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Episode sixteen:
The Conceptual Man

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Speaker 1 I always seen that the outskirt they looked like Vegas before it came along was just a fucking fat desert wasn't it? And then they built a city on top of it.

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Speaker 2 Yeah, I get. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 I think it's small city though, but I've seen the people that live there just live on like the outskirts of like the main big city, like they always have those little sharks and.

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Speaker 2 Sharks.

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Speaker 1 Sharks, sharks and sharks.

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Speaker 2 Little sharks.

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Speaker 1 It's like some people who couldn't get Oasis tickets and I know that they're playing in America. Some people go on. I'll just offer go to the American one. Then why don't go? They've already said they're only doing like an hour set. Imagine I'd be fuming.

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0:40 I'm glad I'm not an Oasis fan. Three days or many days he's doing it. He's touring UK and so. 0:47 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think yeah, I couldn't I. 0:50 Speaker 1 Couldn't everyone sold out? And then obviously, you know, straight away, ticketmasters like going over a grand firm just to watch. You're not going to hear anything new. I am. No, just that much money to hear a song that everybody fucking hates because, you know, Wonderwall, that's guys going to get played in it. 1:12 You know, I don't know. I don't know the difference between Nolan Lee and which one's the one that sings. Or do they both sing? 1:17 Speaker 2 They both sing. 1:20 Speaker 1 Which one plays the guitar? I. 1:21 Speaker 2 Think they can both play guitar to Roseville? It used to be all Liam singing, right? But then I think Liam started losing the ability to or something. 1:31 Speaker 1 Which one's the prick? No. Do you? 1:33 Speaker 2 Mean which one? 1:36 Speaker 1 No, which one's the one who's all like, fuck that guy, I don't know him. He's a Dick head. You know, like he just the most the one who did your own solo thing for a bit. And he's always confrontational. 1:47 Speaker 2 I think the one that you're referring to is Liam. 1:50 Speaker 1 Or maybe Liam's the Dick head. 1:52 Speaker 2 But I mean, yeah, yeah, I think I think Liam's more abrasive. Like, I think I think more people can stand noble than they can Liam, because, I mean, they both sort of perpetuate this fight that they carried on for the past 20 years only. 2:09 Do you know what? 2:10 Speaker 1 I mean, I just think it'd be really funny is if during one of the gigs or if everyone of the fucking gigs at some point one of the Gallaghers went. Anyway, here's wonder what I never understood the I'd say The Beatles level frenzy of what is Oasis? 2:29 You know, I say it's like I wouldn't say like the Oasis, the Oasis. I wouldn't say Oasis are as good as The Beatles or vice versa, to be fair, But I I can't think of a band other than The Beatles and Oasis, a British band, you know, pop band. 2:46 I'd say that I've had as much of A like a cult following because roundabout after the 90s, that's when all the big bands started to die off anyway, you know what I mean? Like the mainstream, everybody loves them and whatnot because rise of the Internet and people just putting the putting the music on anything, everywhere, every single band that you like. 3:07 Then it was hard. It was harder to carve a name for yourself. So yeah, you might have your fans, but your fan base are only like 300,000. You know why? It's not in the millions, which is still a lot. But and then and then the genre of music, you know, music just gets keeps getting reinvented and reinvented and people come in with their own sounds and their own styles. 3:27 So it's very easy for me to name a shit ton of bands to someone who I think are insanely popular and everybody should like, but they've never heard of them. I'm saying with me as well, they could, you know, whatever. Because like, does the Top 40 even exist anymore? 3:44 Like I know it does in terms of record sales, but like it used to be, everybody knew what it was and the Top 40 would be like a likable and enjoy by all, especially in the 80s and somewhat the 90s. 3:57 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 3:58 Speaker 1 But yeah, so like, I don't know. 4:00 Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a Brit pop in it, which was like a 90s thing, weren't it? Yeah. 4:06 Speaker 1 Even like in terms of like pop culture music, like the terms of, I think it became like a seventies 80s thing where like pop music is in to say popular music because that's what it stands for. Yeah. Was like in the 70s and the 80s, it was generally all like rock. 4:24 You know, you had your David Bowie, you had your, you know what, not your Pink Floyd, you know, Black Sabbath and it would and those, all those stuff today, I won't won't be considered mainstream, you know, like rock. 4:40 I don't think rock or metal or anything like that is considered mainstream anymore to the mass market anyway. So I think when Oasis came along in the 90s and like other other bands of like indie sort of bands of that ilk sounds very similar. Robbie Williams as well did this a lot where he'd say I'm a fucking rock'n'roll star. 4:58 We're rock'n'roll stars. This is rock'n'roll, but your music's not rock, you know, it's certainly not rock'n'roll because to me, rock'n'roll is more 50s swing Elvis thing. But like Noel, Liam Tain is a rock God. Same with Robin Williams saying I'm AI think he even did a song saying I'm a rock'n'roll star. 5:16 I don't know if that was Oasis or was that Oasis. I don't know. It might have been Robin Williams. I don't know either way. But they're all pricks. But like, yeah, because in in like British pop music in the 90s, it was all Oasis and the Verve and all the very similar sound impacts, I guess. 5:36 Yeah, Pope was, I enjoy Pope. But yeah, that's what rock rock music sort of became. That was the more popular genre of whatever that genre was. You can't call it indie music because it's fucking it's not independent at that point, is it? And then 2000s, it just sort of like went off the radar. 5:53 I think you can categorize 70s, eighties, 90s to a certain sound, especially in this country. I'm probably to an extent 60s and 50s as well. To be fair, you had a couple of like genre defined people. I could say Johnny Cash was a bit genre defined in the 60s. 6:10 I don't think what he was doing sounded a lot like 60s shit. Elvis to some extent, but he he kept within the lines I think to a lot of it as well, right. It was a bit faster, I guess, than what was played at the time, but I'd say Johnny Cash was always a bit more out there than Elvis, because Elvis. 6:26 It didn't really rub anyone's feathers the wrong way, did it? When Johnny Cash was all like, you know what, I'm going to do a gig in prison. That'll be a lot, a lot. Johnny Cash in the 70s and you know what? I'm going to cover 9 Inch Nails and no one was doing that in the 70s when Johnny Cash covered her. 6:47 I'd say 70s wise I really like Blue Öyster Cult. I think they didn't sound very 70s, I think they sounded very 90s and certain extent. My favorite beat. One of my favorite Beatles song in the 60s, Helter Skelter. Listen to Helter Skelter and tell me that doesn't sound like an early 90s or 80s track. 7:05 Speaker 2 Yeah, it is. Well, a lot of a lot of Beatles stuff was, it was evolving constantly, weren't it? The Beatles. 7:11 Speaker 1 Every album was different. 7:13 Speaker 2 And yeah, a lot of it seemed quite experimental and it was a lot of it was very ahead of its time. And I think you like with a helter Skelter. Bob Zombie did a a cover of that. 7:25 Speaker 1 And it sounded more of the ear in the you after you have to show me Rob Zombies cover of Helter Scouter. So I've heard for a time In Excess, I think they did a cover of Helter Scouter, but it was the new singer of In Excess after the old one died or the original 1 can't remember.

Reality TV 7:49 Or I could be getting confused with there was In Excess held a competition to replace the singer and it was like a reality TV show competition where it's like whoever wins the competition is going to be the new singer of In Excess. And there might have been a woman who did a cover of Helter Skelter in that competition. 8:08 And it when I watched it, like, it was like a kid or teenager or overall, I was, whenever that came out, her version of how a Skelter really stood out to me. I really liked it. I don't know if she won that competition or not. So I've just got the memory of some lady singing and I'll never be able to find that footage ever again or hear that version ever again. 8:28 But yeah, I don't even know what our initial point was. Music's. Music's all over. Music's all over the show now. And unlike what you like, I guess. Now, don't chastise people saying I know you like them or I've never heard of them. And don't expect people to have heard everything that you've heard of. 8:46 I have. I have this in work all the time. People come up to me and go, oh, did you see what Bobby Sharon did last night? Who the fuck's Bobby Sharon? Oh, do you not know Bobby Sharon? Who the fuck do you not know? Bobby Sharon? Darts player not see it? No, I don't follow darts. Yeah, but you know where he is, don't you? 9:03 No. Everybody fucking. I'm making that name up. I don't know if he's AI. Don't think Bobby Sharwater, it's a radio. I can't name a darts player off the top of my head. But to the point of saying, like, I think it's insane that darts is so popular to the point where a random person can just name drop a darts player and expect me to know who it is Because just because in their world, like, and I always think this, I would, I wouldn't, duh, go up to someone in work and go, oh, have you seen that trailer? 9:38 That Hideo Kojima part the other day? Everyone would look at me with blank faces and I know that they'd look at me with blank faces. 9:45 Speaker 2 You could say, how do you not annoy Hideo Kojima You. 9:47 Speaker 1 Don't know Hideo Kojima, one of the one of the most praised video game. I was going to say best then, but it's absolutely not one of the one of the most insane weird video game directors of all time. How do you not know? Do you not know who Neil Druckman is? 10:06 You mean you've never heard of Ken Levine, the the father of the bio show? You know, and even to that point, I, I wouldn't go up to a good girl, someone who says they're a gamer. And I want to expect them to know these people are like, yeah, we know them because we're in that world and we're aware of that world. 10:27 But you can't just expect everyone to know of them. And I think some people walk into any situation going, this is what I like and I just expect everybody knows. Stop it. Step outside your own bubble once in a while. It honestly really pisses me off and I have to have this conversation every day. 10:46 Work. Someone will drop some Sports Personality or did you leave? What? The fact that made that popped into my head is so shit. Did you see what Liam Big ribs did? 11:07 Did you see what Liam big Ribs did last night? What who Liam big ribs? Did you not see what he did last time? 11:17 Speaker 2 Everyone knows Liam Big ribs. Yeah. How do you not know Liam? Big ribs? 11:21 Speaker 1 Oh, how could he have treated? How could he have treated Cassandra Duvall ribs? How could he treated Cassandra that way? I'm like, what are you chatting about? Not what's Love Island. No. Should I? 11:37 Yeah. Why? You'd like it? That's something I said you'd like it. What, in the four or five years of you knowing me, it has LED you to believe I would like Love Island? No, I don't know what Liam Big Rips is up to. 11:53 I don't know. I was cheated on Cassandra Small Rips. 11:58 Viral Clip of Relationship Drama on Spanish Reality TV I will say, Speaking of reality TV show, I did see a clip of, I don't know if you've seen it, but it's some Spanish reality TV show. I think it's Spanish anyway. And it it the situation, from what I gathered, the premise is so it's a bunch of people in relationships all going in like living on an island together with a mansion and shit and stuff like that. 12:23 And there's a bunch of single people in there, like hot single people. But the people who've gone in relationships, they're like struggling and they're on the verge of the relationships ending. So I think the premise is they're going to this retreat to try and fix the relationship, but then they throw a bunch of hot single people in there as well, just like rustle some feathers or something. 12:45 Anyway, disgusting, right? Absolutely disgusting TV. But there's this clip of it and I feel sorry for the guy, him and his missus. Like, his missus is off somewhere in the house just about to get her ass clapped by some guy. 13:01 And then, do you know, I don't know what led to this situation because it's all like in a foreign language. So a bunch of the contestants, I guess, are lined up and they've got a TV screen on here and they're showing this guy the footage. Shit. They're showing this guy the footage. There's like, right, There's your wife. 13:18 There's this hot other dude. What can I'm getting undressed right now? Watch that make an absolute cook out of this guy. This guy falls to his knees. He starts like crying and screaming. All right, what are you going to do, mate? And he starts pelting it through the beach. 13:35 Oh. 13:35 Speaker 2 My God. 13:36 Speaker 1 He's running through the jungle because I don't know where this fucking mansion is and the way it's edited and the way it's cut together. The faster he's running, the harder he starts clapping his misses and and they are fucking. They are literally fucking on camera and it's showing it. And then he, like, he jumps over like a hedge. 13:54 And then there's this couple, like, naked in, like, some hot tub over here. And then he, like, storms in and like, he's like, yeah. They interrupts them, like, having sex. And then he comes outside. He falls to his knees and screams like, Charlton Heston. Oh. 14:06 Speaker 2 My God. 14:07 Speaker 1 Absolute cinema and then that's a viral clip of reality TV show, right? That went famous. I know it's Spanish or anything, but it went viral because you know, something like that would it's insane. And I mentioned that to people at work, the people who, no, I'm not seeing it. 14:22 Was it on ITVX? No, then I won't know about it. So it's like, what are you? Are you perpetually online or do you just watch shit on TV? Because I don't know anyone other than I guess the people at work who watch TV anymore as a sense like, I'm going to miss this show tonight. 14:39 When was the last time you had to get home because you wanted to watch your show? One, if that's your issue. Yeah. And if that's your issue today, if you're still watching daytime or terrestrial TV or whatever it is, if you're watching one of the big fives, just record it. 14:58 There's a button on every TV now. You just record, set a reminder for it. It's fine. People from work. So I've got to get home full of island. I'm like, if you don't record it, just set it up. Do you know it'll be on an hour later on, like, whatever? Because every channel's got its own service on it. 15:14 Watch it an hour later on ITV Plus or whatever it's called. Watch an hour later on iPlayer. Watch it an hour later on 4oD. Watch it an hour later on Five On Demand. You don't have to Why people schedule a life or on TV. I'll be like, oh, there's a new episode of what we're watching currently. 15:31 What's that fucking show called? I'm the guy who invents that drug. Well, you invents that drug. 15:36 Speaker 2 The school's like oh fucking I can't remember but I did watch the first episode of it myself. 15:41 Speaker 1 What do you think? There's five episodes of it in a moment now. Got an S in it somewhere. Some of the drugs. I really like it as well. Anyway, I might go in. 15:56 It's Monday, a new episode of that. Cool. I can't wait to watch that when I get in. Or maybe I'll watch it on Tuesday. It's there now. Yeah, I'll watch it when I want. It's fine. Like I've not seen last Monday's episode. No, I know that. I'll leave the watch it tomorrow and then if I want, right into the next episode straight away. 16:13 Boom, sort it. 16:15 Speaker 2 While you're looking at all, let me just say.
Ghouls Tools 16:28 Welcome to the Cube: Reflecting on Classic TV Show Endings Welcome to another episode of Chapter in the Cube. I am Jack. 16:32 Speaker 1 I'm not Jack, I'm looking someone up. 16:35 Speaker 2 That's how it works usually. 16:37 Speaker 1 But if you must know, I'm Mike common side effects. I was close with this was an S in it somewhere and I'm not wrong. No, you're not wrong. It's really good. So been getting into anything you watched anything. 16:52 Speaker 2 Start on Seinfeld. Finished. Finished. 16:56 Speaker 1 I'm not on about your beefs, what you've had with people. You know what, I saw him on the street and it just went apeshit. 17:04 Speaker 2 Jerry. 17:07 Speaker 1 This is a long time coming. Took off your coat where you stood. 17:13 Speaker 2 Yeah, finished home improvement, really enjoyed that did. 17:17 Speaker 1 Did the home get improved? I imagine that's what it was all building up to. 17:21 Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, the home got still be improved as I could say throughout the series, but yeah, really a good show. 17:27 Speaker 1 I'll ask you about home improvement and what I'll ask is, did the season finale land? Was it a satisfying season finale? Because a lot of these shows from the 90's, the season finales usually end with a clip show where they all reminiscing or they move out and then the last shot is like just an empty set where they used to live and then there's just one character going. 17:54 Turns the light switch off, credits roll, everyone goes oh fuck what a journey we've been on. Something to that vein or no? No, Tim Allen got shot. 18:04 Speaker 2 He got assassinated. He went up to your time. 18:09 Speaker 1 He was having dinner with his family. Some guys came in the room and you heard, you heard a gunshot, but it cut to black. 18:21 Speaker 2 The last episode they do move or they. 18:24 Speaker 1 Fucking knew it. Boy, they. 18:26 Speaker 2 Didn't do the cliche thing that that you just said. They were sort of on an eyed about moving to like. 18:31 Speaker 1 I thought you were going to say there were on an iron about doing a cliche ending. Because in Home Improvement, Tim Allen's got his own show, Tool Time. Yeah. Is it also the season finale of Tool Time as well? Does that sync up? Yeah. Or we just like to believe that. OK, so home improvement's finished, but tool times carrying on in the world of which they existed in the Tim Allen of us. 18:55 Speaker 2 In the last season, Binford, which is like the big corporate. 19:00 Speaker 1 Sounds like a fucking Sesame Street character with a bin and googly eyes on it. 19:06 Speaker 2 Sounds like Binford, which is the company that sponsors tools. 19:10 Speaker 1 I cannot see a trash can we googly eyes start calling that as an insult. I get a lot of Binford over here whenever I see a grubby person. Yeah. Is it an evil corporation? 19:23 Speaker 2 No. Well, they make tools with them and they're like a tool company. It's a manufacturing. 19:28 Speaker 1 They're called Binford, yeah. 19:30 Speaker 2 Why are you pulling your face? 19:31 Speaker 1 Or are they not called Toolford or something that it's on our set? What? 19:34 Speaker 2 It'd be like the last name of the person who owns Binford Tools. 19:39 Speaker 1 Quite trolling around or something. Tools for fools. 19:45 Speaker 2 That's goodbye. I'm a food tools for fools. 19:49 Speaker 1 If I didn't. 19:50 Speaker 2 Know the look at anything, I'm not fucking fools. 19:52 Speaker 1 I would, I'll be right. You know what I'm not that good at DIY. Maybe Tools for Fools is for me because I am a bit of a bit of a fool myself so. 20:02 Speaker 2 Oh my fucking Lord. Anyway, corporate trying to add things into a tool time they're trying to mess with the formula that's. 20:09 Speaker 1 I've got I've got one more tool name. If I say it, I'll just. 20:12 Speaker 2 Give you the tool name. 20:13 Speaker 1 Ghoulish tools. I know it doesn't rhyme but it popped in my head and if I didn't say it out loud I would have exploded. But ghoulish tools? What's wrong with that one? 20:24 Speaker 2 Why don't you say like tools for ghouls or oh, Oh no, because I'm. 20:28 Speaker 1 Not. 20:29 Speaker 2 Tools. Ghouls tools you like to like what? 20:32 Speaker 1 I feel like a fool, which is why I would have gone to fools for tools. I'm not going for tools for fool. No, I'm not going. I'm not going to ghoulie tools. Ghoulie Tools. 20:44 Speaker 2 So if it was ghouls tools, then they could be like, oh, look at these monster prices that we've hacked or. 20:50 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, I'd be so good. Yeah, I knew I was onto something with Ghoulies book. I'm an ideas man.
The Conceiver! 20:58 Defining Roles: The Conceiver and The Meat and Veg Man I don't know how it's all going to play out. I just know the good ideas and you. 21:02 Speaker 2 This boy, that's what you are. 21:05 Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm a I'm a man of concepts. I'm a conceptual being. 21:10 Speaker 2 Yeah, Jack, there's a thing, I thought. 21:12 Speaker 1 Work. Work with it. Make it good. Then you spend time fleshing it out, making it good. And then I take all the credit. It was my idea, which it was, and you just try. Oh my. 21:26 Speaker 2 Lord. 21:27 Speaker 1 You just put some meat in it I. 21:29 Speaker 2 Remember in a college? 21:32 Speaker 1 What has this been going on for years? I came up to you and I went, hey, imagine if babies could talk. And then you went off and created Rugrats. I got the credit for it created by Michael and no one else. 21:52 You know, go. I'm in college. What did I do? What did I steal? What did I take credit for? 21:57 Speaker 2 I can't remember if you said that you were. This is like very early in the morning. We'd only just got there. We'd all just metal. And you said, you know, I was thinking about something on the way. Yeah. 22:10 Speaker 1 Was it all grown up? Was it the spin up wish? I definitely came up with that idea for, I'll tell you that I was I was on my way to college. 22:26 Speaker 2 Right, the song. 22:30 Speaker 1 I can't, I can't remember if I was all went to college or all my way to school, but I remember walking to school and in my head I was thinking, Oh my God. And I must have been the only one who's ever thought about it because no one would ever think of this concept. It's just so far right though, I thought to myself, an independent thought. I thought, wouldn't it be cool if they didn't regret series? 22:45 But they were. And I did say the words. If they were all grown up, that would be a cool series. And then five years later, Nickelodeon, come and do it. I'm like, that's my idea that someone invading my brain space. Nickelodeon was in though. 23:00 I don't know where they did it, but they managed to get away with it. 23:05 Speaker 2 Anyway, you came to me with an idea like, and you said to me, you know that song? These boots are made for walking. Yeah, and you do? 23:14 Speaker 1 Something with that. 23:15 Speaker 2 And you said to me, well, what if it was? 23:18 Speaker 1 Christopher Walken that they were made for. 23:20 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 23:21 Speaker 1 Sounds on brand for me. 23:23 Speaker 2 Boots for Christopher Walken. 23:24 Speaker 1 Yeah, these boots are made for Walker. 23:25 Speaker 2 And you said, I don't know how to make this rhyme. I don't know how to get it into the flow, into what it was. And that took a second. And I said, I said to you, well, I didn't say it. I sung you. 23:38 Speaker 1 Sang it. 23:39 Speaker 2 These boots are made for Walker. Won't they be a treat? One of these days? These boots are gonna be on Walken's feet. 23:48 Speaker 1 Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. My idea, my song. Brilliant. 23:53 Speaker 2 Loyalties. 23:54 Speaker 1 Please, no, it's not. It's like, it's like today when I was talking to you when we were at the shops. So at work, I was for the listeners at work today, someone's accidentally ordered gloves, but I only describe them as gloves for helping cows give birth. 24:12 Like they they go up to your shoulder. And I said to Jack, I went, Jack, I was going to bring these gloves over, but I forgot with my initial idea of going, hey, Jack, is there anything you can do Funny with this? Can we can we get into something with this? 24:29 Me not thinking anything, just grabbed a load of shoulder length gloves. And then again, we'll figure something out later. I think that's the dynamic. I'll be the conceptual idea guy. You'll actually like. Be the meat and veg man. 24:46 What a shit superhero name. Being a conceptual man sounds so cool than being a meat and veg man. 24:54 Speaker 2 You sound real. 24:57 Speaker 1 But a meat and veg man does. 24:58 Speaker 2 You are. You are a conceptual man. You are the idea of a human being. 25:03 Speaker 1 Yeah, and you are a meat and veg. 25:05 Speaker 2 Man, Yeah, yeah, I am actually. Oh shit. 25:15 Speaker 1 Do you know? Right? I know, I know The image is all fruit and I can't remember the artist's name, but do you know that guy who just paints fruit? But they look like people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm seeing you as right now. Big plums for cheeks, tomatoes for cheeks. 25:32 Problem is with those, there's no meat in those images. It's just all veg. And that defeats the object. So what I'm gonna do, Jack, I'm gonna print off one of those pictures. One of those Vegemite. Yeah, I'm just gonna be like, take this, stick some minced beef in there or something, and that's you. 25:48 Oh, I have. 25:49 Speaker 2 To put the beef in. 25:51 Speaker 1 Oh yeah, I'm a conceptual guy. That was my concept. I just like, I conceive this podcast and you're doing all the, you're doing all the editing and all the uploading and all the things and all the stuff. 26:07 I conceived it. You just meat and vegged it. That's our dynamic. The conceiver. That should be my name from now on. Jesus Christ, that'll be my name. 26:22 Speaker 2 The. 26:22 Speaker 1 Conceiver you can be the meat and veg guy. I would. 26:28 Speaker 2 Prefer something cooler than that, like. 26:31 Speaker 1 I don't know how you could fit. 26:32 Speaker 2 The executioner because because I'm doing it all. 26:38 Speaker 1 Don't like that. That sounds too good. So you're horrible. I'm. 26:47 Speaker 2 Still the jealousy in your eyes. 26:49 Speaker 1 I'm such a horrible person. I'm only happy when I feel above my friends. I'm essentially, I'm essentially Woody in Toy Story 1. I think I'm up here, but I need to humble myself and get knocked out of a window or some shit. 27:08 I don't know. You need to get knocked out of a window. I was going. 27:10 Speaker 2 To say within this scenario, you're the person who pushes me out the window. 27:16 Speaker 1 I conceived the idea of you going out the window, and you executed going out the window. Fine, fine, we'll be the conceiver in the executioner. So anyway, what about the dua? No, I don't. 27:27 Speaker 2 Like that it is. 27:29 Speaker 1 Good. No, the Dua, Jack the Dua and Mike the conceiver. I'll just go with the idea. Like going back to reality TV shows, not that I watch them, but do you know there was Mike the situation.
The IDEA! 27:47 Crafting a New Batman Villain: The Compelling Idea I'd beat Mike. The idea just shit Batman villain. Oh shit, Batman. Who do you think it is this week? I don't know. He's left a note. What was his note? Something about a start up and concepts. 28:08 It kind of goes nowhere. This is the work of the idea, and then I'm leave it to you to figure out what sort of shenanigans and crimes the idea would get. What would he get into? Wait a minute, how would the idea for Batman in his stupid cartoonish ways? 28:31 How about this right, go on. The idea comes up with a like. 28:37 Speaker 2 An idea? 28:37 Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I was lost for the word. It comes up with a scenario, right? So like instead of but he traps Batman to get out of the scenario. Batman has to go through with the idea. Like, hey, would it be cool if I wrote a number one hit that was #1 every month of the year a Batman stuck in a perpetual hell where until that's complete, then he's free to go. 29:05 So unless he gets 12 number one hits in a year, it's done for. 29:12 Speaker 2 So Batman's stuck here for exactly 12 months. It's all you say. 29:15 Speaker 1 Yeah, for this, for this initial right scheme. Riddler's schemes don't last more than 5 fucking minutes. He's always, he's always solving them riddles super fast. Solving an idea can take a lifetime. I wouldn't this be a really good idea, Batman? What? 29:31 Imagine if he was like the world's number one golfer. She's gonna do it. You gotta do PGA Tour and. 29:37 Speaker 2 Everything. It's not up to any sort of obligations. 29:41 Speaker 1 No, no, no. But the idea is, is not the right your normal run-of-the-mill guy. He's got powers like do you know, you know Kilgrave in Marvel, like he tells you to do something and you have to act on it. The idea man will tell Batman or anybody an idea and they are mentally obliged for my, I don't know, brain waves. 30:03 Like what? What word am I looking for? I can't speak English. Psych. Psychopathic lamb. It's not telekinesis. 30:11 Speaker 2 Telepathic. 30:12 Speaker 1 Telepathic, that's the one. Thank you meat and veg. My execution anyway. What was that word again? 30:24 Speaker 2 Idea. 30:26 Speaker 1 Yeah, so telepathic, Claire. No telekinetic. No. What was it? Telepathic? Telepathically. They are compelled to act upon the idea until the idea is done. Oh, fuck. I've just created me seeks. Essentially. 30:41 That's what it is. And then he will not be right until that idea is, like, acted upon. I think that's a cool Batman problem. I'm on board with him now. I don't think he's fun and goofy anymore. He's quite serious. Hey, Batman is an idea. What if you wank till you're bled? Oh. 30:56 Speaker 2 My gosh. 30:57 Speaker 1 It's like, oh fuck, I've got to do it now. Yeah. And what if Robin watched? 31:01 Speaker 2 Well, this is the way that I would execute it. 31:03 Speaker 1 I think mine's pretty good. Is is he magic like me? No, no. What's going to compel Batman to do these ideas? 31:11 Speaker 2 Hey, this guy is still doing crimes because most of Batman's villains are this paranormal super force. 31:17 Speaker 1 True about Cliff is. 31:19 Speaker 2 So one out of what, 100? Because most of them are just normal guys that have put on a fucking costume and they're doing whatever. 31:27 Speaker 1 I don't know king clock can like see like 3 seconds into the future. 31:30 Speaker 2 Wow, wow we. 31:35 Speaker 1 He knows always moves. They did a Nicolas Cage film about him. It was called Next. Can you imagine if next? Have you seen Nicolas Cage's Next concept? As you can see 3 seconds in the future. That's the film and he uses that to like get out of situations and stuff like that. 31:52 Imagine if that was written as a king clock plot. Didn't like her. That fucking soned come out of my mouth. A king plot, like a king plot. A king clock subscripts that with the card. I can't remember what they're called. Like it was it was a Batman villain script, but it just turned into a Nick Cage film. 32:10 Anyway, it's not very bad. 32:11 Speaker 2 So like, burn in mind that most most Batman villains are just normal dudes. Yeah, put on a costume, they might have a skin condition or something. 32:21 Speaker 1 Caught up a bunch of faces so they look exactly like Bruce Wayne. Yeah. Oh God. Build more half of your cheek. Just looks like Bruce Wayne's more half of your cheek. I hope I find someone with Bruce Wayne's forehead. 32:33 Speaker 2 Oh shit minute. 32:40 Speaker 1 So fucking good. I'm jealous. So good that was. 32:45 Speaker 2 Good execution that strikes again. So this dude the. 32:53 Speaker 1 Conceptualist takes all the credit. 32:56 Speaker 2 So this dude. 32:57 Speaker 1 Who? That's another villain. The ID, not the bat. 33:01 Speaker 2 He's going, he's going around doing whatever crime he's doing, right? So Batman was like, right, I got to find this guy. So Batman finds whatever planet is Oh, he's made a base, a hangout or something, A cave system that when he said he's gonna be doing his climbs from. 33:23 Speaker 1 What what is it like I need to know, I say like joke has got an amusement park Penguins got the iceberg loans riddlers in a big question mark. What's the idea Live I? 33:33 Speaker 2 Don't know I I'm not going that far, but it could work out where he believes where the ideas basis. Yeah, right. So he's gonna go there and he's like there's nothing here because the idea never fall through with the idea. So he has like multiple places which are just shit that was never finished right. 33:55 But Batman's going. Where the fuck is this guy that's really keeps fine like falling like the string of clues, like he must be there then yeah, when he gets there, he's still not there because he's off doing a climb somewhere else where he did actually follow through. Now there's so many ideas constantly, but. 34:10 Speaker 1 You never know which one he's gonna fall through with. Yeah, that's good that cuz he could like and it makes sense, but it's more in line with Batman than me just throwing in I don't know what if what if Professor X was in Gotham City and made Batman wanker bunch because that was my essentially that's what I pitched. 34:34 Hey, what if Professor X made Batman sing to it? I think my ideas are very much invested in the my version of the idea is 60s Adam West version of a villain, right? 34:51 Your version of the idea is more 90s animated series, you know. 34:56 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 34:57 Speaker 1 So it's really, no, your idea is a lot better. You know, thank you for building on my concepts. Because you could do a bunch of things like there's a bomb threat at the hospital. I'm gonna rob a bank. 35:13 There's a, there's a bomb threat at the other hospital. I've got a gun to Commissioner Gordon's daughter's head, you know. But then there'll be like, hundreds of them that are all set in motion. 35:28 And like, the only one that he went through with is, I don't know, robbing a loaf of bread because he needed it and it was easy. So Batman's racking his bed by going which one is the real 1? Hey, it'll get well, burnt. I mean, there is like a 1% chance. 35:44 Say, if you did like 100 ideas every time you did a caper, there's only 1% chance that Batman's going to get it right. I'd be ragged. Well, then again, Batman, it'd have to be a Batman from like his solo adventures. Because Batman these days got like a fucking Bat family, like 50 of them. 36:01 Yeah. He'd be like, yeah, like one person be in every place. 36:05 Speaker 2 I sort of see it like a nightfall sort of situation where he's just getting more and more tired because he's not slept for a week or whatever and there's just there's still ideas coming and he's like, what the fuck I was supposed to do? 36:18 Speaker 1 This idea that we both came up with was this Batman Britain. I think it's a lot better than Kevin Smith's idea for a Batman villain who's just a guy who just says everything that he's doing. 36:29 Speaker 2 On a matter, Peter. 36:30 Speaker 1 Yeah, cooling concept and he falls into the line that everyone in Batman fights is mentally ill, you know. Yeah, this guy is just obliged to say everything that's happening. And I agree. I think in the comic book form it works really well because a lot of comics use on a matter payer anyway, you know, for the same bubbles and shit. 36:50 So in visualized on screen in the animated series that came out last year on Amazon. I don't know if you watched a lot of that. It's good. Should give it a watch on him. And I'm like, he's just silly and with no introduction about who he is and what he is. 37:05 So I'm like because first of all, who the fucks? Who the fucks this guy? He's like running down Batman. He's running, he's running after Batman and he's constantly going. I'm like that's just goofy. That's just silly, but it's still all right.
Wide Ninja 37:21 Speaker 2 I never finished that one that Kevin Smith did. I got like the first two volumes which is Cacophony and the Wide Ninjaya. 37:32 Speaker 1 Sounds like a fucking Chris Farley film from the 90's. The wide Ninja what? 37:41 Speaker 2 Was that Chris Farley movie called? 37:43 Speaker 1 Where was the ninja? I don't know. Fat ninja I think. 37:49 Speaker 2 Beverly Hills Ninja or something? Or was it like it was something like? 37:52 Speaker 1 That I think Beverly Hills ninja was right. Chris Farley ninja, Beverly Hills Ninja. White Ninja is a better name. Came out in like fucking 99. I was like, oh 1997 God, is that the last film he did? 38:06 Speaker 2 I don't think so. Like I think I think he was still getting parts in Sandler movies after that weren't. 38:13 Speaker 1 He he was because he was. 38:14 Analyzing the Shrek 5 Teaser and Franchise Evolution I know the last film he was meant to be in was a Shrek. Yeah. When did Shrek come out? 2000 and something, yeah. 38:22 Speaker 2 I can't remember exactly, but yeah, it was. It was the 2000s. 38:26 Speaker 1 Because there is an audio of Chris Farley doing it and that was his final film was Almost Heroes and Dirty Work came out in 1998, so a year after Hills Ninja. So towards the end of his life. Yeah. I've never seen it, no. 38:42 Speaker 2 No. 38:43 Speaker 1 I don't know if it was a good film to go out on or not. 38:45 Speaker 2 I just know of it to be honest. 38:47 Speaker 1 You know what it would have been? It would have been quite sad if he, I mean sad that he died anyway, but it would have been way sadder if he did. Shrap did it all and then the sequels, they just replaced him. Do you reckon people get angry if they replaced Chris Farley? Because I think in the 2000s, I don't think it was a household name like he was in the 80s and 90s. 39:04 Speaker 2 I think that if he was top billion in Shrek, I think. 39:08 Speaker 1 He would have made him more of a household. 39:09 Speaker 2 Name. Yeah, yeah. 39:11 Speaker 1 Right. And then you get all these people coming out of the woodwork. It's going up in a Chris Farley for fucking ages. Or could you argue that my Shrek man Mike Myers, a household name? He was already pretty popular with Austin Powers beforehand. 39:23 Speaker 2 Yeah, Austin Powers. 39:25 Speaker 1 I don't think Wayne's World made him a household name that was. 39:27 Speaker 2 More. I don't think so. I mean, perhaps. 39:30 Speaker 1 In that 90s. 39:32 Speaker 2 Perhaps not in England, but definitely. 39:34 Speaker 1 In Yeah, because the why fucking everyone was faffing about with fucking the Verve and Oasis and shitty whatever indie sounding music in America. It was all cool grunt shit at the same time, you know, flannel jackets tied around your waist, Long ripped stone washed T-shirts, stone washed jeans. 39:54 Not her in the world, long her fucking tape. Me though. To be a Seattle kid in the night is just me, my girl on a shotgun in the mouth. It's all I want. 40:06 Speaker 2 Yeah, just a woman to murder me and make it look like suicide. 40:13 Speaker 1 That's the dream, just to have a band member find me and start another band. With most of my band. That was really fucking strange, the fact that Dave Grohl's phone two of his band moves dead. 40:27 Speaker 2 Well, I don't know if he founded them both. 40:29 Speaker 1 I think that's the rumor that's. 40:31 Speaker 2 Not true. I don't think that you watching on both of the cops. That's true all.
Shrek 40:39 Speaker 1 Anyway, Speaking of Chris Farley, Mike Myers on Shrek, we got a Shrek 5 teaser. I think everyone's angry about nothing to be true. I think you might disagree with me. I get the sense that you're in agreement with anger a bit, I mean. 40:55 Speaker 2 I'm not, I'm not like. 40:56 Speaker 1 You know, I think, yeah, I think it's. 41:00 Speaker 2 Unnecessary that they have changed how everyone looks slightly, but there is still a change though. 41:07 Speaker 1 There is I I do think the animation quality has been updated, which is a given. It's like fucking 15 years since the last one and like nearly 20 years since the first one or something ridiculous like that. 41:19 Speaker 2 It's been 15 years since the last Shrek. Yeah. Was it actual? Yeah. 41:22 Speaker 1 And like 20 RJS since the first one. Shrek. I'm going to say it was like Shrek 4. Stratford came out in 2010. What were you know? 41:32 Speaker 2 In the cube the. 41:35 Speaker 1 Don't forget to divide the 8I. 41:37 Speaker 2 Have to find the cube root of. 41:39 Speaker 1 It no all right one. 41:40 Speaker 2 Thing about it is. 41:41 Speaker 1 Difficult outside the cube? What? What are they in? 41:44 Speaker 2 Oh, outside cube. 41:47 Speaker 1 Outside Cube time. 41:48 Speaker 2 OSC time, yeah. 41:51 Speaker 1 Not CT 20. 41:53 Speaker 2 25. 41:54 Speaker 1 Is that 15 years? 41:56 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 41:57 Speaker 1 Yeah, 15 years Shrek forever after and Shrek one came out in 2001. You know, so yeah, I feel like I know animation quality has changed. I do think I they do look different and it is off putting, but I think if you'd like made them look exactly they looked in like Shrek one to four people were like or not dead animation. 42:19 It still looks like shit. It looks like early 2000 shit. Oh. 42:22 Speaker 2 They couldn't look like. 42:24 Speaker 1 I have. I've seen some edits go in. 42:26 Speaker 2 Shrek did not look bad by any means. 42:29 Speaker 1 Did you watch it? Did you watch? 42:31 Speaker 2 It a model, did you? 42:32 Speaker 1 Watch Shrek forever after the final chapter. Did you watch it? And then I'm. 42:38 Speaker 2 Pretty sure. 42:39 Speaker 1 What's the plot there's? 42:41 Speaker 2 Some fairy tale things, bastardized, whatever. 42:45 Speaker 1 Bullshit. No, he never saw it. The last Shrek found me, so I was. 42:50 Speaker 2 Talking about the story. 42:52 Speaker 1 No, no I am right now because no, because you're saying you're saying Shrek 4 looked really good and I can tell you Shrek 4 looked shit and it was shit because I saw it and I saw Shrek 3 and it also was and look shit. I didn't look shit. 43:08 There's things that look worse but for the time it was fine. Go and prove to me that you watch Shrek 4 forever after the. Tell me what the? 43:16 Speaker 2 Fucking cinema stuffs or something. What do you want? I'm just. 43:18 Speaker 1 Trying to tell me a rundown of the synopsis hang. 43:21 Speaker 2 On I can't remember what happened in the fucking second one even there's the only one I can actually remember fully is the first shack. 43:28 Speaker 1 Because it's the only good one to be. 43:31 Speaker 2 I have seen them, can't remember them. I know that in one of them, Fiona's dad turns into a fucking frog. 43:36 Speaker 1 Yeah, the second one and. 43:38 Speaker 2 Then in the third one he dies. 43:40 Speaker 1 The dad. 43:40 Speaker 2 Yeah, the fog Dad dies. 43:43 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And Eric Carlo's in it as Merlin. Yeah. And Justin Timberlake's in it as King Arthur. Yeah. Rubbish, Rubbish film. I'm not making this up, by the way. That's true. I know you think I'm making. 43:55 Speaker 2 It up, I've seen it. 43:59 Speaker 1 So he tracked 4. He travels the multiverse. He. 44:02 Speaker 2 Isn't troll the multiverse at all? It's a Mumpelstiltskin. He's in trouble in the movie verse. 44:08 Speaker 1 He's remembering cuz he A wish he makes it's. 44:10 Speaker 2 Been hard that that's happened. 44:12 Speaker 1 He makes a deal, He makes a deal. 44:13 Speaker 2 Through the contract with old Von Paul Stilsken himself. 44:16 Speaker 1 He makes a deal with Shane fucking Dawson or whatever his name that is called. Shane Dawson looks like him. No, they just do a wonderful life. But we Shrek that's what it is in it and that whole film means nothing cuz at the end of the day you right. It starts off with a fucking birthday party and tracks like talk. 44:34 Why did I become a dad? Why did I marry this bitch? There's kids everywhere. There's donkey dragon hybrids everywhere. There's too many people in my life. I wish I lived the Lord. 44:45 Speaker 2 I'm an onion, that's what he says. 44:50 Speaker 1 I have more legs than I've ever had in my goddamn life. I did not want this. I wish none of this had ever happened. So he resets time, you know, and then he lives his life or what his life would be like if he was never born or something. And then it's like, Oh well, this is lonely and miserable. 45:08 Fucking hell. I better convince this woman that who's never met me that I love her or what not. And then everything just goes back and the film ends with the party at the beginning of the film. It's a nothing film that has no consequences on anything. Bullshit. 45:21 Speaker 2 Almost had consequences, but he. 45:26 Speaker 1 I hate Shrek four, I hate Shrek 4, so I'm. 45:29 Speaker 2 Almost that close of quiz, but he resolved it before it even happened. That's the part of the movie. 45:35 Speaker 1 Yeah, but the part, the part of. 45:37 Speaker 2 The movie, just like any other Shrek, is about true love in it. Yeah, it's between Shrek and Fiona I. 45:42 Speaker 1 Don't think Shrek 3 was about true. 45:43 Speaker 2 Love. I'm pretty sure it was. 45:44 Speaker 1 The right King Arthur. I don't think Fiona's even in straight 4. Shrek goes to England, leaves Fiona and the kids back home. How can we write Donkey children and Shrek children in this film? Let's not. Let's have Shrek go to England and convince fucking King Arthur that is the real king or something. 46:03 Speaker 2 So essentially is a spinoff. Didn't. 46:06 Speaker 1 It essentially it's essentially the Puss in Boots film. May as well be, I know I've always. 46:14 Speaker 2 Seen movies then but. 46:15 Speaker 1 I've only seen Shrek Three once and Shrek four once, and I'm so angry at Shrek four I've completely forgot everything about Shrek three. I know vaguely some stuff. I do think some of the skin textures look, it looks better in the sense that they look like they can animate more and I can see that the the lighting's better. 46:34 Like you can see some light shining through the skin and stuff. It's not just like a block texture or some shit like that, but at the same time, look at Toy Story one which came in like 994 versus Toy Story 4 or whatever one they're up to now. Did they do A5 or is that coming or something? 46:50 You look at Toy Story 4 and you're like, shit, they look like real fucking toys. Shit, those people look fucking for realistic. 46:57 Speaker 2 Shit. 47:00 Speaker 1 A moment that I had in, I think it was Toy Story 3, is it when all the toys are like thrown out to trash or something? They're all in a bin bag. I was like, that bin bag looks so fucking good. And when Rex's tails poking through it and the plastic stretches and things, I'm like, shit, that's so fucking good. 47:18 Yeah. But like, I don't know, animation. I think at some point, animated films, they were striving to be like after they got to a certain point where they had to make every animated film a little bit stylized. Because like the only reason Toy Story for Toy Story won't work, so is because they're toys and they all look different and they're kind of like simple. 47:37 And the fact that every single child in that film is just Andy's model, you know, just to get away from this one, you never see like the heads of any of the parents and stuff because whatever, it wouldn't look good, you know? Except for Sid. Sid was the only other child that you kind of saw, No? 47:51 Speaker 2 But Sid's sister? Sid's sister. 47:53 Speaker 1 Yeah, for a bit, I think. But you didn't see a lot of the human faces a lot, you know, unless it was Sid you didn't even see. I think you saw Sid more than Andy, I think. But either way, a lot of films, animated films, especially on the faffing about with CGI back in the day, you had to try and make the film stylized or give it a gimmick or something so you could get away with the things. 48:10 And then when technology caught up, the every film went for like photorealistic look, I guess. Or you had a bit of uncanny valley thing. You had Polar Express going on. You had basically every DreamWorks film looked the same as well. It was just like best way I can show it was like 3D cartoons, like nothing set anything apart. 48:29 And then we've got back to the point where films are trying to set themselves apart by doing different styles of animation. 48:35 Exploring Diverse Animation Styles and Shrek's Woke Storylines Like you've got Into the Spider verse, you've got whatever the new Ninja Turtles film was called, can't remember the name of it, but I really like that animation style. Puss in Boots, the new one went for a different sort of storyboard esque looking animation style. All these things work because they look different. 48:52 But I feel like because they've kind of gone back to that animation style, like good guys as well. DreamWorks film that was really good animation. Because you've gone back to like this animation style now, which is like sort of photorealistic but not. But yet we want to show how much we've improved. It looks. 49:08 It's just gone back to uncanny valley. Yeah. And there is human characters in in the world of Shrek. So I'm like, what are they going to look like? Are they just, you know, are they going to look like smooth plasticy people like they did in the early 2000s, or are they going to look like what people look like in, say, Toy Story 4 or something? I don't think that fits in quite well. 49:25 I don't agree with them making a Shrek five. I think they're making a Shrek 5 because they're just capital, like capitalizing on millennials and what is the generation before is the absolute Shrek of the Gen. Z. They XX. So they're the ones under us. I meant under us, younger than us, Gen. Z. 49:40 Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah. They absolutely love Shrek and we love Shrek as well because I mean, we were there for like in the mid 2000s and it was all Shrek is life, Shrek is love meme and shit like that. But I'm like the story of the first Shrek is to make fun of Disney. 49:56 Basically. That is the concept of what Shrek was. It was a film created to like, because DreamWorks started off as a couple of people who left Disney. They want to make their own thing and they really like heavily wanted to poke fun at the fairy tale tropes and what Disney were doing and really like go, you know what, fuck you, Disney. 50:14 We're going to do an animated film. It's going to be better than any of your films. And it's also going to like be humorous and funny and take the piss at you a little bit. Like I can't remember who was the head of the Disney at the time, but Lord Farquaad was based on him. 50:29 And the name Farquaad is like a very tongue in cheek way of saying calling him a foot quad and it's just like the whole Princess saving it thing. But yeah, he's a grub of a man, you know, he's not, he's not some handsome Prince guy and shit like that. So they just wanted to do that, I guess. And they poked fun at that. 50:44 And then Shrek 2 was poked in front of Hollywood and the way they make films and the way everything's glorified there, but it's actually a piece of shit. Hey, what if all the princesses were like celebrities and let's make the fun of Hollywood and stuff. And then I think Shrek three and four were just doing boring fairy tale shit, which is, which is probably why they're not good because they're not poking fun at anything in the real world and putting it into a fairy tale setting. 51:05 And then that falls apart when I think what they're going to do with Shrek 5 and what they do is Shrek five, I think they are going to put real world things in with like social media phones and shit like that. And when you start putting that shit into a fairy tale setting, I just think it comes across as like really cringy and awkward. 51:21 You know, like, I mean, I'm guessing the scene that we saw was just a teaser and it's not going to be in the film, but it's just like a this is what they get generally look like and just Shrek scrolling through magic mirror TikTok. It's kind of lame. 51:36 Not about it also. 51:38 Speaker 2 Not about. 51:39 Speaker 1 It everyone's angry about I, I initially said, where are the other kids in the trailer? You know, could you see one of his daughters? Where are the other kids in the trailer? Might maybe he had another kid since then. Maybe, you know, like since we saw them 15 years ago, they had the three kids. Maybe they've had more since then. 51:55 Maybe those three kids originally have moved out and gone to college or something and this is a different kid. I only say that because then it's either DreamWorks being stupid and not paying attention to their old films or there is a plan in place. But Shrek had three kids. 52:11 He had two boys and a little girl. You're assuming Sunday is playing little girl, right? Two boys had brown eyes. A little girl had blue eyes. Zan Daya's character in this trailer has brown eyes. So the internet's saying two things. 52:26 It's either Dreamwatch don't get a fuck and they've just ignored the fact that she originally had blue eyes. And then there's some people doing mental gymnastics going well. Actually, sometimes when you grow older your eyes cause can change. I don't think they give a shit about that in animation. I don't think anyone's thinking about that. 52:42 Or they're going to do an overly woke storyline and have one of the Suns transitioning and it's going to be about, it's going to be a trans story track. I'm like, OK, if you want to do that, that's cool, but I don't know if it'll work and I don't know if it'll be received as well because, you know. 53:01 Speaker 2 Yeah. 53:02 Speaker 1 I think if you want to do that in animation, I think that's all great. And if you want to do it with a big budget film, that's right. I think it's good. I think it's going to send like a really good message out there for the people that support that and the allies that do support that. And I think it's good to have that representation, especially in an animated film, a big one. But then at the same time, there's a risk of going, oh, you're saying trans people like Olga's I you know, you, there's a fine line. 53:22 There's a fine line. Like it's difficult, you know what I mean? You can't. How do you play it? But then at the same time you're going to get people go in. Well you're forcing it and it's pointless. I'm like, well, I suppose early days when you want certain people to get representation. Like having like 2 male gay characters kiss on TV back in the day was considered a big thing. 53:43 That's like and now 2 gay if 2 male characters or two female characters kiss in ATV show, now it's just nobody gives a shit. It's just whatever, they're a couple. They put it in back in the day for representation. It might have seemed false. Everyone may have been hobbled by it, but eventually it became normal, which is probably what it should be, you know? 54:00 But it's always going to feel like this, like in certain stages. But you know, trans characters and stuff have been in TV and the media since the fucking 80s before that as well. But like I said, it's not massively thing, but put it in an animated film that everyone's going to see. Yeah, it's pretty cool, but I can't imagine it going down that well considering the state of America right now and considering what they're trying to get rid of and stuff. 54:22 So maybe it's more important that they're doing that. Maybe it's less important that they're doing that. It might hurt the box office, but maybe they don't give a shit about the box office. Maybe they do want to just get a message out there. But again, that's written into it and I maybe just they got a right color wrong or it's a different child. 54:37 Speaker 2 All of these things are possible, yeah, realistically. 54:41 Speaker 1 It could be any one of them, but I I don't know what they're going with it. But would you prefer it if they did? The art style completely different, like Puss in Boots, The Last Wish?
Squash & Stretch 54:51 Because that's completely different from the last Shrek films. The art style isn't it? It's like a not watercolour, but it's like a storybooky sort of look to it. 54:59 Speaker 2 A little bit, yeah. 55:00 Speaker 1 Like, would you prefer if they did something like that with this film or do you think for Shrek they have to keep it more like? 55:07 Speaker 2 No, no, to be honest with you, because I think that the way that the Pussy Boots movies are animated, it it, it sort of shows. 55:13 Speaker 1 Only the last one, the first one was animated like the Shrek films. 55:16 Speaker 2 And yeah, yeah. 55:17 Speaker 1 Just same old same old path of course. Or any 3D animation in TV. Like if you watch Netflix's Jurassic World, the Cretaceous period. That's what all animated films look like back in the day. Just balloony looking people I guess. 55:34 Big eyes and smooth skin. 55:37 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In The Last Wish, it's sort of animated to show his speed and agility. So, you know, I like in cartoon animation and like the flip thing. And it was Oh yeah, yeah. And they like showed her like if you're looking at frame by frame, it's like the body warps stretch to. 55:54 Speaker 1 Make it stretch. They can't stretch frames. 55:56 Speaker 2 Stretch frames. Yeah, they use stretch frames to make animation appear smoother. The one it actually is. And that's sort of how it looks like they've done with pussy boots in The Last Wish, which absolutely would not work in a share community, would it? 56:11 Speaker 1 I think that's going back to stretch firms completely off tangent. I think it's a lost art and I think it's like some of the, you know, since animations got all digital and stuff and they can just make animation smooth as what they want or whatever. It's like, I think it just makes animation not as fun anymore. 56:27 You watch a modern Simpsons episode, you get none of those weird off frames where you see like the whole face warm. You know when Bart turns and his jaws still over here and he's there? Or like when Marge like turns in a hers, like does this big sweet like you pause? It looks ridiculous on those frames. 56:42 But no, you can't even pause anywhere because it's just still it. It's just stiff. There's no life to it. So I think just bring back traditional animation for everything. Yeah. And they say and this. 56:53 Speaker 2 Traditional. 56:54 Speaker 1 And they say it's quicker, right? 56:57 Speaker 2 Just to do it. 56:58 Speaker 1 They say it's quicker but back in the 90s like say Simpsons, it was still 24 episodes a season. They still managed to do that in a year and it was all hand drawn and stuff. They still do in 24 episodes a year, but it's digital. The time frames the same. I don't know how many years in advance they are like, I know, like they could be like up to like season fucking 50, you know, just ready to go get all those voice recordings in before they all fucking die. 57:23 I don't know if you've listened to a modern Simpsons episode, but Ma, she's, she's struggling. 57:27 Speaker 2 Not seeing. 57:27 Speaker 1 Anything she I I watched one off Just curious. I think a Halloween one like last year or just let's see what it was like. I thought I watched one Halloween 1 might be good. The voice actress playing Marge I'm like sure quit scare somebody else. 57:42 People are complaining probably but she does not sound good. People complain about everything. She, I don't know if she's had issues with her throat or something, but there was a musical number that I saw a clip of with Marge singing and I'm like, oh Marge was never the best singer anyway as I was like like croaky sort of voice but she sounds like fucking RFK not lying. 58:03 Speaker 2 Jesus Christ. 58:05 Speaker 1 I have to show you a clip later. 58:07 Speaker 2 Yeah, you will have to. 58:10 Speaker 1 I just felt bad listening to her. I was like, honey, quit babe, babe, quit The Simpsons. Why would they keep doing it at this point, do you reckon? Like for the love of the fans, because they're getting paid like fucking millions a season? 58:25 Yeah, I actually don't think like all The Simpsons Voice Caster household names other than Dan Caster now and Nancy Cartwright. And that's just because Homer and Bart are the the popular ones. Does Nancy Carter Wright also do Lisa or is that somebody else? No. 58:38 Speaker 2 Someone else. Someone else? 58:40 Speaker 1 'S You know what you can do. You know what you can akin The Simpsons cast to The Simpsons cast are like the first astronauts who landed on the moon. We all know Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, right? We all know Dan Castanel or Nancy Cartwright and the rest. 58:57 Speaker 2 Well. 58:57 Speaker 1 I I know of other Simpsons voice actors. 59:00 Speaker 2 One more I think. 59:01 Speaker 1 As the main family. No, that's what I mean. Like, I know of a few. I I know Tres Mcneil's a voice actress. She's in The Simpsons. I know Hank Zaria, he's in The Simpsons. I can name all the I can name voice actors in The Simpsons. 59:17 I can name quite a few. I just can't name The Simpsons family other than Doncaster and Nancy Cartwright. And apparently she didn't even voice Bart Simpson all the time. Sometimes Tres McNeil does it, you know, when Nancy's not available, I'm like, oh, OK, what's the fucking point then? Sure. 59:33 Billy West is in The Simpsons as well. That guy's in everything. 59:35 Speaker 2 Yeah, also done a few episodes. Oh yeah, there's what, like 1000 of them now? 59:41 Speaker 1 There must be more than 1000. I don't know. I don't. 59:44 Speaker 2 Know I'll be. 59:46 Speaker 1 Honest with you, Simpsons is the American one piece. You go, oh, I'm doing a Simpsons run. Fuck, are you looking at?
Perfect casting for Mike's mom 59:56 Mike's Pet Peeves and Millie Bobby Brown's Age-Defying Look You're looking at something good. 59:58 Speaker 2 Not really. 59:59 Speaker 1 Are you? Are you bored rubbing on your phone? 1:00:04 Speaker 2 I was looking at we were going to talk about something. 1:00:08 Speaker 1 Specific in this episode. Oh yeah. I mean, I think yeah, we're going to mention like little pet peeves. I don't know what a pet peeve about fucking Shrek four. I didn't like how they called it Shrek 4 forever after. Try to put that fucking in there. 1:00:24 Speaker 2 Don't fucking read riches man. So in gag science, Jesus. 1:00:30 Speaker 1 Christ, I'm not saying again it won't work because it's a visual gag, but imagine lying dead on the floor and just saying that the Fantastic Four aren't the type of people to go after St. thugs and criminals. Their villains are more cosmic multiverse. 1:00:48 They're always dealing with multiverse and shit. Like more often than not your average Fantastic Four scenario is unless it was set in the 60s. Even then in the 60s, since they introduced go out to self Surfer, every Fantastic four-star is about Reed Richards going into another reality or fighting some sort of cosmic entity, or is in space doing some bullshit. 1:01:10 Yeah. Or is about or is sun just change reality again. Yeah yeah. Fucking Franklin. Yeah, If people are clamoring for a good Fantastic Four film, get ready for more multiversal stories. 1:01:26 Yes. Did you see that picture of what Millie Bobby Brown looks like now? Yes, she looks genuinely for her. I thought she looked like a young Jennifer Coolidge. No way she's passing for a fucking 12 year old or whatever. 1:01:43 She's playing in Season 6. 1:01:44 Speaker 2 I was you sent it in like the group chat? Yeah, sent the picture and you said something to the effect of I look younger than that. 1:01:53 Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I do. 1:01:54 Speaker 2 I think you know what is there. 1:01:56 Speaker 1 Oh, no, it's obviously heavy makeup and what she's wearing and what she's gonna go. 1:01:59 Speaker 2 Yeah. 1:02:00 Speaker 1 You can make anyone like. Obviously I don't. 1:02:02 Speaker 2 Think she herself. 1:02:03 Speaker 1 What, any Stranger Things Season 5, whenever it comes out, they're gonna put her in baggy clothes. They're gonna, like, change her. They're gonna, you know. 1:02:10 Speaker 2 Take put her in makeup to make her not look. 1:02:13 Speaker 1 The fact is she could play my mom in a film she got. She's good actress. 1:02:19 Speaker 2 This is my concept. 1:02:22 Speaker 1 Are you telling me you don't think Millie Barbie Burns are good enough actress to play my mom in a film? You don't know when You don't know when this film set? This film could be set in 1990 and then she'd be right to play my mom in a film. Mama made me a fucking 19. 1:02:38 So yeah, I do think she's tall enough to play my mom. Why are you doing this, young actresses? 1:02:43 Speaker 2 Ability to play your mom Exactly. 1:02:48 Speaker 1 You said those words you said Billy, but I cannot play your mom. Maybe not at this current moment. Is a great. 1:02:59 Speaker 2 Actress don't say something and then why? And then when I say something back, change the rules I. 1:03:04 Speaker 1 Didn't change the rules. I didn't. I didn't set the. 1:03:07 Speaker 2 Right, I didn't. 1:03:08 Speaker 1 Set any rules? I didn't set any rules to be changed. 1:03:11 Speaker 2 Said that she could play your mum after saying she looks 40. 1:03:17 Speaker 1 And you just assumed, You just assumed she'd be playing my mum right today. No, it'd be set at night as it'd be a period piece. The 90s is considered a period. It was a period in time. It was nearly. It was. 1:03:33 I don't like saying it, but in five years time, the 90s would be 40 years ago. You don't like that idea? I don't like the idea that I'm 35 in two weeks. 1:03:44 Speaker 2 I'm just going to add on to the things that pissed me off and just put you.
LORE! 1:03:53 Recalling Embarrassing College Handshakes and Dance Moves Fuck, do you remember that handshake that we came up in college where we used to miss each other's hand and grab each other's ankles and do a hop? How fucking pathetic was that? Oh my. 1:04:07 Speaker 2 God. 1:04:08 Speaker 1 Who were we trying to impress? Hey ladies, what should we shake hands, going for a handshake, completely miss each other and then grab each other's ankles and then just do a hop? 1:04:24 Speaker 2 Yeah, they just hop a couple of times, yeah. 1:04:27 Speaker 1 Oh fucking shit we must throw like absolute fucking losers yeah oh I've completely forgot about that. I just here's something you can't to my list past cringe memories they. 1:04:42 Speaker 2 Don't make you angry. 1:04:43 Speaker 1 I'm a bit angry at myself for doing that. That was my idea. I conceived that the fucking conceptualist you executed on it executed me an idiot. Did we ever incorporate incorporate that into a fucking dance routine? 1:05:01 Speaker 2 I don't think so. I don't. 1:05:02 Speaker 1 Think we want to put it past us for a bit of law. For any listeners out there, me, me and Jack used to be a part of performing arts. We, we are petite, petite patuk in dance. 1:05:17 We did a, what would you call it, not dance, contemporary dance I guess just moving bullshit to sounds. Not like street dance or whatever. But we occasionally do St. dance if the shooters wanted to do St. dance, I guess. 1:05:34 Speaker 2 Yeah, it was mostly abstract and contemporary work. I. 1:05:38 Speaker 1 Mean Jack weren't the best at it, but we had fun with it trying to come up with our own moves. And one move that I think about it at least once a week is the sea sword. If you remember the sea sword move, it was a it was a lift where. 1:05:54 Remember the name? It was a lift Where? 1:05:58 Speaker 2 Oh no, I do. 1:05:59 Speaker 1 I put my hand on one of your thighs and another hand on your shoulder and you'd lift me up and then as you'd put me back down, I'd do the exact same to you. And we're going to have to like change hands or anything. All our hands are in the right place. And I think the I'd, I don't think we ever did it all right. 1:06:14 So it's like a seesaw, but the person wielding the sword had the person up in the air. I don't think we ever like, sort of like committed enough. Like we should like, do, do a little wiggle while the other one. Yeah. So we thought they were fighting something. But yeah, the sea sword. 1:06:31 And we just came up with our own silly names for, like, lifts and dance moves. Hulk Clap was one of my favorite that we incorporated into a dance. It was really funny. Like we were like everyone, they teamed up, they did their own things for their own projects and shit they did. 1:06:48 They come up with their own lifts and dance moves. But we just thought let's just put silly shit in our dancers and get away with it. Like a big Hulk. Stomp and clap did not read like that. Oh my God, what a fun silly time. 1:07:04 Speaker 2 We got pretty good marks at the end of the year. 1:07:07 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, we didn't really. Well, we didn't do shit. You know, we did better than Shaggy. I don't think you got in trouble with the head of the department, though. Yeah, not. 1:07:16 Speaker 2 Like. 1:07:19 Speaker 1 All right, Kendrick Lamar, you know what's insane about that Not Like Us song? It just dropped on the VR game Beat Sabre. There's no way that. So I'm going to remember when it first came out and we went in that we were in Northern Quarter because Shaggy took us to that place. 1:07:40 It was like, Oh no, we go, it's in here. It wasn't. Oh no, it's here and it wasn't. And then we found it and went, yeah, I always knew it was here. I'm like, why did you take us to the top floor of athletics? Then I thought, that's where we're all going. 1:07:55 Not Like us came on and that's when it first came out. I was like, there's no way, there's no way they play in this like, you know, like a mainstream sort of like club, you know, because it's certified lovable, certified paedophile or in the lyrics and everyone goes wap, wap, wap and everybody cheers for it. 1:08:10 I'm like, I've not I've not bought the track on Beat Saber. I don't know if it's free update or you have to buy it, but I'm like, surely that's not going to be in this sort of mainstream VR block hitting game. It's the most fun part of the song, you know, So I don't. 1:08:28 Speaker 2 Know. 1:08:30 Speaker 1 But yeah, yeah, we're always getting in trouble. Felt bad about that. 1:08:35 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, yeah, felt felt bad about Christopher walking around. 1:08:41 Speaker 1 Always more and more stories more, more stories for another time for the listeners. Juice them up and keep them dangling. The juicy dangler. I don't think anyone's going to get that reference. You know what I'm going to mix up. Can we do a Futurama quote? 1:08:56 Can we do Futurama quotes? I mean, that's just as popular and it's in the same vein. 1:09:00 Speaker 2 I don't think I'm going to be able. 1:09:02 Speaker 1 To you don't have to do Futurama, Am I allowed to do 1? 1:09:05 Speaker 2 Guess. 1:09:06 Speaker 1 It's similar. I don't want, I don't want to go right. Oh yeah, let's do familiarity quotes. Let's do taking quotes. So let's just keep it in the groaning reverse because I really, there's a lot I like from Futurama. The Simpsons quote that was going to not what I was going to do, but I was going to say I was going to do the whole am I sort of touch? 1:09:27 It's the children that are wrong, whatever. But then like 3 Futurama quotes popped into my head. I'm like, they're way funnier and better. So I've been Mike and I'm saying, hey, is there some reason a robot made of wax can't take a nap standing up in the middle of a bunch of wax robots? 1:09:48 What does that confuse you? 1:09:50 Speaker 2 I'm having Jack and you don't win friends with salad. 1:10:05 Speaker 1 The Conceiver.

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