Episode ten:
The Death of Freedom
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Contents
- A Cold Open (0:00)
- Whoa (12:49)
- The price of your art (18:09)
- The Iron Cubist (22:08)
- Not a political podcast (28:17)
- KFT (32:02)
- Abbreviations (37:20)
- W.A.B. (39:07)
- Fire Lord Spencer wages war through occupation and acquisition (40:43)
- Malcolm in the Middle (50:58)
- The RCU (55:16)
- The ice cream tastes fishy (01:00:05)
- Loser takes (01:02:26)
- Would you rathers (01:11:57)
- Pull out a plum (01:18:35)
- Zomboids From The Cube (01:19:58)
- Winding down (01:24:25)
A Cold Open
0:00 |
Speaker 1 Oh, I want to open this drawer you opened A1 handle falls off or some bullshit. But like, because you know you're in a role-playing game as a human character from Earth, you're aware that dice rolls exists. Or maybe he has his own pocket dice that he can manipulate on rolls. |
0:17 |
Something matter around that? |
0:18 |
Speaker 2 Yeah. |
0:20 |
Speaker 1 You could you could work with something like that I reckon. |
0:22 |
Speaker 2 Yeah, like a self-awareness perk or something. Yeah. |
0:26 |
Speaker 1 Or maybe he's a bit of a cheat and he can from some dice rolls every now and again because he's himself has got dice rolls in his pocket and he can constantly, like, look up and go. You could talk, talk to his party members and be like, you didn't roll well on that one, did you? |
0:41 |
And the guy? But what do you mean? You mean roll well, stood right up, mate. The guy's up there. They know. I wonder who's playing me. But no one's playing him. He's playing himself. But it'd be me playing me. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. |
0:59 |
Maybe there's something interested in it, like a meta character who constantly have John Dorian moments. Just look into camera. |
1:12 |
Speaker 2 I wonder then if rather than like say when you're level up, you don't get anything that's like, oh, you, you have more hit points now or you, you get to increase your strength. When? When? |
1:21 |
Speaker 1 You also portions won't heal him because whilst that magic doesn't work on him, he'd have to go through like if he gets caught, he needs to go to hospital, he needs to get stitches, stay off that leg for three to six weeks. Mate, you've got a compound fracture. |
1:39 |
I'm using my healing magic. It's just not working on you. You're not from here. Oh, what an incredibly hard character to play us. You just have to not get hit. |
1:49 |
Speaker 2 Ever. Yeah. |
1:51 |
Speaker 1 Brick falls on your head dead. |
1:53 |
Speaker 2 Oh, like Doctor Seuss? Yeah, like when you level up, I assume that only your cheat skill gets better. |
2:01 |
Speaker 1 Yeah, nothing. |
2:03 |
Speaker 2 Else. |
2:04 |
Speaker 1 Right, you'd have to create an entirely new different like skill set and start block thing for a meta character because obviously they have to be powerful in some way where they can get through the campaign. |
2:19 |
Speaker 2 Yeah, I have seen something like it before, but I can't remember. I can't remember what I saw it on even I did I did see like someone had mapped out like a level by level thing of what? What new thing to be able to do? |
2:30 |
Speaker 1 As a as a human. |
2:32 |
Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just like a normal. |
2:34 |
Speaker 1 Self aware guy who knows is in a tabletop RPG. |
2:38 |
Speaker 2 Yeah, can't remember anything about what it was called. It's going to be a real challenge for me to find out again. But if I do find out, I will send it you. But Oh yeah, here it is. You know what I mean? |
2:49 |
Speaker 1 God Shaggy would never be jamming that campaign. I don't think you'd handle it. I'm making the rest of this character. This character knows is in a game and he doesn't do dice rolls. |
3:04 |
Man how are you fucking playing? I'm just walking around like normal and I see the traps. It gets so pissed off. I can see on the right though. |
3:12 |
Speaker 2 Everything I couldn't touch it into that with is highlighted with like a white glow. |
3:19 |
Speaker 1 Because I got sucked into this world Pacific. |
3:21 |
Speaker 2 Plan No no yellow paint, yellow paint on the side. |
3:27 |
Speaker 1 I didn't get sucked sucked into this world from a tabletop game, I got sucked in from playing Borders Gate. It's like a real Jumanji situation. Modern Jumanji I guess. I've not seen any of the new Jumanjis, have you? |
3:41 |
Speaker 2 Yeah, they're not bad. They're not great. They're not like, oh, this is what cinema's supposed to be. There's. |
3:45 |
Speaker 1 Three of them, right? |
3:46 |
Speaker 2 No, there's only two. |
3:47 |
Speaker 1 Sure, there's three. |
3:49 |
Speaker 2 If there's the third, I haven't seen it. |
3:50 |
Speaker 1 Oh, they might be working on the 3rd, I don't know, but it's insane that the one that came out in the 90s never really got a sequel. Zu Thora exists. I know Zoothora is just more of the same but space. If you ever watch Zoothora. |
4:06 |
Speaker 2 Absolutely no. No. |
4:07 |
Speaker 1 It was basically Jumanji but in space but it was a sequel to Jumanji but like a spin off sequel. Like in this world that exists board games sometimes come to life and cause havoc grandchildren. But Zoothora is not bad. But I never watched Jumanji and Jumanji 2, which is the part I think they did call it. |
4:25 |
Which is annoying to me because like do they make reference to the first film at all? Well, I. |
4:33 |
Speaker 2 Think honestly. Oh, no, they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because in like the start of the first movie, the board game morphs into the game cartridge. I knew you wouldn't. |
4:44 |
Speaker 1 Why would anybody like that? |
4:46 |
Speaker 2 Just transforms, don't it? |
4:48 |
Speaker 1 Because that's what kids are playing these days. Because it's a modern day. |
4:52 |
Speaker 2 Because. |
4:53 |
Speaker 1 Listen. |
4:54 |
Speaker 2 Listen to me because the most accessible film for film, the most accessible game for children in the year when when the remake come out like 2000 fucking 15, the most accessible game system must have been the NES. |
5:12 |
Because of why? Why else would it be a game cartridge? You know what I mean? |
5:17 |
Speaker 1 Because the people who grew up watching Jumanji remember game cartridges. But I'm pretty sure it's not trying to suck in children. Like, can you take the take the cartridge out? Yeah. What if what if you get sucked into this Mega Drive and someone takes the cartridge out? |
5:34 |
What then? |
5:35 |
Speaker 2 Well, you are in the cartridge I suppose, don't you? |
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5:37 Speaker 1 Maybe, but my my issue is with the new versions of Jumanji. You're constantly getting sucked into the world of Jumanji, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The board game The World of Jumanji comes to you, right? It it it populates the real world. 5:53 Speaker 2 Depends on the dice roll. 5:54 Speaker 1 Does depend on the dice roll. There's only one square or one card that Alan Parrish got where he had to get sucked into the into that world for one game. 6:04 Speaker 2 But it was it was for our turn. 6:06 Speaker 1 For our turn, Yeah. But yeah, you're telling me the whole concept of the video game now is everyone constantly gets sucked into Germanja and. And that's that's it. And then you complete the game and then you finish the game, then you come out of the console. Yeah. I don't like that you're taking one one aspect of the original and running with it crazy. 6:23 Like even if it was still a video game, it might be interesting to watch kids play it and complete a level whilst I don't know shit's going on around them. 6:31 Speaker 2 Whilst the lap. 6:33 Speaker 1 White Tiger's trying to monster the ball. 6:34 Speaker 2 Leopard's fucking yeah swiping out. 6:38 Speaker 1 I think, I think there was an offline reference where they were in a tree house and it was Alan Parish's tree house, so. 6:44 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, maybe. I'm not sure on that. 6:46 Speaker 1 And I know the animated series Jumanji, which came in like the 2000 or something where people had weird ads. They constantly went into the board game and they constantly visited Alan Parrish in the board game. 6:57 Speaker 2 So he decided to move back. 6:59 Speaker 1 I don't know what I don't know the Canon about it, but all I all I remember is that there was those two kids constantly would visit Alan Parrish in the board game. I don't know why he's in Jumanji. But yeah. Also like Van Pell is a villain. Does he, does he get referenced in the new ones? 7:16 Because if so, that's dumb. Because to me Van Pelt is. Van Pelt is very much of A pyramid ahead to James Sunderland, to what Van Pelt was to Alan Parish, because he was just his dad, won't it? Like he sort of manifested Van Pelt. 7:31 Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know why. 7:32 Speaker 1 Would he be played by his dad? We. 7:34 Speaker 2 Didn't have to pay another actor, that's why. 7:37 Speaker 1 We just paid him twice for two roles. That's how it works anyway. If you play multiple roles you get paid twice I think. 7:44 Speaker 2 Is that right? 7:45 Speaker 1 I think so, yeah. It's like saying with voice actors, if you do multiple voices and and I make sure you get paid more times, which makes sense because you're in double the work. 7:54 Speaker 2 It makes sense for a voice actor. It makes less sense for a live action role. Because they're not. I don't know. 8:02 Speaker 1 But yeah, but Van Pelt and Alan's dad, they meant to be like the manifestation of like his how, how he hated his dad and he thought his dad was. He could never meet his dad's approval. Like, he was like, fuck my dad. I'm going to put this shoe on this belt and ruin everybody's lives. 8:20 Something like that. This new trainer that had never been invented before. Yeah. Because it was sounding like, though I feel like at the beginning of that film set in the 1800s, because there's a guy come right into like his shoe factory. I've got a new invention. 8:36 It's the trainer. It's it's going to revolutionize thing. And young Alan Paris like fucking goes fuck you trainer and fuck you dad's shoe factory. And then that gets destroyed. And then the poor black guy gets put out of a job. And it became like a racial thing. And then by the time the 90s rolled out, I. 8:53 Speaker 2 Was going to say what would it be like the 60s or the 70s of that? Then the very star was set. 8:58 Speaker 1 I see. So he was about 40 when he came out of it, when he came out of Germangia, which was would have been like say 94. 9:06 Speaker 2 Or like 12 years old when he went in. 9:07 Speaker 1 Yeah. So 30s forties maybe no. 9:11 Speaker 2 The 1930s he's only asking. 9:14 Speaker 1 I can't do. I'm pretty sure I remember, pretty sure I remember a scene with young Alan Parish running through the streets with a hoop and a stake. I don't know how the film starts. 9:23 Speaker 2 It might be actually thinking about it. 9:27 Speaker 1 Also, I don't like how the board game can just go. No one's playing me anymore. I'll be sexy and exciting. A Nintendo, An old Nintendo. Why'd it turn into a bag? Why'd it turn it? It'd be better if it turns into like an arcade cabinet or something. 9:45 I feel like if I found a dusty old console in an attic, I feel like a modern 2000 child wouldn't give a shit about it. I feel like people are raised would go, oh, that's pretty cool. That's, you know, nostalgic, retro or whatever. But I feel like that generation of kids, they won't care about it. 10:02 But I think if you turn into a big arcade cabinet, then, yeah, because that's something you can stand around and all have a look at. It's a big obelisk thing. I think it's a bit more imposing. 10:12 Speaker 2 Also, Yeah, Yeah, true. Yeah. 10:13 Speaker 1 What happened to all the little game pieces? What happened to all the cards? There's no cards. It was that Dome in the middle. But. 10:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, it was that Magic 8 ball thing that was in the middle. 10:21 Speaker 1 I'm thinking of the real world that does give you cards, because there is a real world, Yeah. Pick a card from the real Germania that you can buy from Smith's. Look behind you. There's a fucking clone alligator, the. 10:36 Speaker 2 Clone alligator I. 10:37 Speaker 1 Don't know I I confused it was all animals in jungle base. I was just thinking it was horror themed for a second. Don't look now you're going to turn into a monkey. That's my level of Doctor Zeus rhyming riddled things for a turn. 10:54 Don't. 10:56 Speaker 2 Look, now you are now a monkey. Yeah. I can't, I can't remember what the insurance and outs of it are because I've. I've only seen it the one time. Do you know what I mean? And. 11:07 Speaker 1 You you said there's two of them. You've seen two of them? Yeah, I remember from the trailer. They're in the world of Jumanji, but there's like, helicopters and motorbikes and shit. I'm like, yeah, why is there so much modern shit in Jumanji? Shouldn't Jumanji just be a jungle? 11:20 Speaker 2 It's like time within Jumanji is also progressing at the same rate as the outside world. So like, say these villains that are inside Jumanji, they were very it's like what poachers look like now. 11:36 Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess, but Van Pelt didn't look like a modern day poacher. He just looked like. 11:41 Speaker 2 His dad. 11:42 Speaker 1 He looked like his dad and he also looked like he was from the 19 fucking 20s. 11:45 Speaker 2 Yeah, that's all. Yeah, true. 11:47 Speaker 1 Yeah, that big blunderbuss style. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a I'm a poacher with a big fat dumb hat on. Like I'm in the 1920s and I'm British and I'm taking over a country. 12:05 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, like you said, because he is the manifestation of Alan Parish. I don't know if there was ever like a throwaway line. Like, you know what, Dad? You know what you don't like? You don't. 12:22 Speaker 1 Like God, why don't you just fucking poke me already? 12:26 Speaker 2 God, Dad, what am I? 12:32 Speaker 1 No, instead, like I can't really. I remember the dad being very British. I think he was British, very like sort of snobbying, like I don't know if he was British and I don't think he had a lot of screen time well. |
Whoa
The price of your art
The Iron Cubist
Not a political podcast
KFT
Abbreviations
W.A.B.
Fire Lord Spencer wages war through occupation and acquisition
Malcolm in the Middle
The RCU
55:16 Speaker 2 It though it's by the same guy who created. 55:19 Speaker 1 My name is Earl, sitting in the same world loosely. What earth no like? 55:26 Speaker 2 You know, like not. 55:27 Speaker 1 Earth. 55:29 Speaker 2 No, that's like. 55:29 Speaker 3 Saying like fucking Coronation Street takes. 55:31 Speaker 1 Place in the same world as Markham in the middle or whatever and how that's possible. 55:36 Speaker 2 Though, isn't it? Yeah, but one's absolutely batshit insane and. 55:39 Speaker 1 Crazy shit happens and one's just what's going on in cobbles. I would honestly argue that. 55:45 Speaker 2 That might be the other way around. What? 55:50 Speaker 3 Macro. 55:50 Speaker 1 In the middle set on the cobbles and the other ones match. Insane. 55:55 Speaker 3 One of them is fucking. 55:57 Speaker 2 Ridiculous where something insane happens every week. Yeah, and the other one is set in middle America. Fair enough. 56:05 Speaker 3 But. 56:06 Speaker 1 OK, whatever. For all intense purposes, everything set on planet Earth. Like every every biopic film set in the same fucking universe, it's all the same connected. It's the biopic CU the BCU. 56:24 Speaker 3 The RCU is what I'd call it the. 56:26 Speaker 2 RLCU the reality cinematic universe. I just want it, isn't it? I love that scene in. 56:35 Speaker 1 Bob Dylan? Well, I don't know. Was Elvis arriving? Bob Dylan's time for a bit? Yeah, I think so, Yeah. What about beating Bob Dylan? Where Elvis comes in at the end? Because we're thinking together. We're thinking of putting A-Team together. Jackson wants like the shadows at the end of Elton John. 56:53 I don't know. I can't wait for you. 56:54 Speaker 3 To do an. 56:54 Speaker 1 Impression of Michael. 56:55 Speaker 2 Jackson now he hates his motherfucker. 57:02 Speaker 3 Jackson, Yeah. 57:03 Speaker 2 Obviously he's. 57:04 Speaker 1 Got an eye patch and everything anyway, so Raising Hope is set in the same as continuity as My Name is Earl. Some characters crossover like they're not that far from Camden County where it's that it's another made-up like middle America saw a place and it's got that weird time setting thing. 57:25 Like I think I'm think you did it really well, but you watch My Name is Earl, you're like, is it set in modern times? Because Earl and the people that are surrounded by Earl, they don't really have technology. You know, they see a laptop, they think it's weird, you know, they don't know how it works. They think it's like a, a palm box. 57:41 And like, he goes to buy a book on tape and they go, oh, no, he goes to buy a book and he goes, oh, we got books on tape now. And he's like, oh, sticky tape, you know, whatever. And then the general aesthetics is a very 70s vibe. I don't know, like visually. Same with Raising Hope. 57:57 It's a family. It's, it's just a family and then some kid, young lad is about 1819, he has sex with someone who's on death row. She gets pregnant and then he's got the baby after she's died. So it's a family sort of similar to I, I'd say poorer like a class down than what Malcolm in the Middle's family is. 58:17 But yeah, think about Earl and his family and Joy and all that stuff, that sort of situation. But them all coming together to raise this child, you know, called hope, raising Hope. And it is one of the most charming and nicest shows I've ever seen. 58:33 Like it does make me well up with some episodes because it's so fucking sweet. But it is also fucking funny because it's people who don't have a fuck of what they're doing. Like one of my favorite things in the pilot episode, the main character is he's got a baby, he's in a trolley, whatnot is like, I've never done this before. 58:50 There's two little baby formulas here. Do I get the one with the Chinese baby or do I get the one with the black baby on the bottle? I really don't know what I'm doing. Does it matter? And then obviously the persons like this guy's a fucking idiot, whatever. And I just think that shit's funny because it's just a guy. He's generally trying, but he's just asking the dumbest questions. 59:07 But he's a sweet guy. I fucking love raising Hope. It's great. Also, you get some Earl Easter eggs and they're like what happened after all, finished his list and whatnot. You know, you, you, they'll be they'll be waiting outside a cinema. They'll be My Name is Earl, the movie being made or the Earl Hickey Institute for the Blind, though it's just like stuff that he probably did. 59:26 You know, Jason Lee's in a few episodes, but not as oh, it's just as a different character. But all the characters from my name is oh, cast. I should say the actors are in the show. So like thing is a recurring character. The guy plays Randy, same with Joy. 59:44 She's a recurring character in the show as well. I think the only character that is a crossover character is part of the daytime hooker. She's in both shows as the same character. But no, it's underrated. Not a lot of people have seen it, but I Love Lucy it's. 59:59 Speaker 2 On Disney Plus. I know.The ice cream tastes fishy
Loser takes
Would you rathers
Pull out a plum
Zomboids From The Cube
Winding down