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Episode twenty:
Louis Braille - The Original Wind-Up Merchant

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Contents

Unearthing Talent: The Rise of Independent Animators (0:00)
Revisiting Classic Cartoon Network Shows and Their Creators (4:38)
The Distinctive Animation Style of Genndy Tartakovsky (8:27)
Debating Star Wars Lore and Controversial Creator Views (12:59)
Navigating The Witcher: Books, Games, and Netflix Adaptations (18:06)
The Moral Dilemma: When Superheroes Break Their No-Kill Rule (25:38)
The Battle Between Fan Expectations and Creative Adaptation Choices (31:28)
From Fantastic Four Jokes to 'Wind-Up Merchant' Origins (39:21)
Tracing the Origins of the 'Wind-Up Merchant' Term (46:11)
Unpacking the 'Three Days' of Jesus's Easter Resurrection (54:48)
The Accidental Blinding and Invention of Louis Braille (57:41)
The Art of Animation and the Path to Viral Recognition (1:02:59)
Wrapping Up: Cube Time, Celebrity Drinks, and Animator Shout-Outs (1:08:08)

Unearthing Talent: The Rise of Independent Animators

0:00	Drake is only doing more Dukes of Hazmat video because it's popular now. Well not that that's popular because that was. I don't think that is a popular. It might be the most popular series he's done, but because of the shoe body thing.
0:12	Speaker 2 That's not fair. It's gained popularity.
0:14	Speaker 1 Yeah, I.
0:15	Speaker 2 Don't know, and it probably is. I would imagine it's probably his favorite.
0:19	Speaker 1 Thing a lot of his artwork seems to be lab based and weird shit so that's probably like yeah, his prized possession I guess.
0:30	Speaker 2 Yeah, I look, it's probably something that he's.
0:33	Speaker 1 Hopefully.
0:34	Speaker 2 What's the word I'm looking for Most proud of, I bet.
0:37	Speaker 1 Magnum opus.
0:39	Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I reckon that's probably is what we could.
0:44	Speaker 1 Yeah, hopefully it blows up before Halloween. So our costumes, I'm totally lost.
0:52	Speaker 2 What's the price on them again? Like £8 each or like.
0:54	Speaker 1 Yeah, something like that. And you got like a pack of sex in anywhere between like 8 and a tenner or something like that. Don't know where we'd go about. Not that I necessarily need them because I don't. We'd have them on all the time because we'd be out drinking and talking.
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	1:13 Speaker 2 Yeah, the big beekeeper type of. 1:16 Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't really be able to get hold of them. 1:18 Speaker 2 You don't know we like. 1:19 Speaker 1 Even so, I don't think I'd want to wear it because being foggy in there all night I. 1:23 Speaker 2 Mean we don't have to wear them constantly. They, their characters don't do it. Yeah. 1:27 Speaker 1 I know I feel like we'd wear them for a bit like 5 minutes and that's it. So I feel like people won't be able to hear us when we've got them on. Might invest in some heavy duty rubber gloves as well. 1:37 Speaker 2 Well, I was actually looking at just some pictures of them because I thought in my head I couldn't picture what they had on the hands and feet. But it's big black boots and big black gloves. 1:48 Speaker 1 Invest in some rubber gloves as well. I call Theo and. 1:53 Speaker 2 Theo and Gloves I. 1:55 Speaker 1 Think Theo's the one in the blue. Or is it? 1:58 Speaker 2 No. Easy. Yeah, You know. 1:59 Speaker 1 Yeah, because our first introduction to me had shot her. You have to shave it off because you got lice. I don't know if I sent it to you, but someone, in fact, the TikTok community who like the shoe buddy, whatever shoe buddy bop. 2:15 Yeah, who like the shoe buddy song. They discovered the sort of prelude to that, you know, which is it was called something like 1 was in a bank. It was just that video speed up, but they dubbed you Buddy over it and all the comments were like, Oh my God, they've done a follow up. 2:32 Oh my God, they've done a sequel final. I might want the music doesn't even fucking match to do a sequel. Something vaguely offensive. It's called something extremely offensive. 2:42 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. What's the guy's name again? 2:46 Speaker 1 DLI just can't remember what the actual things are new. 2:49 Speaker 2 Langua. 2:50 Speaker 1 There you go. I remember the D and the L and I remember it being awkward, but yeah, good for him. 2:57 Speaker 2 You know what actually good for him. 3:01 Speaker 1 He seems to be someone that would like, I don't know if what, what he's like personal wise, but he's pretty funny guy and he does these things by himself. He seems like someone who would fit right in with the sort of the Smiling Friends crowd, you know, the Michael Cusack of it all. 3:17 Yeah, yeah. 3:19 Speaker 2 I think it's quite nice that a lot of these not particularly well known creators are getting like an actual pigging job as well, do you know what I mean? 3:28 Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's why back in the day I was a big fan of sort of Justin Ryan because he gave these not well known animators like sort of a big platform. You know, like like you said, he discovered Michael Cusack. You know, I know Joe Heavy was like really big on YouTube anyway, but he gave him a section on whatever his spooky Palloni show was some really good animated sections in that as well. 3:54 Just like everybody else who you look up to as an idol don't because they probably announce or they all they like the idea of being a nonce and they tease it too much. They're like flirting with the idea of chatting to someone they're not allowed to chat to. 4:11 Speaker 2 The too fond of the idea of nonsense, that's what that's what it's. 4:16 Speaker 1 Heavily fond of nonsense. And then they text the wrong girl, the wrong underage girl who's thinking too much and she's like, hey, oh, this don't feel right. I'm going to, I'm going to share this widely on social media. Are we going to know Joe Gardo didn't bite a bomb? 4:36 Look at the bruises.

Revisiting Classic Cartoon Network Shows and Their Creators

4:38 Revisiting Classic Cartoon Network Shows and Their Creators Anyway, welcome to the episode of Attractively Cute. I'm Jack. 4:54 Speaker 1 I'm not. I'm I'm Mike and I. 4:58 Speaker 2 It is as it always will be, as of old. 5:01 Speaker 1 I want to thank you for interrupting my wildly inappropriate retelling of what happened in the hotel room with Joe Got. I want an underage fan. 5:11 Speaker 2 It was probably for the best. 5:13 Speaker 1 And now they'll never know, because. 5:18 Speaker 2 Oh my God, yeah, I suppose you call them small creators because they're not getting funding from a network. 5:27 Speaker 1 No. 5:27 Speaker 2 Like Justin Mullen was has been bringing some of these people to like, you don't have a small following by any means. 5:34 Speaker 1 Yeah, Eminem, Dan Hartman used to like animate on this weird very early days Internet thing back in the day. You've seen the early Rick and Morty very crude anime. It was it was that shit. And a bunch of them just did that, you know, and some animators got in that was like sort of similar to when Cartoon Network did what a cartoon or a cartoon cartoon where it was like spotlight in new upcoming animators. 5:58 And they were all like in the early 20s and stuff like, and they did like a lot of like 5 minute pilots and shit. We had a lot of cruiser cowardly, a lot of it cruiser cowardly dog featured on a pilot. And I think you see a water cartoon or cartoon cartoon. I can't remember what it was called, but yeah, I had a compilation of water cartoon from back in the day and it was just some weird shit on the cool stuff as well. 6:19 So I was like, oh, this never got picked up. That never got picked up. They don't really get that a lot anymore these days. 6:26 Speaker 2 Billy and Mandy was on the cartoon. Cartoon show, Yeah. 6:28 Speaker 1 It was and they had like a Billy and Mandy and who who was the there used to be like So there was 2 shows. There was 2 shows with Billy and Mandy. There was another show attached to it before Billy and Mandy became its own. 6:43 Speaker 2 Thing you have an evil it was called. 6:45 Speaker 1 Evil was the Billy and Mandy part of the thing, but I can't remember what Grim was about. 6:48 Speaker 2 Oh, Grim was the Billy and Mandy. 6:51 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 6:53 Speaker 2 It was evil concardy. It was that brain. 6:57 Speaker 1 A teddy bear body or something? 6:58 Speaker 2 Yeah, well, he had he had like bears body. It had like that. I mean, they weren't, they weren't Nazis, the couple of Nazis, but they were like saying. 7:09 Speaker 1 Nazi and Jason. 7:11 Speaker 2 How Doctor Evil has like a #2 and. 7:14 Speaker 1 Yeah. 7:15 Speaker 2 They were like caricatures with Bond villains, weren't they? So. 7:17 Speaker 1 Yeah, he had a big scar on his face and a monocle, maybe. 7:21 Speaker 2 General Scar I think he was called actually. 7:23 Speaker 1 That makes sense. 7:24 Speaker 2 And there was that. I can't remember her name, but there was a chick. Evil scientist. 7:29 Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure she was a babe. I'm pretty sure, like I'm pretty sure 13 year old, 12 year old Mike was all like babe. Oh. 7:36 Speaker 2 So all the old Jack was like, she is thick, this is great. But yeah, Evil Con Carne got axed off at one point and it just continued to be playing Monday, which was a character's form. 7:50 Speaker 1 What did the cross over? 7:51 Speaker 2 Appeared in episodes of Grim Adventures. 7:54 Speaker 1 Right. But it was a shame because I always preferred out of the two segments when it used to be grim and evil, I used to always prefer the evil part of it, like the whole super villain shit trying to take over the world. But yeah, he's the main character. 8:06 Speaker 2 General Scar became Billy's next door neighbor in like the third season or something. 8:11 Speaker 1 Sure, at least they didn't waste the character. I think they were both great by the same person. I know. Oh yeah yeah I've got 2 ideas for a show but I just don't know which one to pick. Do them both just Yeah, I. 8:20 Speaker 2 Guess so. 8:21 Speaker 1 I guess do them both and see what sticks. People like this one more, so yeah.

The Distinctive Animation Style of Genndy Tartakovsky

8:27 Speaking of the other creators, oh fuck, I only carried by his name. 8:32 Speaker 1 Are you thinking of the guy from Regular Show? 8:36 Speaker 2 I wasn't. No, I wasn't thinking about JG Quintal. 8:39 Speaker 1 That's the guy I. 8:40 Speaker 2 Was thinking about. 8:41 Speaker 1 Pendleton Ward, the guy who went on to create Adventure Time, you think of. 8:47 Speaker 2 Zach Cadle is all I think of. 8:49 Speaker 1 Oh, Zach, I'm still I'm still in my Cartoon Network phase. So I was thinking Uzi. Uzi going to say is I'm trying to remember the name of the Samurai Jack guy and the Dexter's Lab guy. He's got a very. 9:03 Speaker 2 Good Tatakovsky. 9:04 Speaker 1 Yeah, Gendikovsky. 9:06 Speaker 2 Yeah, that's the guy. Yeah, made some fucking great cartoons in this. 9:09 Speaker 1 He's got a film coming out on Netflix next month, completely 2D animated in his own style, obviously, because that's what he excels on. That's his preferred medium of choice. I've read the synopsis, I've seen an image of it. I don't know how I feel about it because I'm I think it's like it's an adult film. 9:26 Doesn't mean it's just like people just fucking going at it, clapping cheeks. You know what I mean? It's mature audience is what I mean. I feel like it's him like going back to more of his like Dexter's lab, silly cartoony days rather than his kick ass Samurai Jack and his primal. You know, it's called fixed and it's about a dog that gets neutered and it just wants to like read, I think, I think. 9:48 But it's got that very he's distinct animation style, you know what I mean? 9:53 Speaker 2 What do you mean? 9:54 Speaker 1 He did, he wants to, he did. AI think it's like a 3 minute test pilot. You'd call it a pilot but it was for a film. Sort of like a proof of concept for a 3D animated Popeye thing. You can watch it on YouTube, just look at. 10:09 Speaker 2 Oh, I think I'll see him. 10:10 Speaker 1 Again, this Popeye, the animation looks beautiful. Very sort of in that era of Popeye back in the day. Or you know, olive oils flaying their arms. It's all stretched and rubbery and everything like that. And then so we're like, Nah, give us 5H Transylvania films instead. 10:28 And that killed him. He didn't like doing them after the first one. I think he did the 2nd and 3rd, but he's locked in. He really wanted to do that Popeye film in the first Hotel Transylvania. You can sort of see some of his art style come through in it with like sort of the angularness of like the count. 10:45 But it feels too. DreamWorks he asked to be distinct to Gandhi. I'm like, that's a shame. Whereas I think if I showed you Samurai Jack Primal and Dexter's lab, you could pretty much like use common sense to think, are these all from the same guy? 11:04 You know, just from the art style alone? Oh shit. And he did the really cool animated Clone wars. Not the not the CGI Clone Wars, but before the CGI, the 2D animated Clone Wars, which was kick ass. The only time general grieves has ever been cool because in the films it was awesome and in Clone Wars it was a bit of a I'll get you next time sort of gadget villain with shitty hench men. 11:27 He was he was essentially the 80's, the 1990s version of Shredder in the Ninja Turtles cartoon. It was a main bad. It was a big bad villain, but he had shitty hench men under him where I was goofing about. But at the same time when fucking Papa team was caught him up on his shit. 11:44 He was also an idiot like shredder and crying. He he was dumb in that see Jack long ones. 11:50 Speaker 2 Yeah, well, Tarskosky's Glow Wars was the fucking bomb. 11:54 Speaker 1 Yeah, you watch them all on my. 11:56 Speaker 2 Super good. 11:57 Speaker 1 Disney plus, which I'm glad that's because they were like lost for years. You couldn't find them anywhere. The YouTube rips are like awful quality. But yeah, they they had them on DVD and then they just got discontinued. You couldn't find them anywhere. They never got re released and they've never been re released because I'd probably like a HD soft Blu-ray version of that. 12:14 But yeah, season 1 and season 2 will set your back about two hours because each episode is like 5 minutes. 12:20 Speaker 2 Yeah, it is. The full thing is the length of a feature film in it. Yeah. But yeah, when it when it first got aired, it was just 5 minutes worth of cartoon. Yeah. 12:31 Speaker 1 Yeah, like you, you don't even know when you're going to get the next episode. It was just like you'd be watching Cartoon Network randomly before or in the middle of the advert. So I got, oh shit, a Clone Wars episode. Cool, cool. Oh, look at fucking. 12:42 Speaker 2 Fucking brilliant though. Oh. 12:44 Speaker 1 Shit, you was Samuel Jacksons character. Mace window. Mace window. Oh look at cool Mace windows being looking punch that Droid to death. 12:52 Speaker 2 Look use the force to fly up like 1,000,000 feet up into the earth. Do that punch combo super.

Debating Star Wars Lore and Controversial Creator Views

12:59 Punch. Yeah, he's the reason I. 13:01 Speaker 2 Separated all the fucking nuts and bolts out of one of them so. 13:06 Speaker 1 Good it got retcon does not Canon, but like the whole because. 13:10 Speaker 2 The skirt is. 13:12 Speaker 1 So basically it was all set up to be the prelude to Episode 3, the film coming out. But George Lucas didn't want to give them any like sort of like character directions or how these new characters coming up in Episode 3, like General Grievous. He's like, he didn't want to know how General Grievous was going to be or who was going to act, who was going to be like he got the bones of it is going. 13:33 Like he's a guy who's always coughing and wheezing and he's a robot. He's got 4 lightsabers. This is how he looks. Put him in 2D and whatnot and gives him like the base outline of where the story needs to start and what we're setting up and where, where, where Episode 3 begins. But he wouldn't say what Episode 3 is about or anything. 13:50 So in the last scene, I think Grievous kidnaps Chancellor, kidnaps the Chancellor, puts him on that big ship, and like Mace Windu jumps like 50 feet in the air and as Grievous has got the guy on his guy, his Grievous has got Palpatine on his shoulder in the ship. 14:09 Mace Windu just crushes his lungs with the Force and that's why he's got that rasp in episode 3. But the Clone Wars TV series will tell you it's always fucking on it. The animated one, CGI one, Yeah, lame. How about the CGI? Clone Wars isn't bad, it's alright. 14:24 But some episodes are shit. Some episodes are good, the IT starts off very kid friendly I'd say as I listen to season 2 and season 3 it finds its foot in. But they'll do this thing where each arc will be 3 episodes long. So you start an episode and if you don't like the first episode or the characters that this is focused on because it does do a good job. 14:45 It's not just is Anika and Obi Wan every week. It's like some episodes focused on clone troopers, some episodes focused on this side of it. It gives you a good wide berth of the whole Galaxy. But some episodes will be like oh cool, R2D2 in this episode. 15:00 Then you stuck with him for three episodes. That's an hour and a half essentially boring storyline. Boring. R2D2. Find a bunch of other robots surviving somewhere cool, they find a clone. Finally somebody can speak. 15:16 No, just listen to beeps and bops for a fucking 20 minutes. No, I don't think I did rewatch the Gandhi's Clone Wars recently. 15:25 Speaker 2 I think I watched that again like maybe a year, 18 months ago. 15:30 Speaker 1 It's exhausting, I think because especially the first season when it's more like clone trooper based, I think it is. It's just like there'll be episodes of that dialogue, which is fine, but it'd be like some episodes of summer. I chat with that dialogue and it's the best shit ever. Also, Primal season 1. 15:46 No one says a goddamn word so good. But there was like, it's just action, constantly barraging. You can get exhausted. But season 2, it sort of slows down a bit. You have episode where Anakin sort of like goes through his trials, gets his hair long, gets a scar on his eye, meets up with some big rat people, kills him. 16:08 He's not a good guy, which is good. It shows how he's turning to evil way better than it did in the film, which is my wife's pregnant. I guess Obi wants to blame Anakin. You. This whole thing was your idea. 16:24 You turned her against me. You did that yourself Anakin. Liar not lying do. 16:36 Speaker 2 Me. What impression fell apart for that last bit? 16:39 Speaker 1 I thought purposely so I could not keep that going. From my point of view, the Jedi that are evil how you're killing and murdering people. Go on, explain yourself. Liar. All right, all be that the Jedi aren't like the most like nicest people in the fucking Galaxy. 17:04 They didn't kidnap children from a young age and force them to be like Jedi. 17:07 Speaker 2 The witches, that's all they are. 17:09 Speaker 1 Essentially, yeah. Everything's always a re town of the same story over and over and over again. Babies get kidnapped. You may come into superheroes tailors all this time. Star Wars did it. The author of the witch. 17:25 You did it. Whose name? I'm not going to butcher, but it starts with an A. Can't say it's not Andy something, but it's is it Andy? 17:32 Speaker 2 Do you know I can't remember? I can't remember what his name is. 17:36 Speaker 1 JK Rowan did it. JK Rowan pretty much just did Star Wars with ones I guess. But they just, I don't know. I was going to say they made this school of it, but then again you have the Jedi school. 17:46 Speaker 2 Yeah, she's a hack. 17:48 Speaker 1 But she is a hack shit writer. Oh we're not angry at her just because of her Ryan. We also don't. Shit writer. Great beliefs. Fucking what a hack writer. But I do support her political views. 18:05 Speaker 2 I'm going to cut.

Navigating The Witcher: Books, Games, and Netflix Adaptations

18:06 Do not crop that out. Yeah, it's Andreas Sapakowski, Rite Aid, right? The the first part of it is essentially just and it or ANDRZEJ. 18:23 Speaker 2 Andreas. 18:24 Speaker 1 Andreas Kapowski. 18:26 Speaker 2 Yeah, I guess. 18:27 Speaker 1 He's someone who got a bit too. Not necessarily big for his britches, so to speak, but he tried to sue CD Project Red. 18:36 Speaker 2 Yeah, I know I owed you all the story for this CG project, Red said to him. Hey, we want to make a game on your book, he said. We'll do what you want. We want to give you money. Give me 1000 lbs. Then it's only. 18:48 Speaker 1 £20 here. 18:49 Speaker 2 You go. 18:51 Speaker 1 He had caveats. He went don't base it on my books, don't adapt the stories I've done and he literally told him that they had to like you're allowed to do new stories like continues the adventures. Don't remake my work, which big caveat? 19:06 Speaker 2 He saw very good the which was gay like much money. 19:09 Speaker 1 Which one? Which shit about. 19:11 Speaker 2 So he went I want more money, you cheated me out there. So they went he is more money and then he went okay. And then like a monthly when you get I want more money, more money now, okay, they gave you some money. 19:26 And that that's happened during and after every single witchy game that they've produced. 19:31 Speaker 1 Pretty much, yeah. 19:32 Speaker 2 But they've been like, we want to pay you money for this because the rights are yours, essentially. 19:36 Speaker 1 Our property and we're we're cool guys. We're a cool development team. 19:40 Speaker 2 He's goes, yeah, give me £10,000 then we go, yeah, don't know if that's that's what you want. 19:47 Speaker 1 Honestly, we would not have. 19:48 Speaker 2 More money. 19:50 Speaker 1 Honestly, the author of the WITCH should be an absolute fucking prick about it if CD Project Reg was any other company. I say if they were, they're in. They're an independent company, you know what I mean? If they were owned by EA or fucking Bethesda or something, they would absolutely tell the author to fucking do one. 20:11 Fuck off. You already paid your little dues you gave us. You sold it to us for a bean, is what they do. CD Project Red did not have to keep giving this guy money. And they were actively like, go, we would not have this success if it wasn't for your books. So thank you for that. 20:28 Forever in your debt, eternally repaired. And then he's still being all fussy about it. He's still fussy about it to this day. He's apparently he's releasing a new Witcher book as well, either this year or next. So mommy, I don't know if he's doing that because he's long. 20:43 They're not doing that. They've done that Cyberpunk maybe wish, maybe they're not going to do a witch. Oh, the Netflix series didn't go down that well. 20:53 Speaker 2 Maybe sledding? 20:54 Speaker 1 Let's write another book. Oh. 20:56 Speaker 2 Shit, I can't bully them anymore. 20:59 Speaker 1 Then he saw that teaser trailer for Witcher Foreigners. Oh, thank God. 21:03 Speaker 2 Fucking car. 21:04 Speaker 1 I can eat. I can eat this year. 21:07 Speaker 2 Script in the fuck? 21:10 Speaker 1 It's not been eating this anymore. 21:16 Speaker 2 Everything's going up. Suppose again. 21:22 Speaker 1 Resting on his laurels not doing fuck like ace or ace Something that annoyed me I I only like got into the. 21:30 Speaker 2 I've. 21:31 Speaker 1 Only read the first three Witcher books, I think, but I only got into them like after I did the game and after I watched the first season of the Netflix show. I fully knew that the Netflix show was not based on the game, right? They actively came out and said, this is based on the books. This is we're telling the story like the early, some of the early stories in the books, like the first two books of, you know, the first two books are anthology stories anyway. 21:55 There's like little snippets of Garrett's life here and there. I wish the first fucking series told me that because it was hard to keep track of time and what's going on with in relevance to the world, you know? 22:11 But a lot of people didn't like it. It's like. 22:13 Speaker 2 All of the gavel stuff and all of the NFS stuff happens 100 years before the series stuff, Yeah, even though it's caught in a way that you would think that, oh, all this is happening right now. 22:25 Speaker 1 Yeah, why is yes gonna age? Don't submit that. Did they mention in the I can't remember in the Netflix show, did they mention I mentioned it in season 2? Because it might have been known that it was. I think season 2 was a lot more linear. But didn't they mention why Roach is always called Roach? 22:41 He's always called Roach. He's just one name as a response. But it is many different horses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's something I guess mentioned in the book. I don't know if it mentions it in the TV series I. 22:51 Speaker 2 Can't. I can't remember it being mentioned. 22:54 Speaker 1 They probably it wasn't. So I think some people also had that question. Why is that horse not Agent? Oh no, it dies a lot. It's not the same horse. Girls had like 50 horses all called fucking Roach because he's unoriginal. 23:10 But yeah, no, what annoyed me about when people get angry about the TV show 1. I think they initially got annoyed at the TV show because it wasn't like the games ish and two they're like saying and then they went Oh no, but it's not like the books either or oh, it's fucking all over the law of the books and all that shit. 23:27 I might, when did everyone? I never heard of a Witcher fan from the video games of reading the book. Oh it's based on books but I've never read them. I've heard so many people say that, but as soon as the Netflix shows drops and everyone gets angry about it, all of a sudden everyone's an expert on the books. 23:43 Speaker 2 Yes, because people only love shitting on things. 23:47 Speaker 1 That's when I took up on myself to actually like have a go at some of the books and made my own mind up about it because I'm like, is it as bad as it's not? It's fine. 23:55 Speaker 2 I would say that even if book is different to video game, which is also different to ATV show, Yeah, say, if none of them are telling the same stories, that's fine. 24:06 Speaker 1 Absolutely do. 24:07 Speaker 2 You know what I mean? It doesn't. It doesn't fucking matter. They are quite obviously those characters. You know what I mean? They're not behaving like those characters. Yeah. So what's the fucking problem? 24:19 Speaker 1 So when everyone got angry at them don't make right like Democrat the anime Democrat the game don't make right the manga Dante is acting like Dante. 24:29 Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a fucking. 24:30 Speaker 1 Goofy fucking Bugs Bunny guy with a sword and guns, you know, he's way angry at. Shit's all over the wall. One kind of doesn't. And two, it's telling a very similar story and it's different. It's a different world, but retailing or whatever, people don't like that. 24:47 But yeah, depending on if the property's fine, like, say, if it's an MCU thing and it's like, well, that wasn't how they did it in the comics, but it works for the film and I'm on board with it. People pick and choose what they. Yeah, I don't fucking know. It pisses me off anyway, Yeah. 25:02 Speaker 2 Yeah, like I've because I like shitting on things as much as anyone. 25:05 Speaker 1 Else only if it's deserved, but if it's genuinely deserved. 25:10 Speaker 2 But for me, Change all the story changes many storylines as you want. 25:15 Speaker 1 Call it something different. 25:17 Speaker 2 Doesn't matter. The story itself doesn't matter. What matters is the character. Yeah, right. As long as you have the essence of the character in it, it doesn't matter what situation they're in, because that's going to be like, that is Spider Man or that is, yeah, Batman say, or whoever. 25:36 As long as you have the essence and.

The Moral Dilemma: When Superheroes Break Their No-Kill Rule

25:38 That's why I didn't like Zack Snyder's version of fucking Batman, because he murdered everybody. I don't like people. You're pisses me off about that, right? I don't book right to me, that's not what Batman is. He's big old drunk grouch, and I'm fine with Batman or a version of Batman being that you know what I mean. 26:00 Just give me a line that tells me that just have Alfred said something like you've not been the same since Robin died. You've been you know, whatever you've you pushed it too far. You've stepped over. They never had that line in there. He's just murdering people. Then Zach sang just come out saying it's silly to pretend that he doesn't do it. 26:15 I'm like this core character thing, like, I'm fine with superheroes killing people, but it's only really Batman that has that rule. Yeah, right. Yes. Spiderman doesn't necessarily have the rule, but yeah, it's happened. 26:29 Speaker 2 We've had this conversation before. 26:31 Speaker 1 On this cast, No. All right, I was gonna say I. 26:34 Speaker 2 Think we were Dosters doing I can't remember how it came up. But anyway, yeah, like I said to you at that point, all heroes have that rule. It's just a a lot of them are a bit more loose about it. Yeah, we don't have a very black and white. 26:50 This is exactly I'd never kill. Ever. 26:52 Speaker 1 This is the one thing that defines me. 26:55 Speaker 2 Yeah, whether it's like say again, like Spider Man, he's he's going killing people because he can. Do you know what I mean? 27:04 Speaker 1 And he, he's been tempted to and he, he's been close and he would. And he killed his uncle's killer. Yeah. I guess that's why he learnt his lesson. But I think he's killed in the comics anyway. He's killed since then. No, I'm saying he's killed multiple times. But like, when it's extreme, you know, I think there's a version of him that's kill Green Goblin. 27:20 And it's like, yeah, there's in that story, in that universe. It makes sense. And it built builds up to that, Yeah, but if. 27:27 Speaker 2 You say like, say, with Captain America as a heaver, he doesn't govern murdering people. 27:33 Speaker 1 The guy guy was a World War 2 soldier. He has. He murdered people. 27:39 Speaker 2 Like say, I mean. 27:40 Speaker 1 He met Nazis and shit, but yeah, he's killed people. Even in the MCU, I think he's just killing people. You tell me that Chitari aren't fucking people. 27:50 Speaker 2 I was really trying to search them. 27:53 Speaker 1 With wives and kids back home. 27:55 Speaker 2 Who did he kill him? 27:58 Speaker 1 Well, no, no, he he would have killed in his wartime days anyway. You know, you see him like him and the Halloween commandos behind him. You see him like kicking and charging to camp shooting. He's not shooting to main people. He's killing Nazis or hydra Nazis, but you know, which are like Nazis plus I guess. 28:17 Speaker 2 Yeah. 28:18 Speaker 1 Yeah, I like kills in the first Iron Man film. Yeah, he goes to Iraq and he's like, no, dead. Yeah. Iraqi, Jason, maybe. I don't know if it was Iraq. 28:28 Speaker 2 It's implied. 28:30 Speaker 1 It was that sort of implied sort of thing, yeah. 28:32 Speaker 2 My point is Captain America in know his present day hero exploits doesn't go over and killing people. 28:41 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, he. 28:41 Speaker 2 Has, and he does, but it's if there's no other option to it, Yeah. And that's what it is for practically all heroes apart from people who were like anti heroes like Punisher. Sir, do you? 28:54 Speaker 1 Know Oh yeah, punish him loves killing. 28:57 Speaker 2 Loves that story, can't get it off. You want me killing you know every. 29:03 Speaker 1 Every time I think about Punisher, I love killing. I always go back to that. I don't know if you remember it. I think it's from Daredevil season 2. When he's he's, I was on trial and he's like, I did it because I liked it. I'll do it again. And he's got the same mouth as the fish from SpongeBob saying that's a lot of barnacles. 29:24 Do you know the, you know the mouth that I mean? 29:27 Speaker 2 This is a loan of barnacles. 29:29 Speaker 1 Yeah, but have you seen Frank Castle do it? Yeah, every time. It's fucking silly. But yeah, he did it because he likes it. But he's also got, you know, killers, the mob, whatever. Killed his wife, kids and child. His wife, kids and child. 29:46 He killed his fucking family, you know, So to him, he's, he's constantly, that's that's the mission, you know, seek vengeance for that, but keep going. That's why he can never allow himself to love again. Because soon as he loves again, it's like the war's over for him, you know? Yeah. He's not allowed to feel love. He's not allowed to feel those emotions or anything because it's like to to him, that's it. 30:05 That's the fight. You know, if he becomes like softer or anything, 1, he runs the risk of losing people again. Absolutely not, that's why he circles off. I don't know, I find him as interesting as a character. But yeah at the end of the day, yeah if Punisha was Batman, Gotham problem wouldn't be as bad. 30:24 But I don't fight with the Batman who kills if it's explained within the world and the war, I'm fine with the Superman who kills, you know, killed Zod in that film. In that first film. I didn't mind it. I thought, yeah, fine, yeah, it's kind of justified. 30:41 And people got all angry and up in arms about it. But yeah, he doesn't want to kill but. And he's not going to kill Lex Luthor, but I reckon he'll kill a Doomsday who's a guy. Yeah, because if he doesn't kill Doomsday, who is? 30:56 You know what I mean? If a Godzilla was attacking a Superman, I was like, yeah, I don't want Superman to kill a Godzilla. I love Godzilla, but it is in my hometown. I. 31:05 Speaker 2 Love Godzilla. I'm not in love with Godzilla. 31:10 Speaker 1 I like the idea of Godzilla, but Godzilla, Godzilla's running, running around in the cube, blowing up on my cube. Shit, It's really not Superman Gillen. 31:21 Speaker 2 Look at my cubes over. 31:23 Speaker 1 No, Hey my cubes. 31:26 Speaker 2 I'm Cuban here.

The Battle Between Fan Expectations and Creative Adaptation Choices

31:28 Whoa, you're standing on my cubes. 31:32 Speaker 2 Look at though, I think the main thing that people want these fuck heads that keep complaining about everything. Yeah, I think they want a word for word, shot for shot, panel by panel retelling of a story from the comic so that then when they get that, they can start crying about it not being an original story. 31:52 Speaker 1 Did anybody kick up a fuss when Watchmen came out and changed the ending? Yeah, I don't remember. I I'm one of the few people I preferred the ending of the film. 32:01 Speaker 2 Yeah. 32:01 Speaker 1 So I'm not a big. 32:03 Speaker 2 That works for film, don't it? Where was what happened in the comic book? Works for the comic. 32:08 Speaker 1 Yeah, I suppose you're right, but. 32:11 Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I back, back when Watchmen came out, I wasn't aware of the stink that was being kicked off by loads of people. 32:19 Speaker 1 Yeah, we were. 32:19 Speaker 2 Only after the fact where you were like you see. 32:23 Speaker 1 Comic phonically online now. 32:24 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, like I still see comments now being like, oh, the fucking the movie changed it and the comic was way better. It was a way better than the. 32:34 Speaker 1 It would make. 32:34 Speaker 2 The fucking dumb. 32:35 Speaker 1 No sense, but the fact is waiting the end of the film. Yeah, but in purpose of the film and you want to wrap it up, even though most of that film is just like the comic book jiggled about in front of camera, for the most part, the whole idea is like uniting everybody, uniting everybody against find a common enemy. 32:53 Really. Yeah. And in the book it was like aliens. Aliens are the common anime, but they know it's something about fucking Osman Day is made-up to unite a common anime. So in the film, it was easier to unite everyone against, I don't know, Doctor Manhattan. He is a viable threat. He's the only thing in this world that could destroy people. 33:11 Thought who? Who, Who would? I hate these arguments. So they're going on a Doctor Manhattan tension. Who would win in a fight, Doctor Manhattan or Superman? Doctor Manhattan, I guess. Well, yeah, You should never be an issue in any situation because that guy could do anything. 33:28 Yeah. Jelly, Salt. Bee, salt. Salt thou. 33:36 Speaker 2 Art Salt. So Dodge Manhattan, but like, see if Dodge Manhattan just sort of, well, not stood, though I assumed it'd be like floating and see if mine came over. 33:47 Speaker 1 Big old dripping hug and just. 33:49 Speaker 2 Ripped him in half. That wouldn't even matter either. 33:52 Speaker 1 Matter. 33:55 Speaker 2 No. 33:56 Speaker 1 Yeah, smart, but you're right. 34:00 Speaker 2 Yeah, there is nothing that Superman could do to him. 34:02 Speaker 1 The guy reformed himself from like Adams, you remember. 34:06 Speaker 2 Him down you. 34:06 Speaker 1 Remember there's a nervous system walking around college. Oh that's my first day. Also, not that he would bother fighting Superman because he would never have like a fist to fist fight combat thing, but he's already seen everything. 34:25 He sees time like how you would see, say, if you had a film reel stretched out or not film reel because it's tiny. But if you hadn't noticed what you call a storyboard, if you had a film storyboard across the wall, literally perceive that entire film in front of you. 34:42 My my thought process is also like Doctor Manhattan sees time. He just, he lives in the past present. He just lives in all time, just sees it. It's the last way. It's always like, oh, it's 935 and I'm doing this, so it's 1945 and I'm doing this. And yeah. So it's not like, oh, he knows Superman's every movie. 34:59 He just knows how it's gonna happen. So it's like, you are made of kryptonite. He always seems very bored. Yeah, because you just need to do anything, I guess. But yeah, he still finds pledges and things. 35:15 I don't know, it's cool character, but people thinking who's he gonna fight? Did he ever do that Doctor Manhattan versus Superman comic? I bet that was poorly if they did it. 35:26 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I have no idea. 35:30 Speaker 1 I never liked the concert. 35:31 Speaker 2 Fucking balling. 35:32 Speaker 1 I never liked the concept of when DC was teasing the whole thing about, oh, we're gonna bring the Watchmen universes. Just because DC on it doesn't mean it has to be in the DC Universe. It's like Marvel on some comics, like Marvel on like GI Joe Transformers for a bit. I think they still do Transformers comics. 35:48 It's like they don't have to be in the Marvel Universe, you know? Same with sort of Watchman, I guess. But just because they published it, you don't have to cross these things over. It's weird. And I know they did this thing for ages where they tease like Batman phone, like the Joker's Joker, the Comedian's smiley blood drip. 36:08 And I don't know, to Batman, that probably meant nothing. Why would he even pick that up and bring it to his lab? It's just a bloody pin on the street of some Gotha. I don't know. I've not read the DC Watchmen crossover, but I know it was meant to all accumulate to. 36:26 Speaker 2 They likely never will either. 36:28 Speaker 1 Because I I didn't want to know about it because it's probably going to make me angry. From what I've gathered about it, from what I've read, the DC universe exists because it's the universe that Doctor Manhattan invented because he was bored. I'll create a new universe. Because I think he was kind of wanted to create life or something. 36:45 Maybe that's why he was like fucking still Spectre, to try and create life. I don't know, the one minor orgy. Yeah. Saying are you saying are you were saying before about as long as that character is inherently that character? Yeah. It's something that I've been like Omen and Iron about with, like the new Fantastic Four because for ages I thought I don't like that Silver Surfers, not Norin Radd, you know what I mean? 37:10 Yeah, because I'm like Silver Surfers, one of my favorite characters in comics. And I know like Shalabal was briefly did a stint of Silver Surfer in like an alternate timeline and stuff. And for all intents and purposes, this film is not set in the main MCU universe. 37:26 It's set in an adjacent universe so maybe they maybe I will get Monaro run on the screen but watching that. Have you seen the trailer? 37:34 Speaker 2 No, but because I don't like watching trailers. I watch like the first one that comes out and then I won't seek out another one. 37:42 Speaker 1 Fair enough. I mean, I'd like to show you at some point, I'm sure. Yeah. Anyway, so in this trailer, you see, like Shalabao. Yeah, Shalabao, female Silver Surfer. I sure it's all right, to be fair, but the way she talking and the way she's like acting, I'm like, yeah, that's how I expect Silver Surfer to act and talk. 38:02 So the fact that I'm looking at a nice body as well. Why What? Because I'm looking at a purely silvery woman the whole time rather than a naked silvery man. I kind of more on board with it now, but no, like you said, the character is still very much there. 38:21 Yeah. Like, it is like Silver. Silver is one of my favorite characters in comics. And when I see that on screen, I'm like, yeah, that's the same. That's the same character. So I can't be mad at it. Yeah. So I was a little bit worried, like, oh, I did gender swapping it. And like, Even so, that shouldn't really be an issue anyway. But they're not necessarily gender swapping the character anyway because it is a different character, you know? 38:44 And I imagine Nora Raj's wife was pretty similar to him anyway, and that's probably why he married her on Zenwa. But no, no, the new trailer has really got me hyped. I I am hyped for that film anyway. But yeah. 38:56 Speaker 2 A source again. That's all the comment. 38:59 Speaker 1 On the Fantastic Four thing, I can't. 39:01 Speaker 2 Remember what it what it was on, but it was talking about the new Fantastic Four and about how female Silver Surfer and they were pissy about that. It was like a closing statement doing and she should be fucking bald. 39:17 He gives a fuck.

From Fantastic Four Jokes to 'Wind-Up Merchant' Origins

39:21 It's actually yeah, who gives a shit? 39:23 Speaker 1 He goes to show up. That person has never. He's not a comic book reader or anything. Because the shower box also comes from Earth X. The Earth X run. She's got her. She's got big flowy silver here. There you go. 39:39 Comic accurate, I guess. 39:41 Speaker 2 A lot of these people who only love to shit on things, they don't know the source material anyway. Nah. 39:48 Speaker 1 I I just hope her power level and like the way she uses Power Cosmic is not how they used it in the Rise of the Silver Surfer film. Like her powers are attached to the board or something like that. She gets weak if she's not near the board. So surfers are not on his board a lot in the comics and things. 40:06 It's always like board company, you know, whatever. Yeah. I don't want Doctor Doom stealing the board and then getting the Power Cosmic. Don't like any of that. To me, that changes things too much. I'm like, why? Why are you doing that? Dumb? 40:21 Also, in that film, Johnny Storm got the powers of a super scroll. Oh, let's not do the scroll story. Let's just make Johnny Storm a super scroll. Why? I'll be funny, wouldn't it? Let's have let's have Captain America turn into the thing. 40:37 How annoyed? How much did you enjoy or my here's the thing bits not gonna stop doing it By the way, Hello I. 40:47 Speaker 2 Saw them all in the drop down menu, Yeah. And obviously the drop menu doesn't, doesn't show you pictures they're being sent, No. So like I did a quick scan of all the things that they use. 40:57 Speaker 1 The what's? Obviously you did a scan of all the things. Yeah, yeah, that's what they were. 41:06 Speaker 2 I'm looking through it and I thought, well, OK, so the first two are definitely a joke, but then you started talking about Johnny Stone. I thought, oh, maybe he's got some actual to say. So I clicked on that one. Oh no, it's not. 41:22 It's just the same joke over. 41:26 Speaker 1 I have to, really. I've watched that trailer a few times to see if there was just a side by side image of the thing with a character from the Fantastic Four where it's just them too, just so I could say, well, the trailer's all right. 41:42 But here's the thing with Johnny Storm in that Fantastic Four trail. There he is. 41:48 Speaker 2 Oh my God, yeah, I think, I think that was more upsetting for Shaggy than the than the grim news that he got. 41:58 Speaker 1 The What news? 42:00 Speaker 2 You know us that. 42:02 Speaker 1 Was that an accidental reference or a real 1? 42:08 Speaker 2 Accidental. 42:08 Speaker 1 Act though, although I I missed the trick when I said look. Well here's a little thing and I take a picture of that cropped thing, but it didn't really come across as little. In the trailer is little, but when I cropped it, it just looked like normal size by out of focus. I was annoyed about that retroactively. 42:26 Now that I'm thinking about it, in that same trailer, there's a thing action figure toy. I should have got a picture of that and cropped it. Here's a little thing. Yeah. 42:37 Speaker 2 Well, no doubt you'll have plenty more chances to it you have. 42:41 Speaker 1 To go with me, but you fucking joined in with them. You just used a different medium. Jack went Here's my thing and sent a picture of his Dick to the chap. Here's my thing with that Fantastic Four trailer. 42:57 It was his Dick next to his phone showing the trailer. And I was like, well played, Sir. Well, well played. Here's my thing with a thing and it was a picture of Jack's Dick next to Ben Grimm. 43:16 Why do you do that? I wouldn't have enjoyed the unsolicited bit, but I would have enjoyed the bit because of all people who are always like. I have been called in the past by the older generation and the generation that we are, but they chronically live with their mum or grandparents. 43:35 Do you use similar terminology? I have been called many times. A wind up merchant. I prefer the term mischief goblin or mischief goblin. Why did we used to call ourselves in college when we used to like, faff about and do? Was it mischief goblins when we thought it'd be funny to run around like the apes from Wizard of Oz and just throw bits of paper in me? 43:59 No, I asked something. We did, but that's what. A mischief goblin I'm sure we used to call ourselves, or I used to call those mischief goblins. 44:07 Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know if those are. 44:10 Speaker 1 But yeah, the old version of the term of the what older people would cause would be on me anyway. A wind up merchant like I'm selling wind UPS? Fucking no. 44:21 Speaker 2 Well, like watches. 44:23 Speaker 1 I guess a little ticker toy robots or ballerina boxes. Oh, you want to be on a lot? Oh, you want to you want to buy a little Barrelina that when you open a place for release after after you wind it up. Why not Merchant? 44:38 He's over there. Hello, I've got all your wind up needs. I sell wind ups. 44:46 Speaker 2 See if it is in the sense that these people mean it as which is someone fucking about. 44:52 Speaker 1 Fucking about, yeah. Being annoying? Yeah. Being a mischief goblin. 44:57 Speaker 2 Being a merchant of that being so, he sells that. 45:00 Speaker 1 I just selling mischief. 45:01 Speaker 2 Who's buying that? Who's in the? 45:03 Speaker 1 Market for mischief? 45:04 Speaker 2 You're so fucking annoying. It's buying now, yeah. 45:08 Speaker 1 I don't know, but business is good 'cause I ain't going out, I'm not going under, I'm not running out of stock. 45:18 Speaker 2 I don't understand why why the referred to as merchants? 45:22 Speaker 1 You've heard the terms, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever been referred to 1 as such? This good? 45:29 Speaker 2 Twinsies. There was a better thing that they could have called you. Yeah. Mischief goblin. No. I mean, if if you go back to the old person's speech. Right. 45:40 Speaker 1 The 1800's? The 1900s. No, wait, no, they called 1700s. I went up right? When were people called merchants? When was that a commonly known phrase? I. 45:52 Speaker 2 Mean people are still called merchants. Yeah, don't. 45:54 Speaker 1 They yeah, but it's usually like old timely things like, Oh yeah, the the shoe merchant, if you want to go to a cobbler or something, I don't fucking know. They use it for like be like, oh, fancy. Oh, we sound old. But when everyone was called a merchant, like a like a sweet shot merchant or something.

Tracing the Origins of the 'Wind-Up Merchant' Term

46:11 But when when was that commonly used? Was it when the I mean? 46:14 Speaker 2 I don't, I don't know when. 46:15 Speaker 1 Cobblestones were on the floor because I imagine that's where Wind Up Merchant came from. But you are right and I thought. 46:22 Speaker 2 This was that commonly used when the cobblestones float like. Why? I don't know. 46:31 Speaker 1 Imagine back in those days. Imagine how many fucking twisted ankles there were. You know, watch on cobblestones. Yeah, yeah, awkward as fuck. Twisted ankle, left, right and centre. 46:43 Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't. I don't know when it started, when the term came about, but people were still calling. 46:49 Speaker 1 Merchants were like more commonly known like medieval times, like merchants and stuff. So I guess so do you reckon Wind up Merchant comes from medieval times or do you reckon it comes from something like more like the 60s or 70s? 47:01 Speaker 2 To wind someone up though, since. 47:03 Speaker 1 In medieval times you'd get axe. 47:05 Speaker 2 Sends a lot more modern than it. 47:08 Speaker 1 What about the court jester? Would he be called a wind up merchant for medieval times? Because I imagine the king pays for that service. You can't hear this, but I'm doing this. He. 47:20 Speaker 2 Did his best. Robert De Niro. 47:23 Speaker 1 Maybe is the maybe face. 47:26 Speaker 2 Maybe, yeah, but again. 47:28 Speaker 1 Logically, that's the only way I can think of someone buying an idiot. Check out the court jester got paid. 47:36 Speaker 2 I mean, he probably got somewhere to sleep at night and food, but I don't I don't think he got a wage. He. 47:42 Speaker 1 Must have got a wage. It was a job. 47:45 Speaker 2 Yeah, but he was paid in room and board were. 47:48 Speaker 1 You have to live in the castle? Maybe. Yeah. No, but I'm sure. Sorry. You're saying like all the maids and all the cooks never got paid? They just got to. Where did wages come? I don't know. 47:57 Speaker 2 I don't know, but I think I think. 47:59 Speaker 1 People at medieval times, they get paid. I'm angry about that. Like I think we should Justice for medieval people pay the workers of the King's court a fair wage. Let's start this rally. Go. Oh. 48:12 Speaker 2 My God, like so like I want you to picture what I'm picturing now, OK, And I. 48:19 Speaker 1 Want you to ponder what I'm pondering. All right, Brian. 48:24 Speaker 2 Let's start thinking. 48:26 Speaker 1 Well, we weren't brain. 48:29 Speaker 2 Oh my God, like the court jester he get his home after a long day of wind up merchanting yes, and he's like what a day and he takes off his jingly hard does. 48:43 Speaker 1 He got a wife in this. Yeah, OK. Right. 48:46 Speaker 2 Yeah, he has a wife and he has kids and that, and he gets the paper. He puts his feet up, turns the telly on, cut to his alarm going off in the morning. He's like oh shit, what time is it? And he runs at the house with his jingling. 49:03 He's like, I'm going to be late. That would never happen, would it? 49:07 Speaker 1 Mine. 49:07 Speaker 2 No, he wouldn't live in the castle. He'd be like a fucking. 49:11 Speaker 1 OK, even it even if he had a room in the castle, let's just imagine his wife. I have a wife. I could still happen. He could still run late when his alarm clock goes off. He could be running around those corridors with his jingly out on he's he's sort of like I'm on a doctor and he's always on call. 49:26 Speaker 2 Exactly like a doctor. 49:27 Speaker 1 Whenever the king needs a lot, you know is there. 49:31 Speaker 2 Yeah, so the king could send for it. Wouldn't he'd be like, send for my jester? I have a throne. A throne upon this Crone. That's insane. And then sort of running at the car Jester. 49:43 Speaker 1 Yeah, send him a text. Yeah. King Major. 49:49 Speaker 2 Someone give him one thing and then put it down and he'll know not to go. 49:54 Speaker 1 Also court jester, real job, real position or something made-up by TV? I've never heard of Henry the 85 and a court jester. 50:03 Speaker 2 How much you've had with these daily life. You know about it though. 50:06 Speaker 1 Got better wives Bit of wives he. 50:09 Speaker 2 Had better wives. 50:11 Speaker 1 He had a fur few wives and no sons or one son but the son was like. 50:17 Speaker 2 He was a. 50:17 Speaker 1 Little bit like anthrax. 50:19 Speaker 2 He was. 50:22 Speaker 1 My God. 50:24 Speaker 2 The death, To one point, he was. 50:28 Speaker 1 That one kid who could play a mean pinball. 50:33 Speaker 2 And that was his son. He was sickly and infirm and became king when he was like fucking 14 or something, then died at 15. 50:41 Speaker 1 Yeah, but from Soho down to Brighton, in any amusement hall, a deaf dumb and blanket. Oh, you played a mean pit ball? 50:49 Speaker 2 Deaf, dumb, blind king. 50:52 Speaker 1 Yeah, they never were actually that deaf, dumb and blanking. So yeah, without doing any research, core gestures. Real job are made-up. Real position are made-up. 51:01 Speaker 2 I think real position. 51:03 Speaker 1 Also without doing research, that's where Wind Up Merchant comes from. 51:07 Speaker 2 Well, the term wind up is a modern term. It didn't didn't speak like that, but then did they? 51:13 Speaker 1 I guess because you'd have to. 51:14 Speaker 2 Winding me all. 51:15 Speaker 1 One wound up and you go from wind up from something like being like tightly strong or something. Imagine back in the day like oh fucking tight strong merchant because that was oh you piss about. 51:30 Speaker 2 Seller. 51:30 Speaker 1 Yeah, because I think like Winder must have come from like when like mechanical things started getting to use because you have to wind something up to make it go. But you winding me up so much comes from like, you know, tick tock stuff. Not modern tick tock stuff, but you know, like you could wind up. Are you saying right back in the medieval times you couldn't wind up a liar or a loot? 51:50 Speaker 2 I thought you meant someone who doesn't tell the truth. 51:52 Speaker 1 No. Do you not wind? Do you not still do wind up the things? So maybe if you could wind up the strings, maybe winding up was a thing. 51:59 Speaker 2 You didn't say that you'd. Oh, this Lou doesn't say. Anyway, let me wind up the strings. True. Let me tune it. 52:06 Speaker 1 Do you wind up anything in medieval times? 52:08 Speaker 2 Me that's. 52:11 Speaker 1 Got you over. So yeah. 52:15 Speaker 2 OK. 52:16 Speaker 1 Now where else would wind up merchant come from? Also, if you were a wind up merchant, what would you sell? You are a purveyor of wind UPS. People coming to be annoyed, Yeah. 52:27 Speaker 2 Just nuisances. 52:30 Speaker 1 I've got something to say. Yeah, it's £10. It's called Smell My Cheese. I'm not going to show it here because then you'll just take it out of there for free. But the instructions are in a box. You don't need the box, but you know. 52:43 Speaker 2 Have you heard Milk Milk lemonade Special offer Five Sterling No. 52:49 Speaker 1 No, tell me about this. Don't let us smell the cheese. I'm not interested, but I'm curious. I'm going to be honest with you. Essentially just punch someone. Oh, well, yeah, that really wind me up. Yeah, but there's there's got to be a joke to Anna. 53:06 You don't know the joke. You're paying for the joke part of it. Let me figure this. So hang on, I'll figure this out. I have a block of cheese. Way off, mate, Way off. I don't get it. Then. 20 quid, £20 and you know. 53:20 Speaker 2 Tenner. He's at the tenner earlier. 53:21 Speaker 1 I'll pay the price. I'm open the price because you're curiosity. 53:26 Speaker 2 Then I've got 15. 53:28 Speaker 1 I'll do, I'll do, I'll do a smell my cheese for 15. 53:30 Speaker 2 OK. Is it? 53:32 Speaker 1 There we go. 53:33 Speaker 2 15 dabs. 53:34 Speaker 1 All right, all that 1 LB flat, all that your fist in one hand, ask someone to smell your cheese and with the pretense of like your fist is the cheese, and then when they lean in to smell it, bop them. 53:46 Speaker 2 So what's what's this under though The. 53:48 Speaker 1 Platter. 53:49 Speaker 2 What do not got long hair? 53:52 Speaker 1 Fuck off the fucking silver platter. It's all right. Who's buying? Wind up seeing me and you. 54:07 I'm glad that was for free. I want to pay for that. I'm well annoyed. You're in the wrong business, mate. Open up your own shop because you're fucking good at it. You're wind up motion. Get out of my shop. 54:25 Fucking wind up merchant coming into this Wind up merchant trying to wind up this merchant. Very impressed with that little last line of dialogue. Hang on man, you said the word wind up merchant like 4 times. 54:40 Yeah, but it made sense. 54:42 Speaker 2 Speaking of old, old timely stuff.

Unpacking the 'Three Days' of Jesus's Easter Resurrection

54:48 Castles. Speaking of old timely stuff, Jesus Christ it is Easter Sunday before you tell me about all times because there's not annoying me work today, there's a genuinely discussion, a genuine discussion in work today amongst the the people. 55:07 They said, wait, what did Jesus Christ horizon. I went Sunday. He rose on Easter Sunday. He died on Friday, He rose on Sunday. Yeah, but he died for three days. I'm like, yeah, I know. He died on Friday, Saturday and he rose on Sunday. That's three days. 55:22 Technically, depending what time he died on Friday and what time he rose on Sunday might be 1 laughter, but they are counting Friday as the day. And everyone's like, no, no, no, you're wrong. You're wrong. Monday back Holiday Monday. 55:39 It's the famous day that Jesus rose on because he died on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. I'm like, no, Google it, don't mansplain is what I got. All right, cool, I'll Google. 55:54 No, you're not allowed to Google and tell us where wrong. 55:57 Speaker 2 You're not allowed to learn. Yeah, no, no one is a following. 56:01 Speaker 1 Word. I'm not learning. I know you're allowed to look it up. Someone did eventually look it up and then they just off show up about it. Like they didn't even I didn't get to be satisfied. Oh yeah, I guess you're right. Why was that big heat discussion? 56:16 Whoever thought like when you think about that, it depends when he died on Friday, but I think he died on Friday morning. He rose on Sunday evening kind of three days and then they're all like, no, I think he died in the afternoon. Were you the And even if he died in the afternoon, you still count the day he died on do you? 56:34 I would. 56:34 Speaker 2 Think so because he is dead on that day. 56:37 Speaker 1 I want to say like what's what is 3 * 24? 56:42 Speaker 2 3 * 24. 56:43 Speaker 1 Yeah, it was in like 324 hours, 3 days, three full days. What, 7272? Yeah, I want to say he died for full 72 hours. I would estimate it to her own about like. 56:53 Speaker 2 68 maybe, but. 56:54 Speaker 1 50 on at best. You weren't dead for that long. I'm pretty sure people have been in comas longer. 57:02 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yes, sometimes Jesus just had a long weekend for our sins. That's all it was, isn't it? 57:08 Speaker 1 Yeah, he just. Yeah, he had a weekend for our sins. Yeah, the. 57:13 Speaker 2 Sins. And then he got back up. So what does that mean? 57:16 Speaker 1 Nothing. 57:17 Speaker 2 What? What are we? 57:23 Speaker 1 Oh, he's so good. He died for our sins. All right. Yeah, it came back. 57:28 Speaker 2 That sins come back as well. 57:30 Speaker 1 Can we sin again? Cool. Are we doing another sermon tomorrow? That cooler? Would he be lit with that, going back to all timely things?

The Accidental Blinding and Invention of Louis Braille

57:41 When I was in primary school, learn about this guy I can't remember the name of, but he was the dude who invented Braille. But that blind guy? 57:50 Speaker 1 Oh, Timothy Braille. 57:52 Speaker 2 David Braille, I think. 57:55 Speaker 1 Oh shit, it's him. It's John Braille. 57:58 Speaker 2 Anyway, John Braille or whatever his name was, Yeah. Wasn't born blind, right? This, this is something I think about every so often about this guy, right? He wasn't born blind. His dad was. I don't know. It was like a Carpenter or like a cobbler or something. 58:14 And they had like, a lot of sharp tools, and John Braille accidentally blinded himself with them. 58:19 Speaker 1 Really looking close to a screwdriver. 58:21 Speaker 2 My, my problem with that is, well, he was like 7 or 8 or something at the time, right? So he had this sharp, fucking chiseled type thing. Yeah. And he accidentally stabbed his eye. And then he went, oh shit. And they decided to stab the other one. 58:38 What did you do now? What? What, what, what what what happened that he decided shit, that really hurts and I'm blind in the eye, right? See. Did I do this? Is this what did it? 58:51 Speaker 1 Have you? 58:51 Speaker 2 Heard. Yes, that's what I did it and then he was blind. What? 58:56 Speaker 1 Happened. 58:57 Speaker 2 What happened? Like he blinded himself completely like holding one chisel? How did he do that? Why are you talking about? How are? 59:08 Speaker 1 You. Why are you? 59:09 Speaker 2 So to me this is so stupid. 59:12 Speaker 1 Not so let me perfect science. Do you know, like you ever do science, right? You don't science. You remember science in school and whatnot? Yeah. No, they always say like, if you want like, accurate results, you have to repeat your experiment, your repetition, you know, repeat your experiment, get like a, you know, get your results. 59:31 So if you do it once, it could be a fluke. You guys test that again to see if the same thing happens again. You always do. You just do one experiment and that's it. He blamed himself. And one. 59:43 Speaker 2 Would say that he couldn't no appear with you. He didn't have to. He doesn't have to do all the experiments. 59:49 Speaker 1 Did that, Did I just blind myself fucking shit with my eye? Another one tester. Alright, now I'm buying in both eyes. I can surmise that me yanning A chisel into my eye does make a person blind. 1:00:07 I have concluded my experiment. 1:00:11 Speaker 2 My Kingdom for a third eye to blind. 1:00:15 Speaker 1 I need to find more people I can test this on. And that's the story of John Braille, the Gaucher of Ice. Some people say he was trying to take eyes for his own eyes so he could see again. 1:00:30 Truth. In fact, he was just trying to see if they would also be blind if he jammed A chisel down the line. 1:00:37 Speaker 2 Genuinely though, to me, what a stupid idiot, Yeah. 1:00:41 Speaker 1 What a fucking idiot. 1:00:42 Speaker 2 How the fuck did he do that? 1:00:43 Speaker 1 He was. He was an idiot since he blinded himself in his second eye. He went Oh well, bumps and dots for names. 1:00:59 Do you know how you like came up with it? Like, because the way I, I don't know if you ever like felt Braille, it does not feel like the letters they're supposed to feel like. 1:01:10 Speaker 2 Right, but it isn't supposed to feel like a letter. It's supposed to be code. It's not I. 1:01:18 Speaker 1 Think it colorates the letters exactly? I don't think so. Got Braille off of that. 1:01:23 Speaker 2 Well, yeah, they have, yeah, but. 1:01:27 Speaker 1 But it is just a direct cipher and A is this, AB is this. 1:01:31 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. But that's that's not what I'm saying to you. What what I'm saying to you is a the bumps for A don't look like the letter A. 1:01:40 Speaker 1 Yeah, I know they don't, but I feel you said no. I know they they don't look like their RA but I'm thinking if I became blind I feel like if I was learning Braille I could feel what our RA feels like more than dot shaped like an upside down L array is like a dot, A dot and then dot. 1:02:00 That way I don't feel like an E. To me it was like a corner. 1:02:03 Speaker 2 I know, but if you learn in. 1:02:05 Speaker 1 Fact. All these ladders feel like corners holy shit. Trapped in the queue, but. 1:02:12 Speaker 2 These are just bumps. This doesn't say anything. Oh, actually. I would think though, that having lost one sense, all all the other senses get heightened anyway. 1:02:25 Speaker 1 That's how we get daredevils, yeah. 1:02:27 Speaker 2 That's how you get daredevils, isn't it? 1:02:29 Speaker 1 Hey. 1:02:30 Speaker 2 I would think as well that. 1:02:31 Speaker 1 John Braille read that back to me and I say we got Morse code. John Braille invented Morse code. We turned bumps into dudes and dashes and that's why you subscribe to this podcast for educational value. 1:02:54 Go forth and spread this absolute fact knowledge.

The Art of Animation and the Path to Viral Recognition

1:02:59 So yeah, what? 1:03:00 Speaker 2 Are we talking about? 1:03:02 Speaker 1 You mentioned Animator, so you said Zach. 1:03:04 Speaker 2 Yeah, that Cadle. 1:03:07 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, Maisley Guy. 1:03:09 Speaker 2 Yeah, really good that he's got himself a show with Michael Cusack. Yeah, really good voice telling, really funny guy as well. 1:03:17 Speaker 1 He's a funny guy, Yeah. Came. 1:03:19 Speaker 2 From the humble beginnings of New greens.com did his owner animation and little shorts and stuff, there joined other New Greens animators. Yeah, to create an empire, I guess. 1:03:32 Speaker 1 An empire. 1:03:33 Speaker 2 I mean, maybe empire was the light word for it, but yeah, they did a lot of stuff with Chris O'Neill. Chris O'Neill's. 1:03:40 Speaker 1 Oh shit. 1:03:40 Speaker 2 Doing a lot of stuff. The storyboards for the Tenacious D's video games. 1:03:45 Speaker 1 Oh, right. Oh, that's pretty cool, yeah. 1:03:47 Speaker 2 You can see his style in the animation. He didn't do the animation for it, but his style is embedded in it because he drew up all the storyboards. 1:03:54 Speaker 1 Speaking of storyboards, I don't know if you know this, but like going back to game, the Takakovsky he did the storyboard for, you know that scene in Iron Man 2 when I'm on a war machine dropped down that like Fate Hill area? 1:04:14 I've been just like ripping apart all those fucking hammer drones and he Gandhi did the storyboard for that sequence. That's why it's so cool. That's why when you see like War Machine just like ripping into like robots with these like Gatling bums or whatnot. 1:04:30 So I see a little like, black ink and shit going everywhere because it's very Samurai Jack Star, I guess. And there's a reason why that's the coolest thing in that fucking film, which isn't that great, but that's a cool sequence. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just thought you remind me of Storybusters. Like I hope you got credited for that. 1:04:47 Speaker 2 I was thinking, yeah. 1:04:48 Speaker 1 I also like this, like these up and coming animators all like new animators, like they've been animating on YouTube for like years and they might get a couple of 1000 views and sometimes they don't blow up. Sometimes they do blow up. But it's nice that there's people who do make it who come from a small background, find them and then like sort of, hey, we'll call up with you, join into this and then you can get a bigger audience and find it because I'm all for like silly animation coatings. 1:05:13 It makes me wish I could draw back on. 1:05:17 Speaker 2 I wish I had the patience to make anything animated or even the knowledge for it to be honest with you. 1:05:21 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's it is. It is not necessarily a dying art form. Like people who love it do it. You know what I mean? Yeah, obviously there's people out there just like do it on like a computer program and stuff and do it that way if you if you want to do it. But I don't even have the word for from heart. I'd rather just draw frame by frame, but no frame would be the same as any other frame, Even rotoscoping. 1:05:45 Rotoscoping's hard as fork, which about essentially just take frame by frame pictures, dozens of pictures, and then carefully trace over it each time. The results are pretty stunning I think. 1:05:57 Speaker 2 Yeah, fucking great love rotoscope still. 1:06:00 Speaker 1 Love it in sort of Smiling Friends when there would just be one random rotoscope character in a random episode for no reason. That whole show is a mismatch of like different animations. Like you'll have a start motion monster in the background or something or everyone looks weird and anything. 1:06:16 Yeah, cool special language. We've not seen any new. I think they're all out now as well. You all know Crystal Fantasy. 1:06:24 Speaker 2 Oh. 1:06:25 Speaker 1 Michael Cusack Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what the latest season's called. I. 1:06:30 Speaker 2 Can't remember what it's called either. Because it's not Crystal Fantasy, is it? 1:06:33 Speaker 1 Well, I don't think Crystal Fantasy was the original season either. 1:06:36 Speaker 2 No, it was. 1:06:37 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, just say something, something and something, something. 1:06:42 Speaker 2 Yeah, that's that's definitely a title. 1:06:46 Speaker 1 Yeah, I wouldn't even say that. Right, right. Say of animators like that, like Zach, Michael, whatever, Like, yeah, we are guys and we're fans of them. I don't think they're that mainstream and they're still very niche unless one of them does like a film or something. 1:07:04 I think we're in this day and age to like get mega, mega popular. You even have to like continue doing what you're doing for 100 years. Hope that one little thing that you've done blows up, goes viral online, and then that thing gets repeatedly shared over and over again. 1:07:20 By the amount of times I've seen people quote work in the food industry, quote the 55 burgers, 55 fries, 55 whatever things, I not know where that's from annoys me. As soon as I heard someone like cloak that at work, I was all like, oh, so you're a fan of Tim Robinson's? 1:07:37 I think you should leave as well. What? Never heard of it. Sounds shit. Yeah, but you, you think that's funny? Yeah, that's hilarious. So maybe you should just check out this. I'm not gonna check out this show. Why? It's funny. No, I don't like your humor. 1:07:53 I don't think shit that you watch is funny. Well, that thing that you're quoting is from I don't care. Stop mansplaining at me, OK? I guess continue to not watch good shit.

Wrapping Up: Cube Time, Celebrity Drinks, and Animator Shout-Outs

1:08:08 By the way, if you're just tuning in, it's. 1:08:12 Speaker 2 If you've decided to skip most of the episode I. 1:08:16 Speaker 1 Should tell you this is I guess Easter Sunday episode day of recording cube time. It's it's Cuba Sunday and we call Easter Sunday in the cube Cuba Gooding Junior Sunday. 1:08:32 Why have we never made a Cuba Gooding Junior joke before? 1:08:36 Speaker 2 I'm sure we have. I'm certainly. 1:08:39 Speaker 1 Oh, that we have. I've never mentioned him. There's no other Hollywood celebrity with the name Cube in the title. Fuck Ice Cube. You've made an Ice Cube Joe before. Yeah. Are they? Are they the two? The famous people? 1:08:54 Speaker 2 The other two. 1:08:55 Speaker 1 Vanilla ice, ice cube. Is there an iced tea? Yeah, all these guys should be in a drink. Someone photoshopped that. Like just a Peach iced tea or whatever, but just have all the components of it, those individual faces. 1:09:17 So the ice cubes would be ice cube space. The vanilla I always just separate the vanilla rice and then the iced tea. Both of them. Well the vanilla would be the syrup. Ignore I said before about Peach. The vanilla would be the syrup. But how would you differentiate the syrup to the actual iced tea? 1:09:34 Because it all gets mixed. The ice cubes are easy. Ice Cube is Ice Cube's face. 1:09:39 Speaker 2 So iced tea is in the glass, right? 1:09:41 Speaker 1 It's vanilla iced tea. 1:09:42 Speaker 2 Well, no, because those are two different people. Yep, but it works through it. 1:09:46 Speaker 1 It is an iced tea with vanilla in it and two ice cubes in it. Proceed. 1:09:51 Speaker 2 You'll never learn anything if you keep stop mansplaining. 1:09:57 Speaker 1 Just because I'm a block and I'm explaining something. Stop block teaching me. Stop bleaching. No, that would make sense. 1:10:07 Speaker 2 Stop bleaching, right Iced tea is in the glass. 1:10:12 Speaker 1 Right. 1:10:13 Speaker 2 Ice Cube is also in the glass. 1:10:16 Speaker 1 Yes. 1:10:16 Speaker 2 Right now we just have to find where these. The only way that you can separate them both is if you have actual springs of vanilla. 1:10:27 Speaker 1 Suppose you could have a settler at the bottom. 1:10:29 Speaker 2 Yes, but anyone else gonna be dumping vanilla pods in the fucking drink? 1:10:34 Speaker 1 That's why I said it should be a syrup. He's. 1:10:38 Speaker 2 Gonna get his face in the syrup brizled around everywhere and. 1:10:43 Speaker 1 I just put him at the bottom of the glass looking sad just like a little like sort of like orangey layer right at the bottom of the glass. That'll be the the vanilla part then. The iced tea is obviously the most of the liquid. 1:10:58 There's no other way can get all of them in a glass and have the faces on it. It's impossible. Scientists are still trying to figure it out. They put the Large Hadron Collider experiment or hold to figure this out, and we're doing our best to help them. 1:11:14 We're trying, boys. We're trying. 1:11:17 Speaker 2 It's tiring. It's exhausting trying to work. It's like. 1:11:21 Speaker 1 Because when they turn back on hydrogen Collider, we might be able to get out of the cube. I'm fucking now. But they need to figure this out first and it's important are. 1:11:30 Speaker 2 We in here because someone turned the large hydrogen Collider well. 1:11:33 Speaker 1 Maybe, I don't know. 1:11:35 Speaker 2 Shit. 1:11:35 Speaker 1 We'll figure it out as we go. We'll drop spriggots of Laura along the way that will never be coherent or make sense. 1:11:44 Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a quick lap up. Let's just go through some of these names again. But anyone who cursing off to maybe a little look at them. 1:11:52 Speaker 1 Yeah, look at these guys. Yeah, phones almost like 3%, so I can't look at them up. I hope you've got more down. 1:11:59 Speaker 2 I've got some in my brain, so we've got Jenny Tartikovsky. 1:12:04 Speaker 1 Yes. Who's spelling that for people? 1:12:06 Speaker 2 No, because I don't think I'd be able to properly. 1:12:09 Speaker 1 Gende, that's all you need and then? 1:12:11 Speaker 2 GE double NDY. 1:12:14 Speaker 1 Just estimate gending and if you want to look him up, Samurai Jack Dux's lab Primals. Pop, did you do Power of Girls? Yeah. I always forget that one. I, I, I thought he might, but then again, I didn't want to commit, you know, so I don't know if it was like mainly he might have done the animation. 1:12:31 I don't know if he's mainly involved in like the I don't think it's his creative thing are. 1:12:36 Speaker 2 You sure? 1:12:37 Speaker 1 I generally don't know. I don't want to commit. I don't answer. I always thought Power Girls were created by someone else. But you might have been involved in the animation, because obviously you've got the doctor thingy in the Samurai Jack references and they look kind of similar. Professor Utonian? Yeah. 1:12:52 Speaker 2 Anyway, you've got Jenny Tatakovsky, you've got Michael Cusack, you've got Zach Hagel, Chris O'Neill. Also. Do we say also? 1:13:01 Speaker 1 There's the dudes of hazmat guy. 1:13:04 Speaker 2 Drew Langlois. 1:13:06 Speaker 1 And Joel? 1:13:09 Speaker 2 Joel Haver. 1:13:09 Speaker 1 Joel Haver. 1:13:10 Speaker 2 Yeah, great. Someone we didn't mention, but I will know anyway. 1:13:15 Speaker 1 Justin Ross, Brad. 1:13:16 Speaker 2 Neely. 1:13:17 Speaker 1 Brad Neely what? What would I know Brad Neely from? 1:13:21 Speaker 2 I don't know if you do know him or not. He's another Internet creator who got a little bit of luck and managed to get a couple shows on Adult Swim. He did China, Illinois and he did, I can't remember what the other one was called. It was like a, it was like a sort of a clip show type thing, like a Robot Chicken. 1:13:40 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:13:41 Speaker 2 Just animated sketches, kind of what the fucking thing was called. That's fine. But yeah, really good. I don't believe the Professor Brothers stuff that's on YouTube. 1:13:52 Speaker 1 Yeah, you didn't mention them before. You got your religious news from that? 1:13:57 Speaker 2 I did. I learned about Sodom. 1:14:02 Speaker 1 Lovely story. If if the people listen to this like cotton on, they know we would have already spoken about this before we started recording only because we did the Zawat salt reference. Oh no, I'm turning to appeal pill. 1:14:19 So and then that so we get on to that. So the smart listens out there. You, you know, you know what we talk about offer. You're so smart. You can hear us talking when you're not even listening to us. Well done are. 1:14:32 Speaker 2 You listening to us all the time. 1:14:34 Speaker 1 In your dreams, join us in your. 1:14:40 Speaker 2 Dreams like, yeah, right in your fucking dreams, actually. 1:14:48 Speaker 1 Yeah, get fucked. Actually, I've changed my mind. I don't like you anymore. Stop listening. No, you listen to this. Stop listening when we're not recording. It's weird behind our backs. Yeah. You got any more? 1:15:00 Speaker 2 No, I don't think so. I mean, if all they do, but none of them are coming to. 1:15:04 Speaker 1 I think that's what thingy from regular show and other things. What's that guy called? 1:15:11 Speaker 2 JG Quintle. 1:15:12 Speaker 1 JJG Quintle. He's pretty cool guy. Funny stuff. Regular show's pretty cool show. Pretty obvious. What was his other show called on F? We got close enough. 1:15:20 Speaker 2 Close enough, yeah. 1:15:21 Speaker 1 Really. The show, I mean, it's just I'd say it's just Rigby again, but going through adulthood. He's the same character, I think, but he's he really plays that. He leans into the fact that he is like a 30 something millennial guy. 1:15:37 Apparently regular shows coming back in animated form. Obviously in animated form. Why would it come back in for form? But no, apparently they are doing another season Regular Show. 1:15:47 Speaker 2 Yeah, you'd mentioned that to me actually. 1:15:49 Speaker 1 Yeah so that'd be pretty cool cuz I have read the graphic novel which just felt like 30 years after the fact. Still waiting for a full box out of the whole thing to be released but Nah fuck it. Not in this country. So Adventure Time as well. You can get a full box out of Adventure Time but only in like region whatever and I I've heard rumours that like my PlayStation can play things and like from region 1 region 2. 1:16:13 I just don't want to chance it. Is there any chance on something that costs like 50 to £60? 1:16:18 Speaker 2 Well, that's that's the thing in it, shelling out a lot of money for a gamble. 1:16:23 Speaker 1 Because I've heard a rumour that my PlayStation can play region one or two DVDs or whatever, or it's unlocked, I don't fucking know. Just release regular Show on Blu-ray and I'll buy it. It's that easy. 1:16:36 Speaker 2 I think it's about time for a wrap. 1:16:37 Speaker 1 Up. Oh yeah, easy easy. Time for a wrap up. 1:16:40 Speaker 2 Easy piece. 1:16:42 Speaker 1 And it feels like the albatross isn't even bothered about us wrapping up. We're wrapping up on our own accord. Stop. OK, I see that you wrap it up. No need for. No need for me. Sorry, sirs. Hey. You sound a lot like Mike. 1:16:58 She's. 1:16:59 Speaker 2 Killing him. He's shushing me. Oh, is he killing me? 1:17:03 Speaker 1 It's confusing because I'm not good at doing multiple voices. 1:17:08 Speaker 2 Anyway, I've been Jack operator. Give me the number for 911. 1:17:14 Speaker 1 I've been Mike I not only am I not learning, I'm forgetting stuff that I used to know. Jackie Rowland pretty much just did Star Wars with ones fucking what a hack writer. But I do support her political views.

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