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Episode twenty three:
Andy Byron and Tony Stark

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Contents

A Cold Open (0:01)
Taking notes and perfect pitch (11:50)
Chris Martin and Andy Byron (17:14)
Best show ever (21:38)
What Taika does in the shadows (28:49)
The pinnacle of impressions (35:56)
The sun shines on the future of the DCU (39:18)
The cataclysm in Stamford and the dress that no one wanted (46:44)
Designed for and by idiot edgelords (1:01:04)
If it aint broke... (1:14:49)
Shaggy's coming? More Comic movies! (1:17:22)
Steven versus Anthony (1:26:05)
Mikes best three impressions (1:36:20)

A Cold Open

0:01	Speaker 1 I wasn't the last to leave, actually.
0:03	Speaker 2 Oh well, you don't want that FOMO, you might miss something. Exactly and.
0:07	Speaker 1 My fear of that prevented me from doing so.
0:10	Speaker 2 That's why we're always like the last to leave any time we go out. I.
0:14	Speaker 1 Guess so, yeah, he's a fucking lunatic, actually. Like he's.
0:20	Speaker 2 When you say lunatic, do you mean like, oh, is the character Carlos? I'm not going to. I'm not going to name him. I'm not going to. I'm not. I'm not going to use his real name. I definitely know. Oh, it's a bit of a maverick.
0:36	He can't take him anywhere. But we love him. He's out in a fucking frozen food out with some peas on his head and fucking keys in his arms. Or does he like steal chickens from farms like a lunatic?
0:52	Speaker 1 Steal chickens from farms? Yeah.
0:57	Speaker 2 I guess in my head you're either you're either a lunatic is in not really crazy, but people say he's crazy. He's a bit of a character and he's just like a bit basic and simple or is a fucking werewolf. Dare the options?
1:10	Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I think I think this is true for both of my cousins in the.
1:15	Speaker 2 The bone werewolves.
1:17	Speaker 1 The only way to defeat them is with silver. They have a strong commital to the bit.
1:24	Speaker 2 Right.
1:25	Speaker 1 Sometimes they'll start doing something and I won't realize that they're doing a bit yet.
1:29	Speaker 2 You know.
1:30	Speaker 1 So they'll like be talking to me as a character, but I've not realized that they're doing a character yet. So I'll be answering it as me right at first. But this doesn't make any sense what they say. But I'm like politely just replying anyway.
1:45	I don't know. It started as a bit were me and one of my cousins.
1:50	Speaker 2 Carlos.
1:51	Speaker 1 Were no Estevez, Estevez, but me and Estevez were, I don't know, to sell insurance to Carlos or something? Oh God. Right. So yeah, Carlos, I mean, this is we're talking like 3:00 in the morning at this point and we've all been drinking for like 1314.
2:17	Speaker 2 Hours in our own separate homes and this was a three-way phone call. It would be hard to log on to zoom just for this bit.
2:26	Speaker 1 Oh my Lord, yeah, he, he starts like he grabs me first I and then he's like pushing and pulling me.
2:35	Speaker 2 He's jostling.
2:36	Speaker 1 Yeah. So that my momentum I guess is continuing, me going on 2 legs on the chair constantly, you know what I mean? And then he uses my momentum so then push me as hard as he could the chair and then wrestling.
2:53	I don't understand what's going on. I'm 34. He's he's 30, right? We're no warmer. Only in his back garden.
3:05	Speaker 2 For ridiculous.
3:07	Speaker 1 Yeah.
3:08	Speaker 2 It's fine if they're cousins.
3:10	Speaker 1 He did like half an hour remove most of his clothes so it.
3:14	Speaker 2 Seems like it was going that way.
3:16	Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to buy some new earphones because they were justified in the vessel that we were.
3:26	Speaker 2 Having Well, where's your thing? You should have been listening to music when you were in an important fucking car salesman or insurance or whatever it is you were selling.
3:35	Speaker 1 I wasn't it was just ruined my neck. I just I just had.
3:38	Speaker 2 Them over your cousins or your earphones?
3:39	Speaker 1 Both of them actually.
3:42	Speaker 2 See, that's like, it's like that just feels like you, but to a certain extreme, like you've got a a sheer commitment to a bit.
3:49	Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I feel like I have a filter system.
3:53	Speaker 2 Like I'll do a bit. I'd say my my commitment to a bit is a bit less than yours. If I'm sensing something might be slightly off or it's just not landing, I'll just stop it. But then again, sometimes I do double down and just be annoying. I don't know. It depends on what mood I'm in.
4:08	Yeah, it depends on what mood I'm in.
4:10	Speaker 1 Yeah, I do. I do agree with you with that, because you won't buy something because you think it's funny. But I will spend a lot of money on something that I think, oh, this will be funny or this will be like.
4:24	Speaker 2 That's not even a bit. That's just the bit is I'm my own little pay piggy, let me financially dominate myself. Isn't this funny? But yeah, imagine if I was doing this for a sexy dominatrix woman. I'm not.
4:39	There's all me in this head that's even a bit for anyone. That's just that's just you. That's a bit between you and your bank.
4:51	Speaker 1 Oh my God I was like 1314. I once spent like £60 on one of those pop cap rifles. Are they called?
5:01	Speaker 2 Oh yeah.
5:01	Speaker 1 Then like red, I don't know what you call them. They're just, they're not. They're not cartridges, I suppose.
5:07	Speaker 2 No, those those orange caps.
5:09	Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Which one stroke did like pop? Yeah.
5:12	Speaker 2 You used to put me in like 6, well, six years. But you know, like back when you used to be able to buy metal guns from a fucking pouch shop. Yeah. You put those little, you put those little circles things in. Yeah. They were just caps. So they were just housing for caps.
5:28	Yeah. Caps not being the lids of bottles. Yeah, they were just called Caps.
5:33	Speaker 1 They had like a little knight. Could you?
5:37	Speaker 2 Come by and loose and just throw them. Yeah. Can you sit by them?
5:40	Speaker 1 I don't know. You would have to find a very specific. You should be able to get a cheap shot. You should be.
5:45	Speaker 2 Able to get it from any corner shop. Boss man, I'd tell you a bag of caps.
5:51	Speaker 1 God.
5:53	Speaker 2 It's telling you a bag of caps got like a quid, you get rid of them.
5:57	Speaker 1 Oh my God.
5:58	Speaker 2 Just got mental on the playground picking up.
6:01	Speaker 1 Just fucking.
6:04	Speaker 2 And throwing.
6:07	Speaker 1 Yeah.
6:09	Speaker 2 Bombs, yeah.
6:09	Speaker 1 Yeah.
6:11	Speaker 2 Go we're up to the age of proper pranks. No it's just crimes breaking and entering into a persons house, fucking up the shit, sleeping with a wife and then being all like sorry it was a prank. As long as it's filmed for like a social thing like TikTok or something it's fine.
6:28	Apparently, yeah.
6:30	Speaker 1 But about this rifle. Nice metal, inlaid like a rocker. Yeah, thing.
6:38	Speaker 2 Did it have like repeater action? Yeah, he did loaded. Oh, it was.
6:41	Speaker 1 Really fucking cool. It's gone forever now I've.
6:45	Speaker 2 Probably spent 60% on that at that age.
6:46	Speaker 1 Yeah, you said load it. Yeah, you, yeah.
6:49	Speaker 2 Cruel as fuck.
6:50	Speaker 1 Cool as fuck. Yeah, I bought that and a Davey Pocket Skin skin.
7:01	Speaker 2 No, The thing is, like back in the day when you're younger, I would absolutely put a lot of money down on that. Oh my God. As I get older I won't do that anymore because I just.
7:10	Speaker 1 I still would though I can't, which is where the difference is, because I see that I think, oh, that's cruel and I think I would look funny in it so I could.
7:20	Speaker 2 It always reminds me of that sometimes. I, I used to have that mentality where I did used to buy absolutely bare stupid shit for like no reason. And one of my favorite jokes of Futurama was when Fry just gets a shit ton of money because he just gets money. It's like, why did you buy this skeleton of this Ted Danson fellow?
7:38	And he's just responses. I've got an idea for a sitcom which I bought a lot of stupid shit back in the day on the on the basis of I've got a funny idea. I mean, the the insane thing is we we wouldn't film anything. I'll put anything to camera or do anything with it.
7:53	Speaker 1 Yeah, it'd just be. It's just for.
7:57	Speaker 2 You and your friends who were around you at the time? No, but I, I almost dropped, this was only a few years back. I almost dropped like £120. I'm just like I, I probably could have got cheaper but it was in a charity shop and it wasn't that far from me and I was like I could carry that home.
8:13	I almost dropped £120 on a full store mannequin. You know, I got big naked mannequin, came in a set of three. My God, I would have said kind of just have two. And then seriously, as I was on my way to the cash point because I needed to draw money out, when I came back they were gone.
8:36	Fuming. I could have had two. This was only about, I'd say, four years ago. I could have had two fucking mannequins in my flat.
8:43	Speaker 1 Wait till you see what I bought.
8:53	Speaker 2 So as I think I've got older, don't do shit like that. That was the last time I ever thought about doing something silly with my money. Just two mannequins, just on the basis of funny in it. And you know what I think was funny as well what I would, I know that I know this because I know me.
9:10	I would like get really drunk sometimes. This is in this hypothetical situation where I have these mannequins. I know I'd come home absolutely pissed. I'd position them like at the foot of my bed or something, knowing full well forget when I wake up just to shit myself up in the morning just playing pranks on myself.
9:30	Speaker 1 I'd do something similar. Mine mine wouldn't be a prank on myself. It would be a it would be a pre planned bit just for me. So I'd have them like I'd have I'd have been waiting for me, angry that I've been out so late.
9:50	I come back and I'm like, don't give me that log. I told you I was going to be.
9:57	Speaker 2 Would you set them up in a different scenario every time you left for work just so when you come back in? I definitely. I definitely have to go with dressing them as well.
10:05	Speaker 1 You have to go a lot dressing.
10:06	Speaker 2 Them. Yeah, I imagine I wouldn't do it a lot because the effort, like to dress a mannequin, you've got to like, unhook its arms and shit. You can't just bend it because they don't move, like because they're all rigid and stiff. You've got to unscrew their arms. Awkward.
10:20	Speaker 1 And.
10:21	Speaker 2 I might just put a shirt on it once and if I was ever in a relationship and I had them or I'd be having loads of fun with them, I'd be having them in showers and everything. No, I I I tend to buy things because they're silly sometimes. I got that Jeff Goldblum shower curtain. Yeah.
10:36	Every time I said that to people, they they imagine it's Jeff Goldblum. Either someone person is in Jeff Goldblum hugging the T Rex. That wasn't Jeff Goldblum, you idiot. When I say Jeff Goldblum, shocker. And they imagine it's Jeff Goldblum, you know, like in his little lying down pose with his shirt slightly open.
10:54	And it's just like they imagine it's that, which makes sense, but it's not. It's just a normal picture of Jeff Goldblum. Just like sort of like sat on a chair, maybe hunched over or something. I don't know if he stood up or anything, but next to him as a monkey, just a big gorilla.
11:09	And I don't know why, and I don't know where it's from. I don't even think the two are related. Not like you and your cousins are related. I just think it's a completely separate image. I don't think they were in the room at the same time.
11:22	Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I mean, I wasn't. I wasn't assuming that that was Jeff Goldman's brother.
11:29	Speaker 2 Could have been his cousin. Maybe that's why he's got such an interest in dialect. He's got monkey jeans in him.
11:36	Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess, I guess so. But anyway.

Taking notes and perfect pitch

11:36	Welcome to another episode of Chopped on the Cube, I am Jack.
11:54	Speaker 2 I'm not his cousin, not his.
11:57	Speaker 1 Business in Carlos. All the best of.
12:00	Speaker 2 No. And my commitment to the bit is lacking. No, I'm, I'm just saying, oh, Mike, it's been a minute. It's been a minute for us. But I imagine by the time people listen to this, it's.
12:11	Speaker 1 Oh shit, Oh my God.
12:14	Speaker 2 Quit turning your pawn down my.
12:17	Speaker 1 Pawn is just women laughing at me.
12:20	Speaker 2 Yeah. Is there any other kind? It's just three Santander Bank managers laughing at you or NatWest or over.
12:30	Speaker 1 Laughing at me if it'd be my own pay pig.
12:32	Speaker 2 Go in your overdraft. Do it buy this grand piano I saw Speaking of pianos, I saw this bit on Ted Talk and I'm like, it's an interesting bit, but I don't like could you know, sometimes they, some of these people, they'll split the video into four parts and it'd be completely unwarranted because you can put like a 10 minute video on there if you wanted.
12:54	I get it. You want short of views for engagement, you might like farming for content or whatever, and then you have to click on parts 1:00 to 4:00 to watch the full 5 minute story. Didn't want it being in. Yeah, yeah. Alright. This guy painstakingly retuned.
13:11	I don't know if he did or he got someone to do it because I know it's very, very difficult to tune a piano. This guy painstakingly tuned his piano to the key of E So every single anything he played was just E and he was all like, Oh, I'm going to do an online piano lesson as a beginner and I see how they react to my piano being just E, you know, and he's playing it.
13:33	He's like, I am doing this, but it sounds like everyone says it sounds wrong. He's like, Oh, no, you're playing an either show me your cameras like he's doing it and he's like doing not an E. And so it's like an EI think your piano's broken. And she just like immediately figured out, but straight away and it wasn't funny. She was like, Oh, your piano's all tuned to E and he's like, Oh, I guess it is.
13:51	She was having a laugh with it. It seemed funny, but it didn't worry being 4 parts. But I thought that would have been a lot better if it was in person rather over than like an online piano lesson sort of thing. Having someone come all the way over to your house just to play a piano that's nothing but the E.
14:07	But yeah, she did ask him to, like, put all his, like, arm across all the keys. And that's like, hide it down. So it was just like 1.
14:16	Speaker 1 One big E.
14:19	Speaker 2 I'm tone deaf. I don't know if that's an E or not. I can't do any.
14:23	Speaker 1 I mean, you did see E when you that's fine. When you did it, that's.
14:27	Speaker 2 All, that's how it worked, right?
14:28	Speaker 1 I guess. I guess that is.
14:30	Speaker 2 No, I was more, I was more impressed How How? Oh my God, people are musical time kids. You just hear a note and go that's E Yeah, that that's true. Can you do that? No, Be better. Be better, be better.
14:44	Speaker 1 You just spend 5 minutes telling everyone that you can't do it.
14:49	Speaker 2 Yeah, but you, you are the musical. You can play music. I imagine you can hear you can tell the difference between.
14:56	Speaker 1 Them, that's the end of that.
14:57	Speaker 2 Sentence. I imagine you can hear you. Are you fucking Beethoven? I bet Beethoven can tell the difference between an E and.
15:03	Speaker 1 AG Do you know what?
15:04	Speaker 2 I can tell the difference when they're written down.
15:07	Speaker 1 Well done. Congratulations.
15:10	Speaker 2 In like a format, if you do those squiggly hoops and lines, fuck off. Can you do squiggly hoops and lines?
15:16	Speaker 1 Yeah, do mean I know what it says, but I can do it.
15:21	Speaker 2 Oh, we cannot draw them.
15:23	Speaker 1 I don't know, you know, I think I think I probably could tell you what note is what. Maybe I'll some of them are, some of them are probably.
15:33	Speaker 2 Got to use put a curse on that.
15:35	Speaker 1 Yeah, the curse of music, I guess.
15:39	Speaker 2 Oh no, no, to play.
15:41	Speaker 1 I couldn't be like, like he was AB and then just do B. Do you know what I mean? Oh, this is D.
15:48	Speaker 2 You don't hear a lot of bees. Every time I hear of chords it's like.
15:51	Speaker 1 G will listen to this.
15:53	Speaker 2 A minor E You never heard of AB? Is AB even a chord or does he just skip it?
15:58	Speaker 1 There's a chord.
15:58	Speaker 2 What's AB sound like? B. Not a wasp.
16:04	Speaker 1 That's AB. That's definitely AB.
16:06	Speaker 2 Sounds like a family. No, it's bumbling fucking idiots. I'm embarrassing.
16:13	Speaker 1 So it's like honey, you know?
16:16	Speaker 2 Are embarrassing for bees to be called bumblers or it's a any animal if you told a person you're a.
16:23	Speaker 1 Only one. Only one kind of bee, though. A.
16:25	Speaker 2 Bumblebee Yeah, bumbling a virus if you told if you clumsy If someone told me I was a bumbler, I was bumbling about him. I don't think I ever emotionally recovered from that insult.
16:42	That's a worse then. So you can set to any human. I don't even try to think of any of us.
16:51	Speaker 1 Just take it as as fun hey?
16:54	Speaker 2 You. Yeah, you're bumbling about. What do you do with that information? I am coordinated. I'm a bumping into things. What are you saying about me as a person and my character? Oh, I'd hate to be referred to as a bumbler.

Chris Martin and Andy Byron

17:11	So the coldest insult, Yeah, It's not like any bands that ever go out there and, like, publicly shame someone for cheating on the space. Rightfully so.
17:26	Should rightfully publicly shame people for cheating on the space. The last something that happened and that was very silly.
17:33	Speaker 1 Yeah, I often like our serial cheaters. Just naive told how the world is, and I say that because surely I mean, oh, it isn't advertised the there's going to be a camera.
17:49	Speaker 2 Yeah, well, I will say did you know what Chris Martin said like 5 minutes before they turned on the Jumbotron? He literally said we turn, I want to get to know the audience. I want the audience gets it on me. The way we're going to do that, I want to meet you guys. The way we're going to do that, we're going to turn on a big Jumbotron right now.
18:04	We're going to point it you randomly. So if you pre warning, we're turning on the Jumbotron in 54321 and then the first people, they had a warning, they had a massive warning.
18:21	They were either at the Coldplay concert not paying attention to Coldplay and they were just so like, I don't know, enamoured with each other. They just ignored the absolute message or they they did that thing with the thinking they're never going to find that camera to us.
18:36	Speaker 1 I guess.
18:38	Speaker 2 I don't know if it's like serial cheaters are just like naive and oblivious to the world. I just think it's like they get too comfortable sometimes I guess. But it's mad when he was like he was the CHC of this company and she was like the head of human resources.
18:54	So it's like you can't, you can't even report that shit. She's just the head of human resources. But the guy's like a multi millionaire anyway, so I'm sure he's going to be fine even if his wife does take half of everything, which she probably will do by rights, You know, she what a horrible way to find out.
19:10	I saw some people's like, I think these are like bad tastes like awful that the family found out this way, awful that this was done in public and everything like this. I'm like, well, it's bad that they found out, you know, it's bad that the truth did, you know, reveal itself. It's a lot better than just like being blind to it all.
19:26	I'm sure he'll be fine. I'm sure she'll be fine. CE OS always got other jobs.
19:29	Speaker 1 I mean, it doesn't mean that he isn't CEO though because he's been caught cheating.
19:34	Speaker 2 He's he's stepped down or he's been pushed out is.
19:37	Speaker 1 It is it one of those very pronounced winks I've I've stepped down.
19:41	Speaker 2 They call it a golden parachute. Sometimes they just give him a big pair.
19:44	Speaker 1 And he just leave.
19:45	Speaker 2 Happens all the time. Like the fucking guy, I can't remember the guy at fucking Activision, the guy who tried to the CEO at the time he he wanted people to do you wanted micro transactions for like bullets and shit like that and stuff. Eventually he got let go because he was doing such a shitty job at running Activision at the time and just another he became CEO of another shitty gaming company that was just as big as Activision.
20:08	It's like, why? Why do people want them? They don't do anything. They just make horrible decisions, I guess. Yeah, funny story that came out this week. It was silly. And generally, I think a lot of people said this, not that they would have acted this way because the initial shock I got what they acted like there was a fucking sniper on one of them.
20:30	So this guy ducked Well.
20:32	Speaker 1 He didn't duck, he melted. I think he just dissolved or evaporated or something.
20:39	Speaker 2 Somewhat, I just turned into the Wicked Witch of the Worst.
20:42	Speaker 1 Yeah.
20:43	Speaker 2 But if he just carried on hugging her or whatever, just waved at the camera and give her a little Peck on the cheek, I don't think it would have been shared on social media. It would have gone. It probably would have gone viral. No one would have seen it. Yeah, because the only reason I went viral when Chris Mayer went, oh, shit, he's cheating.
21:01	But then again, I don't. I don't. I've. I've said this to you before, but I don't know what's worth finding out. Your husband's cheating on your ass. He likes Coldplay. Both pretty diabolical. Yeah, just CEO's just getting what's coming to him slowly, but no one even heard of like the fucking company that he worked for either.
21:20	Speaker 1 Yeah, I can't. I can't remember what it's called even.
21:24	Speaker 2 Astronaut, astronaut astronomy, something like that, something along those lines. I.
21:29	Speaker 1 Don't know what product they make or service to provide.
21:32	Speaker 2 Imagine something something space themed.
21:35	Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess.

Best show ever

21:36	Speaker 2 With a name like that. Speaking of space themed. Oh yeah, you finished all of X-Files?
21:42	Speaker 1 Yeah, I've finished all of X-Files.
21:44	Speaker 2 Oh God what a good segue. Oh my segues are unmatched.
21:50	Speaker 1 Let me pat myself on the back for this.
21:52	Speaker 2 Yeah, I'll announce that I'll I'll immediately cut off the good segue with me derailing it and from Chris.
21:58	Speaker 1 Martin to David Duchovny. Oh, a little bit, yeah. Finished it. Finished all of X-Files, all eleven seasons in both movies.
22:07	Speaker 2 On the games, No, no, they're they're I forgot one of.
22:11	Speaker 1 I would have gone for the the spin off series as well but like.
22:15	Speaker 2 I told you Millennium.
22:16	Speaker 1 Yeah, Millennium and the long gunman.
22:19	Speaker 2 Oh yeah, yeah, the two spin off series, yeah, they're not available for some reason, even though, you know, they own the rights of them. I think unless you've got them on DVD now, it's just lost media.
22:27	Speaker 1 Yeah, I wasn't too asked about Millennium, but.
22:31	Speaker 2 Long gunman seemed pretty cool.
22:32	Speaker 1 Yeah, I would have really enjoyed. They only did one season of that as well it.
22:36	Speaker 2 Wasn't like a full 24 episode that.
22:38	Speaker 1 Was 11 I think 11 episodes but I really like the characters as well the.
22:43	Speaker 2 I don't know if these.
22:43	Speaker 1 Characters are based each episode doing.
22:46	Speaker 2 I don't know if these characters are based on the long gunman, but in the first Ace Ventura and in the Ace Ventura cartoon series, there's like a creepy sort of basement nerd dwellers long her headphones on and shit like that, that Ace goes to to like, get extra information from.
23:01	They were featured briefly in the film, only the first film when Ace goes to a Cannibal Corpse gig and they live in the basement under that Cannibal Corpse gig. Yeah, yeah. And they're also informants in the the cartoon series which came out. I don't know if it came out after race one or race 2.
23:18	Probably after race 2 because it was more kid friendly on it. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know if they that they were just based off the long gunman. I don't even know if it's the same act as a before, because he was.
23:28	Speaker 1 Just it isn't the same actor. It is only one guy in.
23:31	Speaker 2 AI remember it's like longer guy and he's got little round glasses and I'm sure there's the same similar guy in X-Files, but it has been fucking ages.
23:38	Speaker 1 Langley is the character's name in X-Files.
23:41	Speaker 2 Oh, it makes sense, he looked Langley.
23:45	Speaker 1 He's a Langley fellow, yeah.
23:47	Speaker 2 Did the one come and come back in the two revival seasons? Like right up until season 10? I did They just not. Would they just Did they just not appear in it ever again after their cancelled pilot series even?
23:59	Speaker 1 Well the lone gunman die in like season 8 they.
24:05	Speaker 2 Killed him off.
24:06	Speaker 1 Yeah, killed him off. I was really upset about it. I.
24:09	Speaker 2 Can't even remember that happening. Yeah.
24:12	Speaker 1 Langley comes back in an episode where his intelligence has been uploaded to a server, so he's.
24:20	Speaker 2 Fucking dumb.
24:21	Speaker 1 He's in an episode and then I think all three are in an episode of season.
24:25	Speaker 2 If we knew the technology in the 90s was like good shit means I can talk to you about the Speaking of technology music. Talk to you about the shitty VR episode.
24:35	Speaker 1 I didn't think any episode of X-Files was bad. I thought some of them were better than others. Some of them were much better than others, but I didn't think any of them were bad.
24:42	Speaker 2 Rug Genie.
24:43	Speaker 1 I didn't think it was bad. It was a bit more Twilight Zone than it was X-Files, but it didn't make for a bad episode.
24:50	Speaker 2 Sometimes I think.
24:51	Speaker 1 It had it had Will Sasso in it, and I'm a Will Sasso fan.
24:56	Speaker 2 Who's will Sasso? I'll probably know him if I see him.
24:59	Speaker 1 Yeah, let me get a picture of you. He played one of the two brothers that find the bug in the 1st place, right?
25:06	Speaker 2 I remember the VR episode being really bad though. That was like a trope without the early 2000s. Once we've got to do a video game episode, we've got to do AVR. Like CSI did it as well. I think. CSI went into a fucking video game to catch a bad guy and there's just like fucking CSI people going around on fucking hoverboards.
25:25	I vaguely recognise him, but I couldn't place him in anything.
25:28	Speaker 1 He usually does like bit part stuff like he's he doesn't bit character main character or he's usually like an episode or something or he'll play like the friend of someone in a movie or he's a very funny guy.
25:44	Speaker 2 Was he stand up outside of that or he just happened to be always playing funny guys?
25:48	Speaker 1 I think he did do stand up. I could be wrong on that, but it has a podcast with, I don't know if you've seen, there's a guy that does a podcast with his sister and his mom and his dad and his mom and dad are like incredibly conservative, just awful people.
26:06	Speaker 2 And the kids are the opposite end of the.
26:08	Speaker 1 Especially his dad. They're more centrist, I think. I think. I think that they take things from both sides, but more left-leaning, I think more open to discussion about stuff and more open to actually giving people rights.
26:25	But him, that guy. Yeah. Does a podcast with Will Sasso. They're very funny in that.
26:34	Speaker 2 One of my favorite ones that stuck out of the the two new seasons that came out like within the decade because I never watched season 10. That's something there isn't the ten seasons.
26:44	Speaker 1 11 seasons seasons. Season 10 out six episodes. Yeah, I think just because it was revival, let's just get people back into it type thing. But then season 11 was 10 episodes and then that's it.
26:56	Speaker 2 Yeah, news. Every time they bring something back or like modern TV these days, it usually does go 10 episodes or something like that. But those six episodes are the ones that I did see, but I never saw the last 10 episodes. Remember in those six episodes, the one that always stood out for me was Reese Derby's episode.
27:13	Just cuz It's so silly.
27:14	Speaker 1 So silly. Like I said to you, no other actor could have played that all they did.
27:19	Speaker 2 To me, when when I saw that when I watched the new series when it first came out, I watched it on TV, I thought, oh, X-Files is back. This is what X-Files. This is what I signed up for. I'm wondering if it was, I wonder if you got the gig from like that because one of the lighters something really liked.
27:40	Speaker 1 What we do in the shadows?
27:40	Speaker 2 Yeah, what we do in the shadows and then and he did that werewolves. We played a well off and that didn't he did that werewolves but.
27:47	Speaker 1 Werewolves, not swearwolves, yeah.
27:51	Speaker 2 But he he's playing a very rich Derby character. But if you see Flight of the Conchords, if you see what we do in the shadows is very are you calling? Are you calling a Dick head? Don't call me a Dick head.
28:08	It's very rude of you that Oh, I need to really watch like the comments. It's so good. One of the all time greats.
28:15	Speaker 1 Did you ever see any What We Do in the Shadows TV show? There's about 8 or 9 seasons of that. There's a lot I think I've.
28:23	Speaker 2 Saw on Disney into it.
28:24	Speaker 1 It is. I think I've maybe seen the halfway into Season 4. Good. Sometimes Bret and Jermaine have a little. Yeah, No, yes, no, I think he's an episode. Yeah, Jermaine's definitely in it a couple times.
28:39	Speaker 2 It's a it's not like a fault. It's like a spin off from the film into yeah, it's like a different chapter of vampires, so to speak, live in in obviously a different place.

What Taika does in the shadows

time	I've got Speaking of what we're doing in the shadows. I've got not a very known spin off of what we do in the shadows.
28:55	I own it on DVD, but I've never even fucking watched it. I've just never got run into, it's never like settled in, but it's very hard to go by you. I have to order it online DVD. I think you could probably see an HMV stuff these days, but I don't think it was shown over here. It's called Wellington Paranormal.
29:12	It's it's basically like, do you know what we do in the shadows is set in the turn of Wellington, New Zealand. Wellington Paranormal is about the two cops that we're in, what we do in the shadows, investigating the wells or whatever, just investigating all the paranormal shit that goes on in Wellington.
29:27	I think there might be an episode with Jermaine in it, but I'm not 100% sure. But yeah, it's called Wellington Paranormal. I will. I should probably give it a watch. I think what I'll do.
29:37	Speaker 1 That honestly sounds great.
29:40	Speaker 2 I'll probably give Wellington Paranormal a watch and then I'll probably give What We Do in the Shadows a watch and I'll probably just do them all. And then I can say I've done What We Do in the Shadows universe and then I can be that elitist prick who goes well. Well, have you seen Wellington Paranormal? Have you seen the other spin off that was just that only came out in New Zealand?
29:58	Speaker 1 Oh my God.
29:59	Speaker 2 It's mad that it only came out in New Zealand considering as popular as it is. It's got Thingy in it. Thingy plays one of the cops she is a friend of like Taika Otiti and Jermaine and whatnot. Do you know the Sheikh from Thor Ragnarok, the New Zealand woman?
30:19	She's she's got the melt stick or something. She played like the the slaves with jobs and whatnot. You know what I mean? She's she's in a few things. She's in a lot of Taika Witty is like sort of indie films before he went mental with a Marvel film.
30:35	I've not seen JoJo Rabbit, but I have seen God, he did 1. He did a really good one with Sam Neil and some kid. Wow, what was that called? Couldn't tell you. But there's a there's a really good line where this it's the kid from the first Deadpool film, you know, the the New Zealand.
30:53	Yeah, it's that kid and he gets fostered by Sam Neil and Samuel's wife and he's a little shit and they've got to look after him, but he's on the run from the cops and it's like starting New Zealand woman I'm on about. And he goes like, you can't catch me. It's like I'm the Terminator. It's like, yeah, we'll I did you do a whole Terminator run.
31:11	It doesn't do it good if I don't remember it off the top of my end.
31:14	Speaker 1 No, no, go on.
31:14	Speaker 2 No, because because I completely forgot the bit. But I remember the bit being very funny. God, what was that film called?
31:23	Speaker 1 I do know the movie you're talking about.
31:25	Speaker 2 It was very good. It made me cry. It made me cry. He also did Eagle versus Shark. And I'm not, I'm not saying that, but Jermaine's in that one.
31:33	Speaker 1 Speaking of Tiger.
31:35	Speaker 2 Oh, God, right. He's really like, right. I know. I think I know what you're going to say. He started off doing really good, like sort of indie films, you know, I mean, home for the world of people. Yeah. Home for the world of people. He did a film called Boy, You Know What We Do in the Shadows, JoJo Rabbit.
31:51	And they were like his little indie films that he did. And they were all critical acclaimed. They were all very funny, but they were very heartwarming, very moving. Then he did Thor Ragnarok, kind of like brought Thor back after for that world, you know, was received so poorly. And then he did fall Love and Thunder, which was received very negatively.
32:08	And I think they went a bit too far with that one. And I'm a Marvel shill. I don't think any Marvel films bad, but Love and Thunder is pretty. It had moments. Yeah, it had moments I didn't.
32:20	Speaker 1 Genuinely have any problem with the love and Thunder?
32:23	Speaker 2 I think he got a bit too comical and it was a bit over, over the top silly. But yeah, because of that one bad film, he's considered. Does everybody know hates Taika Otita and everyone's like, we can't make a good film ever again. He's not allowed to make good films. What are you going to mention about Taika Otita? He's he's.
32:39	Speaker 1 Going to be directing the new dread.
32:42	Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what that's what I knew you were going.
32:44	Speaker 1 To say I wanted to talk to you about this in person because I don't feel like that's his kind of film. I trust him, but I don't feel like it's his kind of.
32:55	Speaker 2 Movie The Have you ever read like any other Drake comics?
32:59	Speaker 1 Yeah.
33:00	Speaker 2 They have a There is a silly.
33:02	Speaker 1 Yeah, but in sort of dystopia.
33:05	Speaker 2 It's that Fallout level of silly into that yeah, sort of corporations over the top Cyberpunk 2077 silly like this is so absurd yeah, this is insane. But there is some there is some weird kooky carriage in the comics. Like you've got a judge with like 6 arms, you know, you've got like you've got that jigsaw disease where if you get this jigsaw disease you just fall apart in big chunks of jigsaw pieces.
33:31	Him doing a dread film makes me think they're going to go in. Like I feel like they're going to introduce the the four horsemen judges. I feel like he's got to do, if he's doing that, doing a four film, because I think that's something that the dread, as much as I love dread with Carl Urban, it was very great.
33:48	It was very grounded. It was very much. Yeah, it it absolutely takes place in the dread universe. But you introduce like a judge deaf into that or something, it gets a bit weird. Yeah. You know, And it's like, how does it really fit? My issue is people have been been clamoring for a dread too, for fucking years.
34:05	Yeah. And I don't think this is going to be dread too. I think this is just got to be a new dread film.
34:09	Speaker 1 Yeah, and it will from the very little amount.
34:13	Speaker 2 That we know. It's like the Hellboy thing. It's like everybody wants a new Hellboy with Ron Pearlman, but they'll do another Hellboy with David Harbour and then they'll do another Hellboy with a completely different actor. And it's like, why don't you just, why don't you just do a Ron Perlman?
34:29	Why?
34:30	Speaker 1 You know, yeah, do another one. And Guillermo, team up Hellboy because you don't get another fucking great movie.
34:37	Speaker 2 Del Torres says he does want to do one, but the money's not though. I just guess they don't want to invest that much money and they want to do it low budget. But from what I've heard, the Crooked man's very good.
34:45	Speaker 1 Yeah.
34:46	Speaker 2 Have you seen it?
34:47	Speaker 1 No, I've not. I would like to to be honest with you.
34:49	Speaker 2 Sorry, sorry. It's on prime I think I.
34:51	Speaker 1 Have a league I will watch it because.
34:52	Speaker 2 I want to watch the David Hazel as well because I don't think the David Haborn is going to be as bad as what people have said it is.
34:57	Speaker 1 I can't remember if I've seen it I.
34:59	Speaker 2 Didn't really vibe with the golden army. That's that's my hot take. I just thought the first one was like peak and I didn't really like the golden army that much. It was good don't get me wrong. I just preferred. I just preferred the first one, but.
35:12	Speaker 1 Yeah, I have heard that Karl Urban is going to be dread again. Whether that's true or not is.
35:17	Speaker 2 If he is that would be amazing do.
35:18	Speaker 1 You know what I mean? But if that is the case, then even if it's not a sequel, it would still be a spiritual success. What I I.
35:26	Speaker 2 Feel, I mean, they did kind of like I remember in Dreadnow, right when I think about it, they did kind of delve into the weirdness of it because Anderson had a psychic abilities. Yeah, which is something that they never bothered fucking even addressing in the Sylvester Stallone one in the 80s, which funnily enough, they could have got away with a lot more silly shit.
35:43	Oh yeah.
35:43	Speaker 1 Definitely.
35:45	Speaker 2 With the way it looked at everything, because I think visually it looked OK, You know it. Just, pardon me, just a bad fit. It's a bad film.

The pinnacle of impressions

time	And like, it's that Sylvester Stallone thing is like, what? What? What's the main character trait? Nif takes off his mask. Yeah. I won't be doing that, No.
36:02	Speaker 1 Load 2 minutes and 37 seconds of helmet and that's it look.
36:08	Speaker 2 You think I'm one? That's a bad precious.
36:12	Speaker 1 That's Sylvester.
36:15	Speaker 2 Stallone. I know I can do better than that. That was awful. You don't understand. The only thing that I'm worried about is that people won't know who I'm behind the mask work, Sylvester People are going to.
36:31	Speaker 1 Do the impression because I still not heard it. I still not heard it. Yeah, like so this is Mike's better impression.
36:41	Speaker 2 I can't do it right, right? No, I'm not doing it. When the microphones are off and the camera will stop rolling then it will be perfect.
36:50	Speaker 1 Oh my God.
36:52	Speaker 2 No, I just think it's hilarious that Sylvester Stallone was worried that he wouldn't people wouldn't recognize him. He wouldn't recognize that gin and that, that gin, that chin and that jaw flopping about underneath, underneath that mask, let alone the voice, the unique voice, which I, I nailed.
37:12	People don't know of it is.
37:13	Speaker 1 Jesus Christ.
37:15	Speaker 2 I hope Carl Evans and I think he's a good actor.
37:17	Speaker 1 Yeah, I fucking loved Dread. I thought it was cool as fuck.
37:21	Speaker 2 Yeah, one of one of the coolest films. I came at ages and it did all right at the box office, I believe. I think it made some money, but apparently not enough money for a sequel. But Taco Otiti doing it, I don't know. Because the thing that I have to think is like he has, he does do good films and he has done good films Well, Yeah, you know.
37:41	Speaker 1 Like I said, I do trust him to make something good, you know what I mean? And I think that my worries are mostly squashed and that you were like, well, yeah, well, Dreddy is actually quite silly. And you are right, even with the things that you said the the eating competitions.
37:57	Speaker 2 Oh yeah.
37:58	Speaker 1 Where it's like, oh, you've got 24 hours to eat this camper van. Jesus Christ.
38:06	Speaker 2 And this is what I think Tiger's going to actually bring to the table. Mine embrace that silly wackiness of like 2000 AD. But again, this is what I also think is going to happen just because most people, most casual viewers, yeah, people claim that they like the comics and stuff like that.
38:21	And I've not even read a lot of them. I've just read the odd issue here and there. Yeah, so. But I did, I do have this massive dread book which someone gifted me when I was like 7, which was like a big A-Z of like the world of dread. And I have read that from cover to cover about 100 times.
38:38	It's really fucking good. So even though I've not read a lot, I feel like I know a bit about the world. But it's like every dread issue takes place in like real time and Judge Dredd has aged.
38:48	Speaker 1 Yeah.
38:49	Speaker 2 With the comic as as it's gone on and now he's just an old man, which I think is pretty cool. Which obviously something comics don't do. But yeah, it's very weird and it's very silly. But I think what's going to happen is what always happens is that if he embraces any of that stuff from the comics or the magazines as they call it, because it was British or it is British.
39:08	But yeah, people are going to say, well, that's dumb, that's silly. And then because they've got the films to go off of the one film to go off, I guess it's always, it's always happens.

The sun shines on the future of the DCU

40:44 Like, well, but yeah, in Zack Snyder's Justice League, his parents, you know, like in the comics and stuff before him, his parents just sent him to be a protector. But like, the whole idea of Jarrell Senior, the fuck he called? He's got Jarrell. 41:00 Yeah, Jarrell. The whole idea of Jarrell, like, send him Superman to Earth, it's not necessary nefarious reasons. Just say you could rule if you want to rule that that idea has been done in the comics. It's been done in other shows. I think Smallville did it. You know, it's not something I particularly vibe with. 41:15 But I think the whole point is that Superman goes against that message anyway. And it's about that character of hope, you know? And like, you do get that sense of like, hope from the film. It's like a cheesy Connie line. But like, you know, maybe being nice to people is the real punk rock. 41:32 Am I? Yeah. That's something Superman would fucking say because it's an absolute. 41:37 Speaker 1 Reason I would I would agree with that anyway because the whole punk movement is to go against. 41:43 Speaker 2 Yeah, when Superman says it's lame, but like, adorably lame, do you know what I mean? It's like it fits the character. 41:51 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. 41:53 Speaker 2 Right. Yeah, well, maybe be nice to people. It's a real punk rock, Lois. Did you ever think about that? God, you're a fucking loser. But that's the character of Superman. Yeah, to me personally, I know he's a dorky little fucking guy, and I just don't think they gave Henry Cavil enough character development in his three films. 42:13 I do think it's hilarious that James Gunn did include a series of online monkey bots just to talk shit about Zoom and every time someone is in National because it is a call, they are like fucking blindlessly anything to do with that film. They love anything Zack Snyder does. I don't know if you've ever seen Rebel Moon Part 1 or Part 2. 42:30 It's fucking awful his his take on Star Wars because the guy he reminds me Michael Bay, it's just edgy stuff for being edgy sake. He he likes stuff being a bit dark, bit grey and bit edgy. But every time someone like posts a comment on like something, they'll just the caption under It would just be one of those angry monkeys anguishly typing on the typewriter. 42:50 Which is silly, but. 42:52 Speaker 1 It is, but it's apartment. 42:53 Speaker 2 Very apartment and a part of me is like, did James can put that in there on purpose just for that reason because he's a little bit cheeky. 43:02 Speaker 1 Maybe. 43:02 Speaker 2 I do think he's probably the best person to do any comic book film ever because I don't think he's ever messed with anything because like twice now he's done so He did a take on Suicide Squad, which was a lot better than yeah, that Suicide Squad, a lot better. 43:19 He did a take on Superman, which I think was a lot better. To me, it just felt like an episode of the 90s cartoon. I know he's not going to do in the Superman film, the Batman film, but he's very closely because he sees everything. He's got to like dot the TS Cross the IS. 43:34 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, he's. 43:35 Speaker 2 Got to do all that bullshit so hope it's good. But the next two films that are in this slate is Supergirl, which is a next year, and Clayface, which is going to be a body horror. 43:46 Speaker 1 Film just an R rated horrible looking. 43:50 Speaker 2 And the director cited for his inspiration was that one episode of the 90s TV show. Fuck yeah give me that. I will happily watch a Clayface film that does not have Batman in it or anything. What a weird character to do a film about a Batman related character without Batman but yet it works. 44:12 Speaker 1 But visually, one of the best. 44:14 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, I think it's it's very interesting like film to do a Batman character, like if you're gonna do spin off films. I do think like the Joker worked the first one did. I've not seen the second one, but I've heard terrible things. I really enjoyed the first Joker. Yeah, it's fine. It exists in that world. 44:29 It's a different it's an Elks World story. It works, but that worked. I imagine Clayface could also work for a similar reason. Yeah, I don't think 2 Faced would ever work unless you like court dramas. Thing is, with toothpaste, you'd have to have Bruce Wayne in a lot. 44:44 Speaker 1 Yeah. 44:45 Speaker 2 Because they were like best buds. I think you could do a Mr. Freeze film without Batman I. 44:49 Speaker 1 Was I was thinking Mr. Freeze? Yeah. 44:52 Speaker 2 Because a lot of Batman's Rogue, I think they've gotten their origin stories alone good enough for their own films, you know? And then if you put them in a Batman film, we already know all about them and you can just fight them. You know what I mean? Yeah. Much better than doing AI. Guess it's better than what Sony was doing with Mobius and Craven and Madam Webb on Venom. 45:14 Yeah, the one that actually was successful. 45:18 Speaker 1 I know, but it was only successful because it was. 45:21 Speaker 2 Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy, yeah, Yeah. I think it was like. 45:24 Speaker 1 It didn't have anything to do with the story, did it? Didn't have anything to do with the. 45:28 Speaker 2 Because ladies like ladies like Tom Hardy, so they weren't watching it. And then there's some people that claim to love Venom and they weren't watching it. I don't know how you could ever, like, sit through a Venom film on the premise of thinking, oh, this has nothing to do with Spider Man when that character is so fucking tied to Spider Man. 45:48 Like, Mr. Freeze isn't tied to Batman. He just fights him at some point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Clayface isn't tied to Batman. Sometimes he is, sometimes he isn't. For the most time, he's just if they're going with the origin they're going for, he's just a failed actor trying to get by in life. 46:04 And he has this ability to just change his face. He gets done over by the mob, whatever. For villain origin films, it's a tough one. Like if you want to do a villain film without a hero counterpart. But yeah, you can't. Do I think what Sony did try to do with Venom, They tried to make him an anti hero, which he is anyway in the comics, but they did the same thing with Craven. 46:23 Then they tried to do the same thing with Morbius. Did they make Morbius? I know these part of the Midnight Suns anyway eventually, but I don't know. 46:30 Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like what Sony's doing with all these, I think a shitty movie. 46:35 Speaker 2 I think they quit that now. I think they just give up. 46:37 Speaker 1 Well, good, right? Good, right? But. 46:42 Speaker 2 Just sell Spiderman back to.

time	It's like those people there's like claiming that this that Henry Cavill was a better Superman than like David Kohn.
39:26	Swear. I'm like, given the right film and script, I think Henry Cavill could have been a great Superman. I genuinely think he could have. And I think he looks the part. He's a good actor. He just had shitty writing and shitty directing and some guy's idea of what Superman is. You know what I mean? But people are like, no, he's my Superman.
39:41	Man of Steel was way better than this film. I'm like, but it wasn't. It genuinely wasn't.
39:48	Speaker 1 Yeah, I did. I did enjoy Man of Steel though. I.
39:51	Speaker 2 Enjoyed Man of Steel? I liked it. I really liked Man of Steel when it came out. I don't know if I'd still enjoy it if I rewatch. I think I still like it because it's more of a grounded take on like a Superman in our world. But it's everything that followed that. Like Batman V Superman was fucking awful and it was just boring and the Justice League was fucking shy, you know?
40:11	It's like in a film called Batman VS Superman Superman. Fucking Henry Cavill had like 12 lines of dialogue. Fucking dumb. But yeah, there's people out there who are like, Oh no, Cavill can't be matched. He is the 1 greatest Superman of all time.
40:28	I'm like, yeah, well, Christopher Reeve exists. You can't say anyone's better than him because that guy was fucking perfect, you know? And these same people are like, oh, oh, Guy fucking Superman. They ruined the origin by saying his parents sent him to Earth to destroy him.
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The cataclysm in Stamford and the dress that no one wanted

46:43 Speaker 1 Miles It feels very like how Disney is trying to be like, oh, but these villains are actually nice, aren't they? Which I don't agree with. Just just let the evil witch be an evil witch. Do you know what? 46:57 Speaker 2 I mean, oh, you're on about like, the classic Disney characters. Yeah, like they've been hurt in some way. You've got to justify the the the the evilness. 47:04 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So now rather than condemning the original like the original message is, Maleficent is an evil witch. 47:12 Speaker 2 No, she's got it. 47:14 Speaker 1 Right, that's just how it is. She wasn't invited to a pie, which is a social faux pas and because of that she cursed this girl, right? That's petty evil antagonist stuff. 47:26 Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm bored with that. 47:27 Speaker 1 Yeah, don't try and twist it as though I just. I just don't like it. I don't, I don't like that kind of shit. I. 47:33 Speaker 2 Think that's why it was refreshing to see Lex in this film be like how he was because he was very petty like why did he really hate Superman? Because he's different, but he's it and you got a team of people to also hate on him. And he did just straight up shoot that guy in front of Superman, that guy who like helped him. 47:53 I think Ziman was just giving him the benefit of the dope. But you know, he was a nice guy. But because of that interaction, now that guy's dead. So I don't how do you feel on villains, which is like, look, you're evil, you're doing a horrible thing, but I can see where you're coming from. 48:13 Tony Stark, what are you doing? Tony is pretty horrific. I can see we could kind of help. Yeah. But like, say, like, say, what do you prefer? 48:29 Thanos being evil just to get some ass? Or Thanos or Thanos being evil because he's trying to, like, balance resources and so the universe can live longer and not eat itself alive. It's a very evil thing that he wants to do, but he's got a purpose behind it. 48:44 Speaker 1 I think in some situations, and I know that you agree with me on this anyway, just because of past conversations we've had, what works in a book and works on a screen are two different things. Anyway. For him to do it because he's in love with Death, you would have to then establish a lot more things within the Marvel Universe for all. 49:05 You could even do that anyway. 49:06 Speaker 2 Agatha All Along should have came out way before Infinity War. And then because obviously Audrey Plaza was playing Death. 49:13 Speaker 1 Yeah. 49:15 Speaker 2 I'd kill a lot of people for RV Plaza. You know what? Theranos snap away. I get it. Trendy Locker wants I still. 49:28 Speaker 1 It is. It is like the whole Watchman thing as well. The whole. 49:33 Speaker 2 Difference between dickheads and the Watchmen. 49:35 Speaker 1 No, I mean the difference being the way that Ozymandias unites the globe in the comic is all alien invasion and we know that because this giant squid brain monsters crashed into New York. 49:50 Speaker 2 Let's all put Adam's aside and fight the aliens. Yeah. Yeah. I hope they heard the air quotes. I think it was implied the way like this was like as much as like rag on Zack Snyder. His version of Watchmen works better. 50:06 I generally think it works better than what he did in the books. What happened in the film happened in the box. It still would have been a really good book. Yeah, like. But then you wouldn't have the whole subplot of this scientist has gone missing and he's been put on an island. 50:21 Oh, this scientist has gone missing and he's on an island. Turns out they're building a squid. That has to look somewhat not other should get a real squid. They look weird. Just take a real squid and just put a grow ray on it. 50:39 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I guess. 50:40 Speaker 2 Take any animal and make it big. People think it's an alien, especially sea creatures. It was a bit convoluted as it was in the book. I think for a celebrated as it is, that is a very convoluted arc that is persistent throughout it. 50:54 Speaker 1 Yeah. 50:55 Speaker 2 But I just there's some back story in the book which I think is not me because it is a is a chunky graphic novel. It's like Rorschach's origin of his. 51:04 Speaker 1 Excuse. 51:05 Speaker 2 Me mask it comes from like some designer did he like Nick the cloth from like some designer fashion show thing some designer was. 51:12 Speaker 1 Like shit, I can't, I can't remember. Did he not work like a not an outlet, I don't think. But he, he, he had a job. 51:20 Speaker 2 He had a job and I think he stole the fabric from an actual designer who was creating this Rorschach material and like models were wearing it on on a runway. It's something he he nicked it and made into a mask. But yes, evil, not for being evil sake, but he's trying to create peace. 51:38 You know, similar to Tony Stark, very smart man. Usually the smart men are always evil. Very smart man. He just wants peace in our time. 51:48 Speaker 1 He's a very ends justify the means type. 51:51 Speaker 2 Of so like, as long as we get it done, we get it done. And then like, whereas like sort of freaking Rorschach, because there's a moment, I think it in the film and in the book, there's a moment when fucking is it night owl? What was he called? Yeah, Night owl is night owl. 52:07 Silk Spectre and Rorschach are all we kind of stop the Ozymandeus. Then he explains his plan. Then he explains that he already did the thing that he was going to do, and Doctor Manhattan's her as well. And it's all like, maybe we'll maybe we'll just save it because it's already been done. 52:26 Let's just. And then Rorschach being Rorschach, it's like, I am going to tell the fucking world. Yeah. But then we won't have World Peace anymore. Yeah. But he was evil. And I need to tell the truth, which is what I like about that character. Yeah. 52:39 Speaker 1 Yeah. 52:40 Speaker 2 Because I feel like it's a Batman thing to do anyway. I think that's what Batman would do. Or would he? I don't know, he might be an interest 5 minutes because I feel like the heroes got on board with Ozymandeus at the end and that's why. Well. 52:51 Speaker 1 I think, I think, I think Batman, much like Law Shark, he's very black and white in terms of. 52:59 Speaker 2 Oh, now I get the mask so so allow more. 53:06 Speaker 1 He's very best and white in his code of morality. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and yeah, I do. I mean it. It always depends on the whiter anyway, don't it? But I I would see Batman put more stock in the truth than just letting something lie. 53:23 Speaker 2 Even if in his world it meant Gotham would have no crime ever again. Yeah, I don't know. That's his one. 53:29 Speaker 1 I think so. 53:30 Speaker 2 I think it matters. I think, I think it matters who was doing it. If it was the Joker in Ozzy Mandy's place, no, we tell the truth. But. 53:37 Speaker 1 Because it's a billionaire. Because it's a fellow billionaire. 53:42 Speaker 2 You have created World Peace. You have. You have reduced Gotham's crime rate to 0%. That's something I can never do. 53:49 Speaker 1 Well, no, but he isn't. He isn't stopping St. climb, is it? It's true. It's just stopping war. 53:55 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, you're right. But and then ducked my hands. Like for the man who can see everything past players in the future is like, you can't get you can't let this get out. You can't. No. Boom. What's him up? Little did he know he already dropped off all these findings. 54:10 Speaker 1 He's War Journal. 54:11 Speaker 2 He's got a war journal in the in the presses, so World Peace never happens. It is a complex book. I can see why it's like considered and been studied for like fucking since it came out. And I can see why they always consider it unfilmable, you know? 54:27 But I do think Zack Snyder is much I give him shit for. He did a very good job at that film, mainly because he just pointed the camera at the fucking book and just shook it about about, I guess except for the ending. 54:42 I've been ruined by that. Every time I think about Watchmen, I've been ruined by that Simpsons edit. I'm not the, I'm not the principal of a wine mother. It's Skinner's mum, as Doctor Manhattan says, and you never will be. 55:00 I think the worst thing that DC ever did with Watchmen is try to continue the brand. I know you're a fan of Before Watchmen, I've never read it, but not necessarily principle. 55:10 Speaker 1 I think I only bought the stuff that I wanted to read, which was divorce, naturally, I wasn't interested in. 55:19 Speaker 2 There was a lot of it as well. 55:20 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, yeah, loads of it, yeah. 55:21 Speaker 2 And like. 55:22 Speaker 1 It was like 8 books came out and each book has two different character stories. 55:27 Speaker 2 Yeah, I just sort of got loggerheads with it, I thought at that point. And I know Alamo doesn't like anything that ever gets adapted from his shit film, TV, whatever. He hates it all. He's running in a book and that's how it should stay. That's it. He doesn't like things being adapted. He's like, this is this medium, don't change it. 55:45 Don't do that. 55:49 Speaker 1 I do. I think I said this to you earlier at some point, but I do agree with him to a point, Yeah, yeah, in the the original message, in the original medium is the best that it's going to be. 56:02 Speaker 2 Yeah, it is. It always is. And he's got a point. Like you shouldn't have to change it. And he said, he does say a lot of people, writers of comic books and novels these days, they write with the intention of thinking, maybe I have to write it this way because it might be a film one day and I have to change it for that. 56:20 That should never ruin your intention of writing. Play to the strength of the medium. I completely agree with that. If you're going to do a song, if I'm going to make a song, I should not have the intention of thinking. I wonder what this would be like as a play, you know, which is what I think some people do when it's like. 56:41 Speaker 1 I'm not sure. 56:43 Speaker 2 No, it worked perfect. That's exactly the analogy that I was trying to make it the extremes. If I if I create a song, I shouldn't be thinking at the back of my head. I bet this would be a good picture. 56:59 I bet this would make a cracking doodle. And vice versa, if I draw a picture, I shouldn't think this would make a good song. But yeah, I just didn't like how DC rubber milked Watchmen. I did dug it up about 20 years after it came out. 57:15 The film come out like 5 years before I. We need to do more shit with Watchmen. Let's do it. What happened if we do it before the Watchmen or the main men? The stuff that was in the Watchmen book. 57:25 Speaker 1 And they went no. 57:28 Speaker 2 All the relevant, all the relevant flashbacks, because there's a lot of flashbacks in that book. All the relevant flashbacks in that book are in that book. You know, you have characters, history, story, the lineage, the main characters, parents, history are in there. 57:43 It goes back to the fucking 50s or like the 30s or something. It's whatever. You don't need flashbacks in that. And then they tried to do a fucking bullshit thing. Try the Watchman universe and merging it with the actual DC Universe, just because DC as a publisher own a comic. 58:02 You don't have to put Batman in there. You don't have to see a Doctor Manhattan versus Superman fight. I don't know how Watchman versus DC Universe ended up. Like I've tried looking into it every now and then. I do a little bit of research. I'm like, I still can't make heads or tails of this and what it what I get from my little research. 58:20 And this must have been very frustrating to read because it was essentially just a normal like Batman story, or a normal Superman story or a normal Justice League story with a tease of a Watchman thing at the end. Like it's. 58:35 Speaker 1 A fucking point in that. 58:37 Speaker 2 At the end of every issue or something like so be normal Batman story and then at the end he'll find like the comedians pin, you know, I mean, where's this from? Whatever I think and I could be wrong on this. 58:49 Speaker 1 Fucking Lord of bollocks I. 58:51 Speaker 2 Think, and I could be wrong on this in Doctor Manhattan's pursuit to create no pissed off to Mars and lived alone because that was like this is peaceful. You know, no one's fighting up here. This is this is the only way things will be at peace. I think the DC Universe, this is what they were going The DC Universe exists because it's a universe that Doctor Manhattan created in trying to create the perfect universe. 59:16 I'm like, well, you thought that look at Gotham. Why would you do that? Why would you take Oh my? 59:24 Speaker 1 God. 59:24 Speaker 2 Why would you take shitty New York where you're based on, you know, and make it worse and give it a protector of a man with no powers? Why would you do that, Doctor Man? Adam, why would you take an like, I don't know. 59:43 I don't know what happened like so I guess canonically in in in DC, DC Universe and multiverse exist because of Doctor Manhattan existing in his own, which is wild because DC Comics exists in the Watchmen universe as comics, don't they? 1:00:00 I. 1:00:01 Speaker 1 Think they do? Yeah. 1:00:02 Speaker 2 Because they like, they always go like, like when Doctor Manhattan's knocking about there, I was like, what if Superman was real? You know, what if he was an American? Here he is our own Superman. I think the DC Comics exist within the world of Watchmen. Maybe he was just an avid reading man. I'm going to make those a reality ZAP and then the whole I think it was. 1:00:21 I don't know what happened in the actual if they did do a fight with Doctor Manhattan versus Superman, but I know a lot of people were hyped for that for a long time, like building up to and I'm like. 1:00:31 Speaker 1 Why I tell you who wins? 1:00:33 Speaker 2 Why? Why are you hyped for that or. 1:00:35 Speaker 1 Who should win? 1:00:36 Speaker 2 Well, Doctor Manhattan, every time. 1:00:38 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:00:39 Speaker 2 Who would win a fight between a man who can just alter anything from the mind of anything? He could. He could. He could turn matter into anything. The guy could be insane. He could turn Superman's blood into kryptonite if he wanted to. 1:00:54 He could turn Superman into a cushion. It doesn't matter. It's the guy's a God.

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But yeah, the fact that people are hyping that up as anything but I don't know how we play. I'm never stupid. It's a stupid thing to hype up. 1:01:10 It's like Absolutely Batman. Every time I see it, something from Absolutely Batman, it always feels like they they hyping something up for the next issue, but it never has a payoff. Like I've seen some images like oh, absolutely Batman's images. There's people on TikTok fucking glaze in it. Absolutely Batman's so fucking wild. He tamed Killer Croc. 1:01:27 He's he's riding him into a battle fight in Bane. I'm like, well, it was already established that whoever Killer Croc was white wailing whatever. Him and Bruce were friends in this universe. They had a gym together. He trained at his gym. He just spoke to him and said, oh, it's wailing. 1:01:43 It's me, Bruce. Maybe we shouldn't be fine at him. He tamed Killer Croc and he's riding him into a power. Stop it. Also killer Crocs designs dumb. Do you know he's got a mouth which covers his hips? 1:01:58 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His entire face is actually just the size of a normal person's face as well. 1:02:07 Speaker 2 I generally think that's a cool, weird creature designing. Like I said, it's like a horror game or like something or like something a bit abstract. 1:02:16 Speaker 1 Like. 1:02:17 Speaker 2 Some Lovecraft Aryan bullshit I. 1:02:19 Speaker 1 Mean it. It could be like a dead Spacey type thing. 1:02:22 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's got that those vibes. Kill a croc who looks at that thing with the mouth for a torso and goes, that's a crocodile, and that's a killer one at that. Oh, rather, instead of one of those loving, not killer crocodiles, you know it's not one of them, One of them vegan crocodiles. 1:02:48 Yeah, so the teas go. Quite the teas. But apparently Bane locked him up in Arkham for a bit and then bullied him and then he. 1:02:57 Speaker 1 Bullied. 1:02:58 Speaker 2 It apparently so, so tease that. Like they just keep teasing things and never really paying them off. Like Joker covered in babies doesn't laugh though. Yeah, yeah. Do you fucking? There's an issue that just ended where it teased Poison Ivy, but. 1:03:16 Speaker 1 She is essentially a forest. 1:03:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, she's like a hive mind forest. Like it's like, what did he say? It's like the Isley Woods or something. 1:03:24 Speaker 1 Yes. 1:03:29 Speaker 2 Just that is that one tree. 1:03:35 Speaker 1 Fucking yeah like how old from a fallout 3? 1:03:40 Speaker 2 Yeah, essentially that's what Poison Ivy is. An absolute Batman. I have seen a little panel. 1:03:44 Speaker 1 Doesn't seem much of A threat if I'm being honest. 1:03:47 Speaker 2 Fire would do it. 1:03:49 Speaker 1 I mean, she's weed killer. Just just don't go into that bit of the forest because I'll. 1:03:55 Speaker 2 Tell you, I'll tell you one disadvantage that she doesn't have work to which is normal continuity Poison Ivy. If all the if all the trees in the forest looked like Poison Ivy, I'd be like, I might just nip into this forest guys. It looks very alluring. Have you seen these fucking trees? 1:04:11 Have you seen them? I'll be back in, I'll be back in a few and I was never seen from a joke. 1:04:17 Speaker 1 About what? 1:04:20 Speaker 2 Well, yeah, she doesn't even have that going for her anymore. She's an ugly swan pack. I've seen one image of one of the drones, I guess because it's like a hard mind situation where it's just like either she's shoving her roots in some guy's mouth and like it's coming out of his eyes. It's just like grotesque for being grotesque, just so people can go. 1:04:37 Speaker 1 What? 1:04:39 Speaker 2 I feel that's all absolute Batman is now it's made to watch people on TikTok react and because there's I'm not getting any of this from any of the other absolute shit. I'm not seeing people talk about absolute Batman, absolute Superman, Wonder Woman off flash seem 1 martial manhunter thing going. 1:04:56 He looks weird and that's it. But so about absolute Batman being an absolute piece of shit again. I mean, I mean, I know me and you're in the minority because we generally the only people who think it looks dumb and silly. And they also teased an absolute Catwoman who's just normal Catwoman. 1:05:15 But imagine if a head was a very shiny marble, like like a a silver ball bearing with the ears. So it's just a woman with a ball bearing face and just ears. That's was in the image of. I have to show it off. 1:05:28 Speaker 1 You, you'll have to, because fucking God, I honestly, I fucking hate it. I fucking hate all of absolute Batman. 1:05:41 Speaker 2 You can tell me if my description was accurate or not accurate. I mean, I just don't, you know, why bother changing at that point? So we've got to make it different. We've got it. That's exactly right. 1:05:50 Speaker 1 What's the fucking point? It's the point. Why, why why does she look like that is? 1:05:54 Speaker 2 She even a cat at that point. Maybe it's one of the black masks masks cuz they oh I'd like round heads didn't. 1:06:00 Speaker 1 They is it? Is it supposed to be like a Pearl? Like a big like mother of Pearl type thing. 1:06:06 Speaker 2 Maybe, I don't know, but it's dumb. 1:06:09 Speaker 1 It looks fucking stupid. It looks fucking stupid, like everything else I've seen over there at. 1:06:16 Speaker 2 Least she's still wearing a cat suit. I guess they could have done something weird. Do you know sometimes when we see Cliff notes from product art? Hang on. OK, this one here. Very reflections. 1:06:32 What do we call these? Like behind the scenes. 1:06:35 Speaker 1 Like concept art I. 1:06:35 Speaker 2 Guess yeah, the concept art stuff. There's one tail can whip. Her tail is the whip. 1:06:42 Speaker 1 Right, that's not a very short whip or a very long, cumbersome piece of costume. 1:06:50 Speaker 2 Smart tail. Maybe it might have its own thinking behind it. 1:06:56 Speaker 1 Right. So it's gold, it can go longer and shorter then I guess. 1:06:59 Speaker 2 Yeah, so like, Batman's weird. Not that they're smart wings, but he's got those weird Hawks hot wings on it. Play with shadow mask reflections. I like if someone's drawn a real cat next to a Catwoman in their concept art, just so we know it's still a cat. 1:07:15 It'd look better if it was the bike helmet thing like that one. You know you could still see a mouth. 1:07:25 Speaker 1 What a wistful sigh. You just. 1:07:28 Speaker 2 Give a hooves, it says. Ninja boot toe points to a shoe. Give a hooves or go look at this little doodle ear of a tail. She's like a tail who's got like grabbers on the end. You know, like dock arts claws. 1:07:43 Speaker 1 Like a cat, Yeah. 1:07:46 Speaker 2 It's just funny because it's like a little doodle, but you know that shit's going to happen. It's at the top. Tail can rap. I'm an intelligent tale and I'm here to say I'm on Catalan was back. 1:08:04 I'm here to stay. Like it's one of those things that I love to hate. I love learning about it, but I also hate it at the same time because it because it's so bad. And to me it just keeps. 1:08:13 Speaker 1 Getting worse is it? I hate seeing it. I hate being terrible. I hate learning more. 1:08:20 Speaker 2 I hate, do you hate the fact that everybody seems to love it? 1:08:23 Speaker 1 Yeah, because I don't. Fucking I don't. 1:08:26 Speaker 2 Do you feel like you're wrong? Don't you feel like everyone's just liking you? I. 1:08:29 Speaker 1 Don't I feel like everyone else is stupid as fuck? I really fucking don't like anything. 1:08:37 Speaker 2 I'm on board with like a full light new reboot of the DC universe or whatever and everyone has a different take. But not like that. No, not like the absolute Batman is Batman be alone. Ridiculous and the fact that he's only like 21 or some shit like that fresh out of college, knows everything. 1:08:54 Speaker 1 Knows everything, has had every job. 1:08:58 Speaker 2 Yeah, because he's the. 1:08:59 Speaker 1 Biggest. Strongest like. 1:09:02 Speaker 2 Because he's a he's a trade, You know, it's a trade. Yeah. Batman, the trade. He's got every job, you know, he knows the system. He's he's his bat Cave is all over Gotham. He's got little hideouts. And then if you point them all together on a map, it's in the shape of a bat. 1:09:20 Like do all those hideouts just happened to be in the shape and but or did he Specifically this ones not giving me very much cover but I need to have it for the ears otherwise it would make sense and only have one ear if I didn't have this particular hideout. 1:09:39 They've shown absolutely Mr. Freeze as well, but nothing has been done with it. They keep teasing villains, but how can you tease a villain at the end of an issue and then not follow up with the next issue with that villain? Like absolutely Freeze was teased. 1:09:51 Speaker 1 It's not very well written, is it? It's a book, like all all it is. 1:09:56 Speaker 2 We've not read this, by the way. 1:09:58 Speaker 1 I don't. I don't need to. Yeah, there's been what, 5-6? 1:10:03 Speaker 2 Maybe 7 or 8 I think at this point. 1:10:05 Speaker 1 Well, there's been seven of eight issues. 1:10:06 Speaker 2 It's been going for about a year and I think they're released bimonthly and as we should talk about this, once every two months. So that's why I think they're released bimonthly. Imagine waiting two months for a fucking paper thin because that's what it'll be like all comics are these days. 1:10:24 They've always been, but they're waiting two months to pay. Like however much a comic goes for. Like probably like a tenner or a bit less than a tenner won't. 1:10:33 Speaker 1 Be that much be if you quit it but like. 1:10:36 Speaker 2 5 LB odd maybe? 1:10:38 Speaker 1 Maybe. 1:10:39 Speaker 2 But then just to be done with it in like 20 minutes if. 1:10:41 Speaker 1 Less than that, yeah. Yeah, but. 1:10:44 Speaker 2 I meant to go. 1:10:47 Speaker 1 Absolute Batman is just. 1:10:49 Speaker 2 Absolute. 1:10:49 Speaker 1 Shit, each issue is just a series of edgelord concepts. It is it. Don't go anywhere. There's no story to it, is there? No, it's just a bunch of shite ideas that are cobbled together, inked and coloured. And then people are fucking buying it. 1:11:05 Speaker 2 They love it. 1:11:06 Speaker 1 Honestly makes me really fucking angry. 1:11:09 Speaker 2 How long is it going to go unfollow? Like, is anything going to run with this series like indefinitely or is it going to come to an end? Because it's like the absolute. OK, so the absolute universe was created by Dark Side apparently, and I don't know why. You just created a new universe and it's the absolute universe. 1:11:26 And this is like his visions of what he thought the DC universe was. So the thing. 1:11:32 Speaker 1 He's been. 1:11:34 Speaker 2 He's been. I know he has. But in Dark Side's mind, this is how he sees Batman. In Dark Side's mind, this is how he thinks the Joker is. Maybe that's a man who never laughs. Maybe that. Maybe that's the man who staples babies to his body. His body. I don't. 1:11:49 I don't fucking know. All I know is that Dark Side had a hand in creating the absolute universe. I don't know if it's going to be a thing that's going to end. 1:11:57 Speaker 1 Does he, does he not always have a hand in creating the universe? 1:11:59 Speaker 2 I don't know. He's a, he's a, he's a character that lives outside of a multiverse. It makes it makes no sense. If he if he ever kills one member, one Justice League team, there'll be another one. And if a Justice League came, why don't all the 52 of the different Justice Leagues team up and take out the one dark side, All of the different universes they can all get on a cosmic treadmill and go over. 1:12:24 Speaker 1 Yeah, true, but. 1:12:25 Speaker 2 And they've all got one. 1:12:26 Speaker 1 They're not, they're not going to team up with Earth twos because that's the syndicate. That's the that's the bad guy, you know? 1:12:33 Speaker 2 Whichever one they're laughing. Batman's from another dumb edge Lord concept. Yeah, just just you know what? 1:12:40 Speaker 1 But genuinely far more preferable. 1:12:46 Speaker 2 Look, This is why I think I prefer Batman TV shows and Batman films to Batman comics these days. It's why I've not read a Batman comic in years. Because a Batman film and a Batman comic will be about a detective doing detective work and fighting something normal, you know? 1:13:03 And I'm fine with Batman having villains like Killer Croc or Clayface or something that a little bit more fantastical. Well, the crime work, there's always going to be something like crime family. There's going to be the Moronis or the Falcone is doing some shit. There's going to be drugs on the street. There's going to be like pimps and rapists and stuff and Batman trying to solve a crime. 1:13:22 Give me the world's greatest detective. Don't have Batman fighting your God. Don't have Batman, IE whatever you're going to do, team up with Superman at some point anyway. But as soon as you start introducing Batman to like over matter humans, it all just falls apart. And and as soon as you. 1:13:39 I think what makes Batman great in the Justice League is the fact that Batman's still a person. I think the Justice League cartoon did it really well, like his characterization of him because you had the 90s TV series to run off. Yeah. And then they fit him in with his world of superheroes and Justice League and trying to fit in with the team really well. 1:13:59 Like, he'd be all like, hey, could someone pick me up? You know, I'm falling to my death because I don't fly. That'd be great keeping his calm throughout or Green Lantern being all like, so do you like turn into a bar or you just what do you do? 1:14:15 And he's like, I'm just a guy, mate, just a dude. Or the fact that none of the Justice League may be Superman, but most of the Justice League don't know that is Bruce Wayne. You know what I mean? There's ways to do it where you can have a grounded Batman interacting with these people and then it's interesting. 1:14:33 But when it's not a grounded Batman and he's just a God like everybody else, it's basically, it's boring. The humanness is gone, you know? And absolute Batman, he's absolutely not a human character because absolute Batman's the size of like modern Bane, comic book Bane.

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1:14:49 And then absolute Bane is the size of a fucking building. And as the people on Tic Tac keep telling me, he's not even on Venom and he's this big insane. What if he is? How's Batman going to defeat Christian? 1:15:04 Christian He's. 1:15:08 Speaker 1 Going to do it the same way he always does it either that. 1:15:13 Speaker 2 Or what he's going to do. He's going to stand in front of a big electric pylon and then get out of the way of the last session. A million ways to take down Bain. If you're agile enough. Stop it. Absolute stop it. Have you ever played a Batman game? 1:15:30 Have you ever played a Spider Man game versus Rhino fight? I think since the PS1 all the way up to the PS5, Spider Man versus Rhino has gone the exact same way. Get out of the way the last second Webb and punch him when he's disorientated. 1:15:52 Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. You know, I absolutely admire Spider Man Games have gone through like a load of developers, and Rhino's been in a lot of Spider Man games. No one's ever gone. Let's do something different. 1:16:09 Speaker 1 Yeah. 1:16:10 Speaker 2 Maybe spider man PS4 when they fought rhino was in PS4. Was it PS 51? 1:16:14 Speaker 1 PS5 S. 1:16:15 Speaker 2 Spider Man 2, yeah, he did have someone with him. No, no, it was PS4 one. Vulture was is Rhino and Vulture at the same time? Because that's the one with the Sinister 6 in it. 1:16:25 Speaker 1 Was it in the Miles Morales game? Was it? Was it the opening fight to the Miles game? 1:16:29 Speaker 2 Rhino was in Spider Man PS4 and you did the fight with him and Vulture at the same time. But you could just ignore Vulture and do Rhino And at the beginning of Miles Morales or at the beginning? Yeah, at the beginning of Miles Morales, Rhino had escaped. So it already you fought in Spider Man 4? 1:16:44 Speaker 1 That's what was playing in my mind when you when you were saying it, because you lied him, don't you? 1:16:49 Speaker 2 Yeah, that's the only time they've ever done something different without fight. It's more of a cuts in and do the QT ES at the right time take a prime out the way from his thing. But the actual fight with him was done in the spider man game Yeah, because it was Christmas time when it you're going through the mall at Christmas. 1:17:05 Yeah, it's Peter Parker who fights him in spider man PS4 and it is just a whole. You can kind of like lead him under the some shipping containers and web them down on his Z similar but different or different but the same. So yeah, anything else?

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1:17:23 Films, comics, games. 1:17:27 Speaker 1 No, I think we've gone on. 1:17:28 Speaker 2 Shaggy's asking if he wants to drink tonight. 1:17:30 Speaker 1 A long string of tangents. 1:17:32 Speaker 2 We can drink. Have you got a drink for Shaggy? Oh man, if we're gonna nip out and get some more, actually. 1:17:41 Speaker 1 I'm not. 1:17:42 Speaker 2 Thought to work tomorrow, after that I'm on. Oh I'm on like a nine and a half hour shift which should be illegal on Sundays. I think anything over 5 hours on a Sunday should be illegal. Genuinely it's insane. No one needs to work normal hour weeks on a fucking Sunday. 1:17:59 But yeah but you close early, who cares? I'm working more than I would on a normal work day. Insane. And who I'm closing with at the end of the day it's just children. It's just children and one of them is leaving. Like they're handed in their notice tomorrow. No, not tomorrow. They're handing their notice on Monday and I'm on like the close of this person. 1:18:17 So I know for what? I'm not going to get anything out of this employee. They're just why? Why would I? They're just going to Dick about and do their own thing, you know what I mean? I'm like, no matter what I say, it doesn't matter because they're handing in their notice the day after. So fuck that person. Whatever. 1:18:34 Just just ride it to the bitter end. Besides, it'll be a long day tomorrow. Yeah, fantastic folks coming out in a week, I think. Yes, I'm looking forward to it. I'm generally looking forward to it. 1:18:51 Take me to Superman. I generally am a Superman fan. I generally am a Fantastic Four fan. It's just that over the recent years we've never had a good Fantastic Four film, but I've enjoyed every iteration of the Fantastic Four animated series we've ever got. 1:19:07 I like the 90s show. I like the weird show, but they did in the 2000s. If you ever saw it, I'd like a weird anime star to it, which you can't find anywhere. And I don't even know. I just, I searched for it and I'm like, where is it? What is it? And like the only run for like a season or two seasons. Never like really crossed over with any other Marvel properties or anything. 1:19:24 I'm like, that was a really good show. I like a couple of protester for comics, same with Superman. But it's just in recent years in the media, it's like we've never got good properties about them. Call me what you will, but I just prefer absorbing my comic book things in the form of film these days because it's easier I guess. 1:19:43 Speaker 1 Yeah, it is. Yeah. 1:19:44 Speaker 2 And I'm like, yeah, sure, cool. Although I did recently read All Star Superman, which was heavily the inspiration for the Superman. Really fucking good. You know, I'm like, yeah, cool. James Gunn nailed it. So no, I'm very like, I think Fantastic Fours are one of the one things I'm more hyped about than any other Marvel film. 1:20:01 But I think that's because I've always been a fan of like Silver Surfer and Galactus and that story. So I'm interested into where that's going because I was very excited for Fantastic Four two, Rise of the Silver Surfer and I hated that. It was like Power MV Superman. I was generally hyped for that film. 1:20:18 I saw the trailers, I saw the like homages to The Dark Knight Rise or Dark Knight Returns or whatever, the comic and stuff. I'm like, oh, there's a lightning bull in the background, there's Superman, there's Batman silhouette or whatever. Oh, they're doing. They're doing all that stuff now. When I watched it, I was like, they're doing too much. 1:20:33 What are they doing? Why are they doing all of this? No, no, this is awful. Who cares if Superman's got the same mother's name? This is dumb. This is awful. Oh, you're putting fucking thingy in here already? 1:20:49 What's his face? Brainiac. Not Brainiac. dot. Fuck Doomsday. Putting Doomsday in here already. Doomsday is in this. Doomsday is a clone of Zod. Don't worry. That yeah. Weird. 1:21:05 It's like I generally think the no the Ultraman or whatever who was in this Superman film that we just saw, You know, when he falls into that black hole or wherever, because they played up many, many times that this clone like like sort of said, oh, just like a clone. 1:21:20 I think it's going to be even thicker than you, Superman. He's going to be even Dumber than you. He's Dumber than you. I've got to give him. I've got to give him battleship commands because he's like kind of dumb and stupid. I generally think they've set him up to be bizarro. Maybe. I think that's what they'll do and I think it'll make sense if they do do it that way. 1:21:39 I. 1:21:39 Speaker 1 Don't. I don't think it fits. I think that, I don't know. I think James Gunn wouldn't do that. He just put Bizarro in. If he if he if he was going to do a Bizarro Superman fight, he would just have Bizarro. 1:21:53 Speaker 2 True. Do you know what? Maybe I don't know In in a recent interview, he was talking about Matt Reeves, his script from Batman, which is a very weird thing at the moment because it's obviously you've got Robert Pattinson's Batman. There's still a promise of a second Batman, which has to be made because it's under contract. 1:22:10 It is going to be made. But then there's this whole other universe going off on the same thing. James Gunn's adamant that Robert Pattinson's Batman's not going to not in the same universe. And that's fine. Yeah. Keep it separate. Yeah. I watched the Penguin TV series really good. It was just more Penguin just doing it. That so perfect. 1:22:27 He's adamant, but he says so. Matt Reeves is turning to the he's turning the script for Superman for Batman 2. James said it's really good. It's still needs a little bit of work, but it's really good. But before that he said, look, Matt Reeves, if you put Batman in that script, I'll green light it straight away. 1:22:42 I got a foreign know that James comes into his wacky comic book side. He does weird characters. He likes putting bits of everyone in there. There's no way a Batmite would work in a Matt Reeves Robert Patterson Batman. 1:23:00 Like the idea of just him being there in this absolute serious because they've called it the crime saga. Oh my God. You know, I think there's going to be another Penguin TV series and like another spin off TV series from that, but I like Robert Patterson's Batman. 1:23:17 It was really good films. One of my favorite Batman films. 1:23:19 Speaker 1 Yeah, it is really good. It's. 1:23:20 Speaker 2 So fucking good. And at the same time, I'm sad that that maybe you'll get a trilogy out of it, but I'm also sad that that has to come to an end so we can get this new Batman. Yeah, in this world which is set up. And it might be a more comic booky Batman because it'd be James Gunn's universe. 1:23:36 So, but it might be a more grey suit, underpant Batman, which I'm fine with, but it did, like I said, there's a fine line. Like I like my Batman. Some of the comics are absolutely dog shit, which is what I prefer. The films where he's just doing detective stuff, having this guy interact with Superman. I don't know if I want to see a World's Finest situation on the screen. 1:23:53 It's coming. I'm pretty sure it's going to be better than Batman V Superman because yeah, yeah, yeah. As soon as I don't like, as soon as Ben Affleck's Batman saw Superman was all like, I'm going to murder this guy. And then Alfred's like, you don't kill people though. That's your one thing that you don't do is like, yeah, but this guy's, this guy's a God. 1:24:10 This guy could kill us all. If there's a 1% chance that he could kill us all, I'm going to kill him. That's not Batman at all. That's completely not something Batman would do. And then when he learns like that, he's got a mother with the same name, he's like, I guess you're more human than I thought. 1:24:31 Speaker 1 He said it like none of his roads gallery has any chance of killing him or people that he loves. 1:24:37 Speaker 2 No, it's because he hates Superman because he has a chance of killing everybody on the planet. I joke. I couldn't do that. 1:24:44 Speaker 1 No, I think he could. 1:24:46 Speaker 2 Yeah, probably. 1:24:50 Speaker 1 Just, I don't know, draw like a big joker :) on a nuke or something. Do you know what I mean? 1:24:57 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, don't kill him. I mean canonically in in Zack Snyders world Robin died Batman Robin died from the hands of Joker and Harley Quinn. That's established also canonically in that world. The future which is what's annoying is like oh fucking the Snyder cult people will be all like oh fucking Jarrell giving Superman an evil message to rule an enslave over these people. 1:25:20 Meanwhile, canonically the Snyder version of Superman, there's flash forwards to the future, he teams up with Dark side, Henry Kabil's bat Superman teams up with dark side to help destroy the world because he loves making Superman evil. And a lot of people in media love making Superman evil because they think the only way you can be interested is making bad. 1:25:41 But that is so overdone at this point. I'm sick of seeing a bad Superman without it in the Injustice games, without it in a lot of comics. And This is why it was so, This is why I really like Captain America. It was so refreshing to see Captain America because he's the schoolboy scout character, isn't he? 1:25:56 He's sort of like he holds the same values. I think it's about doing what's right and just, it doesn't matter. Like like when in the film and Superman's like, oh, I didn't think about going into this country to, I wasn't thinking about government regulations and stuff. I was just trying to save people and stop a war.

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1:26:12 And I did do that. That's what matters. I don't give a shit what America tells me. I don't give a shit what this country or that country tells me today. Which I think is a very Captain America thing anyway. Yeah, ironically, his name is Captain America, but he hates the government because they have agendas, which is what Civil War was about. 1:26:30 Again, Civil War in the film was better than Civil War in the comic, just did it better. It wasn't over convoluted and it wasn't insane. 1:26:38 Speaker 1 I really liked comic Civil War. 1:26:40 Speaker 2 It was good. It was very long ago. It was like, I think. 1:26:43 Speaker 1 It was that long. I mean, it was like any other Marvel big event, like Fear Itself or fucking do you know what I mean, which spans every comic because it's like a world event. It is. Yeah, it was. It wasn't any longer than Secret Invasion sale or. 1:26:58 Speaker 2 What was the What was the main difference? What was the main fall night between the two Avengers teams in Civil War Comic? 1:27:06 Speaker 1 It was the. 1:27:08 Speaker 2 Obviously Tony Stark was being a prick. 1:27:11 Speaker 1 The whole thing about it was I think it was still called the Sokovia Accords in the comic. 1:27:18 Speaker 2 That's a made-up place, you said. DC, Marvel don't make up places. 1:27:21 Speaker 1 They make up very few places, whereas no, no, my my point to you is that any notable place is a made-up place. 1:27:30 Speaker 2 Yeah, but Gotham, a metropolis, still exist in America. 1:27:33 Speaker 1 Do they exist on Earth? Can I go to Gotham? No. Can I go to New York, where most of the Marvel Universe lives? Yes. 1:27:45 Speaker 2 I do think right, canonically in DC there is a New York City and there is an America and in England. But when they make up places like Dirk Becker, Stan, Oh no, I don't know what I'm vague Middle East foreign country was going to be called. 1:28:03 Speaker 1 Oh my Lord, I I would think that Marvel make up a country to avoid any sort of backlash from that country, which is really the wheel. 1:28:14 Speaker 2 You, you, you are absolutely correct. Yeah, 100% correct. Yeah. Yeah, I got no rebuttal. Stan Lee. 1:28:22 Speaker 1 Himself, when he was writing the Fantastic Four, said something along the lines of I put him in New York because I know about New York. I didn't want to make up some bullshit place like Gotham or Metropolis does that. That's what he said. 1:28:36 Speaker 2 That makes sense. It's. 1:28:38 Speaker 1 Some nonsense shit that no one can relate to. I'm going to base it somewhere that I I know. So if anyone does come to New York, they can be like, oh shit, I've seen that in the comic. Oh fuck. That's the Baxter Building. What you can see on the page right there. 1:28:55 It's just a relatable thing. But the whole Civil war in the comics was it was the Sokovia cause the government was trying to put a regulation on all superhuman beings, whether it's The Avengers or the X-Men or what. 1:29:09 Speaker 2 No, I think it's insane that Civil War wasn't an Avengers film and it was just a Captain America film. Yeah, that that could have been an Avengers film. And it it probably should have been an Avengers film, to be fair. But because it's Captain America film, we have to start with Captain America, and we don't have to. But it's insane if you watch that film and you think fucking Iron Man was right. 1:29:28 And he's thinking, yeah, let's let the government tell us what to do. 1:29:33 Speaker 1 I can't remember movie Civil War as much, but in the comics I know that one of the main things Captain Merkel was like, no, we shouldn't sign this is this is unlawful is the fact that once the government controls superhumans, the government can then put superhumans in the military and send them over to other countries as an invading force and essentially commit ethnic cleansing. 1:29:59 There's a. 1:30:00 Speaker 2 Genocide. There is a line, there is a throwaway line in the film, which kind of hints to that but doesn't necessarily say that. But it's like Captain America says this is a fear that we could, that they could do that. Yeah. And Tony Stark's like, Nah, they wouldn't, but they don't. And, and and Captain America's like, yeah, yeah, they would. 1:30:22 Did you serve in the military, Tony? Did you, Did you get told what to do without thinking about anything and you just did it blindly? Because I did. And it was bullshit. Oh, by the way, Monkey killed your mom. 1:30:39 Speaker 1 FYI loser, my best friend murdered your. 1:30:46 Speaker 2 How long have you known about this? I've always known fucking everybody. Not Hawk. 1:30:50 Speaker 1 I know as soon as I came out the ice, Nick Fury said. Guess what do? 1:30:55 Speaker 2 You know Anthony Stark, that guy you're in the military with? Do you know his son? His son's parents were murdered by your best mate. Anyway, here's your shield. Kept it warm. Fire thought before you did that's that's that's why that bit works. 1:31:11 Speaker 1 Oh my God yeah, along with the whole CV means and a government contractors everyone had to register and he had to be the real names were no in the public domain. 1:31:23 Speaker 2 That's why Spider Man unmasked himself, because he was on. Yeah. I just don't mind the world that Spider Man was on Team Stark. I just feel that's not very Peter Parker, even in the comics and in the films. I kind of get in the films because he's kind of groomed to be on team and he's still groomed by Stark even though he's dead. 1:31:39 I just feel like Peter Parker would more align with Caps goals than Iron Man's goals. But then Iron Man was pain and he was giving him money. He's giving him those high tech suits. 1:31:50 Speaker 1 Well, I think, I think the whole thing about it was, is the Peter Packer knew that he was going to essentially be an outlaw if he didn't sign it. And he made the deal with Tony Stark. The listen, everyone's going to know my name and my family's name and my friends names if I'd sign this. 1:32:09 Speaker 2 So I don't need doc or marry my aunt again so. 1:32:14 Speaker 1 So cut me a deal. Let my aunt May live in Avengers Towers or whatever the fuck it's called. And yeah, fuck it, I like myself, but you have to make sure that my family is protected. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. 1:32:30 As he's like, I don't know, counting money or punching an orphan or whatever shy thing that Tony Stark does. 1:32:38 Speaker 2 As he's crushing a fucking 40 oz bottle of cider. 1:32:43 Speaker 1 My God. But yeah, Peter Parker, it didn't, it didn't sit well with him in the comics. And he was like, no, this is bullshit. I'm I'm not doing this anymore. But because he got given this brand new Iron Spider scene. 1:32:57 Speaker 2 He was all right. Yeah. It's all right though. 1:33:00 Speaker 1 Before he got the chance to take it off, I think. I think Tony Sahd just locked his suit and then kept him prisoner for a bit. Yeah, she's nonsense and it's a good guy, Tony Stark. 1:33:11 Speaker 2 Right. Yeah. 1:33:12 Speaker 1 Abducted this man. 1:33:14 Speaker 2 This is perfect because we already established right the very start of this podcast episode. Tony Stark a bad guy and he always has been. Thank God he's dead in the MC. 1:33:26 Speaker 1 Yeah, which is why a bit further on down continuity think. 1:33:31 Speaker 2 About the MCU, how many problems would not exist if Tony Stark just didn't pursue being Iron Man and trying to save the world? We wouldn't have Vulture. We wouldn't have had Mysterio. We wouldn't have had Ultron, obviously. 1:33:47 Speaker 1 Well, the movie Tony Stark, yeah, right. Yeah. I mean, comic book Tony Stark didn't do all that shit. He was just an alcoholic. 1:33:56 Speaker 2 He always says, hey, Godzilla's attacking, let me make him a big suit of armour. Why, Tony, why would you do that? Just to see if I can. I cook it just to see if I can. 1:34:11 Speaker 1 I just think it'd really. 1:34:13 Speaker 2 I'm testing myself, obviously. Obviously he's never going to work. How would I even get the tail part on? Don't be gaffed. 1:34:18 Speaker 1 He's like quiet Godzilla. Let me put this on here. 1:34:22 Speaker 2 He's fitting his reports regardless. Shut up, banner. Oh my God, I can see you putting a giant Iron Man helmet on that Godzilla right right now look. 1:34:39 Speaker 1 My God. 1:34:40 Speaker 2 I've got on good authority that Godzilla's not going to go crazy and attack the city in this Iron Man armor. It'll be fine. I just want to see if I can do it. I'm just testing myself. It's just a quest for intelligence. You understand that? You're a professor of science. 1:34:58 Yeah. You know. 1:34:59 Speaker 1 India movie when he's like is it No way home the one the multiverse. 1:35:05 Speaker 2 Yeah, not far from No. Yeah, no way home. 1:35:08 Speaker 1 At the end of the movie when he's like, all right daughter Strange, let's just clean up this mess. Make everyone go away. Make people forget that I am Spider Man. 1:35:17 Speaker 2 Yeah, that happened in the books, right? Yeah. 1:35:19 Speaker 1 But it happened in the books because he hated himself in Civil war. 1:35:23 Speaker 2 Yeah, you couldn't really have Spider Man himself in Civil War in the film, because that was the film he introduced himself in. So I I get why they changed it that way, Yeah. 1:35:32 Speaker 1 Yeah, but the caveat in the comic was I can do it here, but it's a one time thing and if you tell anyone else again then people can just learn that you are Spider Man. 1:35:41 Speaker 2 Yeah. 1:35:42 Speaker 1 So he did get me first because he. 1:35:44 Speaker 2 He, he was. 1:35:45 Speaker 1 Saying that he was spider man. 1:35:46 Speaker 2 If he's in Mephisto, don't he? 1:35:49 Speaker 1 Yeah, I think. 1:35:50 Speaker 2 He made a deal with the devil. 1:35:51 Speaker 1 I think that's to put it back on into to turn it back on. I can't remember. It's called like Spider Island or something. What the storyline was. Yeah, it was where everyone got spider powers. He outed himself during that because he was like trying to value everyone to fight this, the spider people. 1:36:09 Speaker 2 That sounds very convoluted. 1:36:11 Speaker 1 Yeah, a bit. I mean it isn't so bad when you're reading it issue to issue or me just telling you're fragmented pieces of information. Yeah, yeah.

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1:36:21	Speaker 2 I don't know, I think I did watch them pretty good giving it fragmented pieces of.
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1:36:33	Speaker 2 Oh, dread. Oh yeah, 100% I've got out there.
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1:36:46	Speaker 2 This is funny because I know I've done bad, so that's just a long impressions I know I have.
1:36:52	Speaker 1 Oh my God, I think, I think your best impressions and you can do them for the listener now if you want them, but is.
1:36:58	Speaker 2 It going to be French, Stuart.
1:37:01	Speaker 1 French Stuart and Robert De Niro, Yeah, if you want to do them.
1:37:06	Speaker 2 Right. OK, I don't know because my face has changed so much. I've got a beard now. You won't be able to see it that way. I.
1:37:15	Speaker 1 Don't think it's in the lower half of your face. Right? So that was French Stewart.
1:37:24	Speaker 2 It's all in the face. There's no audible about.
1:37:30	Speaker 1 This Do you have a De Niro for us?
1:37:34	Speaker 2 Perfect, right?
1:37:37	Speaker 1 I'm not saying we'll end this episode. I've been jacked and I bent my Wookie.
1:37:45	Speaker 2 Oh fuck, I've been Mike Hun cheering. They're always I have not been prepared. Take any animal and make it big. People think it's an alien.

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Episode twenty three:
Andy Byron and Tony Stark

Episode twenty three: Andy Byron and Tony Stark

Episode twenty three:
Andy Byron and Tony Stark