1:31:25 Speaker 1 I don't think anybody wanted it. 1:31:26 Speaker 2 And it also doesn't have the emotional weight that I think the drug been intended either. 1:31:33 Speaker 1 I cried. I cried when Joe died. 1:31:35 Speaker 2 Allow me to did you? 1:31:36 Speaker 1 Not cry when Joe died. 1:31:37 Speaker 2 Allow me to further explain, right? 1:31:39 Speaker 1 I cried and I had my mouth a gape at the same time I was. 1:31:42 Speaker 2 Like I was shocked and I was hurt that you would kill off the best character in the series. 1:31:49 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I also. 1:31:52 Speaker 2 Was which was his first folly, that that was the first mistake that he made. I don't kill off the best person. The second mistake that he made, if you're going to kill someone, kill them, yeah, Don't periodically bring them back multiple times throughout the story, because what that does is it takes the weight away from him being dead. 1:32:11 If you spend another six hours with them, 7 or 8 hours or whatever it is. 1:32:16 Speaker 1 I hear what you're saying. I do disagree with that. I think every time we do a flashback and we play as Joel or Ellie with Joel, I like it because it it fills in the gaps and it makes me feel like Ellie remembering like what we've lost. 1:32:32 To me personally, I liked it. Let me spit finish. I have genuinely thought about this a few times. If you put all those flashback sections before in chronological order and you put it before the main game and you build up to Joe's death, I don't know if it would be better or worse. 1:32:52 I have generally. I don't know that I generally should do that. Your opinion? I don't think for me, for me, for. I think it's better that we see Joe die early on. 1:33:07 We play the flashbacks building up to it because it makes one of the last flashbacks way more emotional. When Joe is on that it's the last night he's alive, the last night he's alive, the last time he speaks to Ellie and he apologizes and then Ellie's a bit despondent about that. 1:33:24 Apologies. Just like I don't really give a shit, but he he does. That old man effort, It's like, I know I fucked up in some way. I was trying to help you. I was trying to defend your honor. That guy was a brick with you. I know I might have showed you up a little bit, but I am fucking sorry. I know it's where you are but I'm fucking sorry about whatever. 1:33:40 That scene broke me and I don't think that scene would have broke me if I saw it before he died, but seeing that towards the end of the game gets me every time. I've only played through it twice but it honestly makes me bald in my eyes and I feel like that wouldn't happen if it was towards the beginning. 1:33:57 You can still do it your way and have that bit of the end. You still do it your way and have that at the end. But I feel like that scene has to be at the end. Also, I would argue that they did a really good job of making me actually feel for someone I initially hated. 1:34:14 Like, yeah, I don't like a fucking Abby. Nobody liked Abby at first. She, she fucking killed my hero. She killed my horrible man of a hero. She killed this murder and scoundrel of a hero. She, you know, she killed him. I don't like her. But when I was beating the shit out of her as Abby, as Ellie, I was like, he's off a bit early. 1:34:32 Come on. No, I don't. I feel uncomfortable watching. It's just maybe let it go. I think you did a good job at that direction wise. I will say the game did go on too long anyway. Well, that whole prologue section, I I think it was needed, but I think it went on too long. 1:34:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I thought the game was ended and then, oh, here I am in fucking San Francisco, Hollywood or wherever it was, and then there's a full game. Oh, this would absolutely be a spin off game, even if it did start early. If you read do you know when you get to, I can't remember if it's Hollywood or wherever it is, LA or wherever, when you, when you get to that tropical climate, that prologue section, If you go through and read Ellie's diary, there's a full game though. 1:35:18 She's talking about going through Vegas and things all over America. You know, to get to the point where she's at, you read a diary. She's talking about how she was fighting clickers in Vegas, fighting things in this place and whatnot. I'm like, shit, there's a full, it's a full game though, You know, that would be a spin off game that would happily play, but it wouldn't add anything to the world because I'm just playing a a section that precedes another section. 1:35:42 Yeah, which I don't really like sometimes because I do like exploring that world. I do want more of it, but I want to find out what the future of that was like. But like you, I would say I would like to know what this world is like 20 years later. But I don't think we need to know that because the first game starts with this happened, the Outbreak Day happened, and it starts with Joe being 20 years later on. 1:36:06 It's like 20 years later, 24 years later. That's a long fucking time. Again, that would be a good prequel game. Do a game set as play as Joe going up to the events of Last of Us 1. You know Sarah has just died. Hope what happens in the world. You know, how does he end up in this fucking camp? 1:36:22 How does he end up being a smuggler? How is he such a Dick? You know, because he is lovable Dick. We do like him. There's a rogue. We love a rogue. When you Han so loves a deck, What? Everybody loves him. Everybody loves a deck, A lovable deck. 1:36:40 Did you know Hotline Miami was in The Last of Us 2? 1:36:42 Speaker 2 Did I? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course I did. 1:36:48 Speaker 1 What a weird crossover. I do like the game. It's difficult to play, but only because it's so it's not a world you want to visit a lot for fun and enjoyment. It is. It is hitting you over the head with the brutality of it all. 1:37:03 I'm sorry, I'm on Frederick's rice. I will play it through a third time I reckon, but I think after that I'm done with it. I think I'll do. I think next time I'll do it. I'll do Last of Us one straight into Last of Us 2. 1:37:15 Speaker 2 Yeah, I haven't. I've not played the first one for a very long term. 1:37:18 Speaker 1 First one is good. I will say it. Say what you want about the story, you can hate on the story so much, but people saying the gameplay's off, but the gameplay's like fucking story is well, better than the first one. It's smooth, it's fluid. Yeah, it's cool. Fucking rope physics. 1:37:33 Like there's one point when you're in like some like overgrown city, obviously, and you like, there's a rope dangling on a piece of glass. And then you shoot the glass and the rope falls down. Oh, it's so cool. Or you have to throw the rope over something so you can then climb the rope. 1:37:51 Oh, and then the weight moves. Like there's been like compilation videos of people just wiggling the rope around going, Oh my God, it ties around these objects. It doesn't just pass through them. But when the rope curves, it doesn't have fucking corners on it. Oh my God, no, I don't. You're Wizards. You didn't need to put this much effort into a fucking rope. 1:38:08 I I feel they always do that. We one thing. I think the first time it was with Uncharted, with the water. Why? Yeah. Yeah. Why is Nathan Drake's pants like, slowly getting wetter? Why's the water, like rising open his pants? First time I played on PS3, that blew my fucking mind. And then I, I guess with Uncharted, too, they did the same thing with snow, and then they did the same thing with sand. 1:38:27 Yeah. What can we do that that looks the best ever? Well, we'll do this. And then what's the thing that we can do in The Last of Us? I don't know The most emotional story ever told. That's what we'll do. That's what physics will add to this game. Emotion. 1:38:43 Physics will make everybody cry within the 1st 10 minutes. Then we'll make everybody be shocked and questioned the morals by the end. Because I've said this many times, The end in the last was when Joe Weiss, I write to Ellie. No. Yeah. Is everything he said is true? 1:38:58 Could they not cure me? Did did all this happen? Is it everything he says true? And he goes, Yep. Yeah. And then she's like, OK, just close to black. I was like, don't know how I feel about that. 1:39:14 I think I can rationalize it. What would you do in that situation? 1:39:18 Speaker 2 I'd have lied. 1:39:19 Speaker 1 Same, I would have lied the many years I've been thinking about I have rationalized that as I would also lie because I think people saying Joe was wrong for not lying and he should have let Ellie die. You're taking a very slim chance that would have worked to save humanity. 1:39:36 Speaker 2 I think it's, well, yeah, but I mean, it's a very black and white way to view it as well. 1:39:42 Speaker 1 Yeah, because you got to, oh, you're going to manufacture a cure. They're going to synthesize it. They're going to get it out to people who have been bitten because they shoot, I'm assuming the cure you'd have to, the antidote, you'd have to give it to everybody. Not, not if they've been bitten and get it to them quick. You just have to give it to everyone. Be like a vaccine. 1:39:58 You want to give it to them before they get it. Because I was immune. I would like them to introduce if they do do a Part 3 someone helps who's also immune. Maybe Ellie not the only one. Then she questions if Joe was like, no, she wouldn't question that 'cause he told her the truth. 1:40:14 But I think that's something that adds to the flashback scenes as well when you when Joel admits to. I think if we got that early on in the game, it don't think it would have services where it was placed. I think it was placed at the right time and thing. 1:40:26 Speaker 2 This is what I think right? Go on. Don't have any the flashbacks in the game. 1:40:29 Speaker 1 Would you start it canonically and go through? I just don't have them all. 1:40:32 Speaker 2 No, all the flashbacks that occur after Joel's death, of which there are many and they are smarter to earned. 1:40:38 Speaker 1 Which annoys me when people say Joe's not even in the game because he's a fucking yeah all the way through yeah. 1:40:42 Speaker 2 He is, which again? 1:40:44 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:40:45 Speaker 2 If he wanted to write so much for Joe, why did he fucking kill him? The fucking idiot Anyway? Don't have him in the game other than DLC. Like like that. Yeah, these are. 1:40:58 Speaker 1 Great, Yeah, could have been, but then people like be angry that, oh they killed Joe, but you get to play as him in DLC. Don't be angry at that cash grab. The Last of Us 2 didn't have any DLC, did it? 1:41:10 Speaker 2 No, but it's like. 1:41:11 Speaker 1 It's a shame because I would have, I would have generally liked more. Anytime I can go to that world, I'm happy. I mean, I'm not because it's brutal. 1:41:18 Speaker 2 5 minutes ago you were saying, oh it's stressful, it is. This is the place you don't go to. It's. 1:41:25 Speaker 1 One of. 1:41:25 Speaker 2 Them that you're saying I love it here. I do. 1:41:28 Speaker 1 It's one of my favorite video games of it's one of my favorite video games of all time. The whole series I'm like, I fucking love it, but I hate it at the same time because why would you? If you could be trapped in any video game world ever, you wouldn't pick that one, would you? No, what would you pick? Because all video game was horrible monsters and shit and everything I. 1:41:48 Speaker 2 Know I. 1:41:48 Speaker 1 Know overcooked, stressful. Why don't we trap that? You know, it's kind of interesting. 1:41:55 Speaker 2 We've played a thing, actually. 1:41:57 Speaker 1 Also, if you trapped any video game mode, you have to assume you're not a main character. You're just like an MPC in that world. Live in existing. Yeah. Oh, Skyrim's beautiful. Yeah. Are anywhere in The Elder Scrolls? Constant bandits, Dragons and trolls everywhere. I can't. 1:42:12 Even if I was in one settlement, it's a struggle to walk to another settlement. Constant things happening on the road. If the main characters, you know, led me to believe, I would say for me personally, it would be sad punk. That is a world which is very similar to our world. 1:42:29 Speaker 2 Life with Clive. 1:42:30 Speaker 1 Rife with crime, corruption, but. 1:42:34 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, I can't wait for someone to hack my eyes while I'm on the 2. Rob me blind boy. And then 20 minutes after that, someone murdered me. 1:42:46 Speaker 1 Why would they go? I'm just an MPC living in that world. 1:42:49 Speaker 2 Yeah, which means that you're susceptible to climb like a new one. I've. 1:42:52 Speaker 1 Still got myself. I've got, yeah, I've still got the same job I've got someone was going to look at my fucking optics and second thing, oh, he's got no fucking money. I'm not going to rob it. I'm fine. 1:43:02 Speaker 2 You have plenty organs about you they. 1:43:04 Speaker 1 Say it's not that bad, right? Because there's many people in the world that are just living and existing around. It's not just whatever. I think it's a cool world to live. 1:43:14 Speaker 2 The satellite like OK, like listen, it's. 1:43:16 Speaker 1 Like living in like it's like being an MPC and you could. 1:43:18 Speaker 2 Be listen, you could be. Don't liken it to GTA because it's not like GTA at all. 1:43:24 Speaker 1 Yeah, no, you're an MPC living in that world. It's like being in in GTA where it's just a world. It's just, it could be, it could be LA, it could be New York. It's just a world. There's crime and it's right. 1:43:33 Speaker 2 But it's mega future. 1:43:34 Speaker 1 It is mega future. 1:43:36 Speaker 2 Which is a stark difference to what GTA isn't it? You can't, you can't compare the bull saying yeah, it's just an MPC. 1:43:42 Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm saying GT was boring because it's just the real world. 1:43:45 Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's a lot fucking easier to live there than any other game then if I. 1:43:49 Speaker 1 Could get a robot Dick in cyberpunk. 1:43:52 Speaker 2 What are your wage? 1:43:53 Speaker 1 No, there's a Speaking of that, there is a side mission in Cyberpunk 2077 where you find a guy who's got a robot Dick that's malfunctioning. It's gonna blow off, and if you don't get him to the Ripper dock in time, he just dies. 1:44:10 So maybe I won't get a robot Dick because his penis blows up. I like the saying I could wake up. I could wake up every morning in my little cubicle, look at the window, go God damn. I like these fucking technological colors and ADS everywhere, all in my face. 1:44:27 I love being bombarded with advertisements all the time. 1:44:30 Speaker 2 Shell straight into my optics Yeah, exactly because I had my eyes replaced but like I said, like in you're. 1:44:39 Speaker 1 Not going to talk me out of it. I want to live in Night City. Where would you live? Let me tell you how shitty. Let me tell you how shitty you. 1:44:50 Speaker 2 Are because I'm not finished Yeah go on, allow me to be familiarize yourself with some dangers. 1:44:59 Speaker 1 I played the sad punk twice. I know the dangers. 1:45:01 Speaker 2 Listen, I. 1:45:02 Speaker 1 Am the danger? 1:45:05 Speaker 2 You are just NPC, which means that you don't have main character money, you don't have main character characteristics. You don't? Yeah. 1:45:10 Speaker 1 There's some living in that world. I can find like 50 eddies in the trash can. They just burn all. 1:45:18 Speaker 2 Right, listen, I can actually say this though, because I because I watched it in the edge runners. 1:45:23 Speaker 1 Yeah, you can't say it. It's speechless. 1:45:31 Speaker 2 Whenever his mum's just driving down the highway. 1:45:34 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:45:35 Speaker 2 And then rippers or whatever they are cyber. 1:45:37 Speaker 1 Cycles. 1:45:38 Speaker 2 No, they're not cyber cycles, are they? 1:45:40 Speaker 1 You're not Ripper. Ripper Docks. 1:45:43 Speaker 2 Right. Firstly, I never said Ripper docks. 1:45:46 Speaker 1 I said Rippers, just you're about a gang. 1:45:48 Speaker 2 Yeah, the gang, right, which opens fire on that corporal vehicle not giving a fuck who's in the crossfire. That's you. That's you. Who's in the car? Yeah, yeah, you're so unimportant that you're getting murdered from a strange bullet. 1:46:02 Speaker 1 Right. I get it right. Yeah. 1:46:04 Speaker 2 So don't. Don't tell me that you are safe. I'm not. 1:46:07 Speaker 1 Safe. I'm not. 1:46:08 Speaker 2 Just a normal MP. 1:46:09 Speaker 1 Not safe. I know that, but my argument is no video game world is good to live in because it's a video game world. You could say like. 1:46:19 Speaker 2 I've got one anywhere it. 1:46:20 Speaker 1 Was it's Spider Man 2 not boring. 1:46:22 Speaker 2 No. 1:46:23 Speaker 1 Just New York. It's not New York City, but there's a chance of getting shot in the face by one of Craven's marks. Boring. It's not. 1:46:33 Speaker 2 That choice. 1:46:34 Speaker 1 Why would you pick but it's? 1:46:35 Speaker 2 Not that choice. What's? 1:46:36 Speaker 1 Your choice, it better not be some cozy bullshit game. 1:46:39 Speaker 2 Infinity naked you've. 1:46:42 Speaker 1 Not even played it. 1:46:44 Speaker 2 I don't care. I know that that's what I'm safest. You're pinching your butt because you can't think of a reason why I'm in danger in that world. 1:46:53 Speaker 1 I have seen clips of monsters in that game. There's a big boss so it's called like the caged or something. Either way, right? 1:47:01 Speaker 2 Yeah, he's fully on top of the fucking minding. Nikki will deal with that. I'm not going up there. I'm not. 1:47:06 Speaker 1 I'm the only thing is infinite Nikki, Right? You want to live in that world, that's fine. You may as well just move to the fucking forest. The same thing. 1:47:15 Speaker 2 Absolutely not. There's bears in the forest, there's wolves in the forest, all the. 1:47:20 Speaker 1 Ones near us, not the ones in the cube, right? I am saying I'm not trying. I'm not asking you the question. The safest world to live in. I'm asking you the world which you would want to live in the world. 1:47:35 Speaker 2 Gave me a load of shit about the world if it was a danger. If it was a danger, the. 1:47:39 Speaker 1 World we currently live in is a fucking danger all the time. Literally people are getting stabbed every day. You live quite close to us on the streets in broad daylight. That's insane. There's danger everywhere. Point being, what video game world would you want to live in? Not the safest one. 1:47:55 Which one would you think's the most visually appealing for you to live in? Like you go, you look outside your wonder arms. Or if I live it. Or I could actually function as a human being here. I could have a job, I could make a wage. I could meet a woman, I could father some children, whatever. What world would you want to do that in? 1:48:12 Yeah, there's, there's going to be dangerous. 1:48:14 Speaker 2 You an answer, there's going. 1:48:15 Speaker 1 To be dangerous to it no matter what game you pick. 1:48:18 Speaker 2 Skyrim. 1:48:19 Speaker 1 Skyrim. 1:48:19 Speaker 2 I would happily live in Skyrim. 1:48:21 Speaker 1 So The Elder Scrolls games, but specifically in the Providence of Skyrim? Yeah. What are the other provinces? Is fucking cyridal that one? 1:48:30 Speaker 2 Yeah, elsewhere. 1:48:32 Speaker 1 Black Marsh, but you specifically want to live in Skyrim. 1:48:36 Speaker 2 The fucking yeah. It's full of nods in it. It's full of that kind of. 1:48:40 Speaker 1 Cold though, isn't it? 1:48:41 Speaker 2 Not all of it. 1:48:42 Speaker 1 Most of it's cold. 1:48:44 Speaker 2 Half of it might be cold and the rest of it is like summertime and. 1:48:48 Speaker 1 All the Skyrim's gonna be cold. There's frost everywhere. 1:48:51 Speaker 2 There's not floss it. 1:48:52 Speaker 1 Constantly looks like autumn. Maybe the game's set in autumn, I don't know. 1:48:58 Speaker 2 Yeah, because because I am just an MPC, I don't have to do any like fight innovation. You don't have adventure. If I wanted to, I could join the companions. 1:49:06 Speaker 1 Yeah, you know what I mean. Good. But I would keep a low profile. What would you be? Would you be a blacksmith? Yeah, absolutely. I'd say he's a blacksmith. 1:49:15 Speaker 2 Definitely. 1:49:16 Speaker 1 Some fucking main character comes up, pushes to one side and starts. 1:49:22 Speaker 2 Knocks out 150 iron daggers and then yeah, folks off, yeah. 1:49:25 Speaker 1 Just a level up. 1:49:27 Speaker 2 Suddenly I have to buy them all though. Yeah, and the look around and none of my stock is here. 1:49:35 Speaker 1 That's a risk you take living in that world. I guess. Honestly, like I actually think Skyrim's a good choice. But the fact that like I would like to venture from in my personal life, I like to go. I think I'd be very bored staying in one place. I don't have to stay in one place, but getting a car to the next town or the next settlement, knowing that there's fucking trolls on the road, just the and mammoths just ready to fucking stomp me out. 1:50:04 Nah, it's too risky. And I know what you're gonna say about my cyberpunk thing. Like, yeah, this is the risk of a stray bullet, but that could happen in the real world, anywhere, you know, here. Yeah, there is that risk. I agree with you. I'm gonna drop some lawful. 1:50:18 Speaker 2 I'm gonna drop some. Let me say my bit first. 1:50:21 Speaker 1 I've been stabbed in real life, so I know the dangers of the world. 1:50:32 Speaker 2 Oh Lord. 1:50:34 Speaker 1 I tell you what that's happened did not feel as good as I did not feel as bad as getting a full on club to the face from a giant man. 1:50:45 Speaker 2 Do you know what I'm gonna change? 1:50:46 Speaker 1 Also a dragon could come from Delaware and just burn your village down just because it feels like it. 1:50:51 Speaker 2 I'm gonna, I'm gonna change my eyes a little bit. 1:50:53 Speaker 1 Go on. 1:50:54 Speaker 2 I would be still still within The Elder Scrolls universe. 1:50:58 Speaker 1 All right, in Gamriel Tamriel. I knew fucking that. 1:51:02 Speaker 2 But instead of Skyrim, I would be an Argonian in Black Marsh. 1:51:08 Speaker 1 I'd I'd you'd have to explain that also also can't we? What sets what sets The Elder Scrolls apart from any other like sort of fantasy RPG? Like why would you want to live in the fucking sword cost or something? 1:51:23 Speaker 2 I feel like I'm in more danger in. 1:51:26 Speaker 1 DND yeah. Do you think as an NPC you've got to do like, checks on everything every day? Like, oh, I wake up, I roll A1. 1:51:36 Speaker 2 Just. 1:51:37 Speaker 1 Coming. 1:51:38 Speaker 2 Into my fucking store. 1:51:41 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:51:41 Speaker 2 Chatting shit and because I because they bowled well I suddenly have to give them what they want. 1:51:46 Speaker 1 You've also got a role as well as my. 1:51:49 Speaker 2 Starts. 1:51:50 Speaker 1 Yeah, your MPC. 1:51:52 Speaker 2 Start. 1:51:54 Speaker 1 With your nine health. 1:51:56 Speaker 2 With my negative ability modifiers, yeah. 1:51:59 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:52:00 Speaker 2 Absolutely no chance. 1:52:01 Speaker 1 Well, yeah, let's say this. But if you choose to live in sort of like AD and D world, you can choose a class and a subclass and your own race. So you might give yourself a bit of advantage. I'll be a dragon subclass. 1:52:20 Fire. That's my race. Oh shit. 1:52:28 Speaker 2 We should wrap it up. 1:52:30 Speaker 1 Oh God, the fucking albatross. I had Palakin in my head. 1:52:37 Speaker 2 Still a seafaring bird. 1:52:39 Speaker 1 Like a fucking Palakin. But now that's getting closer I can see it's the albatross. Oh shit, it's getting closer. We best wrap up is that is that the same? That's the same. 1:52:55 Fuck. We're best go Oh. 1:52:59 Speaker 2 God. 1:53:00 Speaker 1 Shit, I've been Mike a high, high my. 1:53:06 Speaker 2 God. 1:53:08 Speaker 1 What I said I was gonna do. 1:53:10 Speaker 2 You never said you're gonna do that. Ever. 1:53:12 Speaker 1 I said I was gonna do a Simpsons quote for my sign. That's what I'm doing. The Pelican's getting closer. We're going to do quotes. Every sign off. I've been Mike Ahoy. Hi. Oh. 1:53:27 Speaker 2 Shit, I got to think this is so much. 1:53:34 Speaker 1 Just say your name of The Simpsons quote so we can wrap it up. 1:53:38 Speaker 2 I've been Jack am I swear to touch? No, it's the children that have on. 1:53:44 Speaker 1 Brilliant. Next time.